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The Best Trades Not to Make - FEB.27.08

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Sunny Dhillon

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<table width=75% align=center><tr><td><img src="http://cdn.nhl.com/canucks/images/upload/2007/09/sunny_blog.jpg" style="float: left; padding-right: 4px;">Sometimes The Best Trades Are The Ones You Don’t Make

It was hard not to chuckle as Pierre McGuire said it. The Vancouver Canucks were the losers at this year’s trade deadline? Reallllly?

Well, Pierre is a gifted hockey analyst. Sure, the sheer volume of his commentary is enough to set off all the car alarms within an eight-mile radius but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t know what he’s talking about when it comes to deadline day.

This does.

On March 9, 2006, when Canucks GM Dave Nonis acquired Mika Noronen, Sean Brown, Keith Carney and Eric Weinrich, McGuire announced to the TSN audience that Vancouver was his trade deadline winner.

How’d that work out, Pierre?

<img src="http://cdn.nhl.com/canucks/images/upload/2008/02/FEB2708_MikaNoronen_t.jpg" style="float: right; padding-right: 4px;" />Well, Noronen played in 4 games and had a goals-against-average of 3.52. He fled to Russia soon after and hasn’t been seen in these parts ever since.

Brown had zero points and a -3 rating in 12 games. Still, in comparison to the other two blue-liners Vancouver acquired that day, Brown was essentially Bobby Orr.

Carney was a -5 in 18 games. The lasting image of the perpetually slow-footed Carney in a Canucks uniform, at least for me, is of the “defenseman” kicking a puck past Alex Auld into the Vancouver net. Never before and never since has one goal entirely summed up a player’s stay with a given team.

And Weinrich? Well, just by saying his name out loud earlier today I made three young children cry. He was a disaster. His yellow visor must have been made of banana peels because Weinrich slip-slided his way to a -13 rating in 16 games. I actually had to triple-check those numbers to make sure they weren’t worse than I remembered. They were not.

But then again, individual accomplishments might not have been that important because the Canucks made a lengthy playoff run.

What’s that? They didn’t even make the postseason? Reallllly? But Pierre had them as his deadline winner!

<img src="http://cdn.nhl.com/canucks/images/upload/2008/02/FEB2708_PierreMcGuire_t.jpg" style="float: left; padding-right: 4px;" />Such is the problem with trade deadline day.

TV’s talking heads blather on and on about how the teams that didn’t make any moves were the losers and how those who were active magically made themselves better. It’s not that cut and dry.

Despite what some Canucks fans might think, making moves just for the sake of making moves is foolish. So is overpaying just to convince your fans you’re not asleep at the wheel.

Nonis did neither. And by holding on to his key assets, in Kesler, Edler, Bourdon, Schneider, et al, Nonis made Vancouver a trade deadline winner.

Now if you’ll excuse me, I have to go buy a new hearing aid. McGuire blew my last one out.

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Sunny keeps grinding out the gems. Props Sunny D. Props.

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Kesler, Bourdon, Edler, Schenider et al? What is the et al you speak of? As far I'm concerned Pat White and Michael Grabner do not constitute et al. You need more assets to trade before you can make a trade. With that in mind, no one wants what the Canucks have to offer.

Maybe if they started scouting in the WHL/BCHL or their own backyard where they might get inside insight instead of US highschools, they might make out better in the draft. Until then, lets not risk taking a player from Slovenia but instead taking a player from Austria the very next season.

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Kesler, Bourdon, Edler, Schenider et al? What is the et al you speak of? As far I'm concerned Pat White and Michael Grabner do not constitute et al. You need more assets to trade before you can make a trade. With that in mind, no one wants what the Canucks have to offer.

Maybe if they started scouting in the WHL/BCHL or their own backyard where they might get inside insight instead of US highschools, they might make out better in the draft. Until then, lets not risk taking a player from Slovenia but instead taking a player from Austria the very next season.

Et al could include not only White and Grabner, but also Mason Raymond, Jannik Hansen, and the three picks Vancouver will have in the top 90 of this year's deep draft. That's seven assets by my count alone.

But let's face it, sooner or later the idiots always link it back to "OMG, we shuld've drafted Kopitarzzzzz!" don't they?

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Et al could include not only White and Grabner, but also Mason Raymond, Jannik Hansen, and the three picks Vancouver will have in the top 90 of this year's deep draft. That's seven assets by my count alone.

But let's face it, sooner or later the idiots always link it back to "OMG, we shuld've drafted Kopitarzzzzz!" don't they?

Thats right, 3 picks they are going to waste. Jannik Hansen and Mason Raymond? Assets ? What planet do you live on? Stop being a homer and overrating junk prospects. Its a well known fact that Vancouver has one of the shallowest prospect pools in the league. Wow 3 picks in the top 90. So thats 3 picks in the first 3 rounds right? Dont teams normally have 1 pick per round? So that usually gives them 3 picks in the top 90? Right? So that means every team has 3 assets to start with right?

Yeah, please keep making excuses for not drafting Kopitar. OMG WE SHOULDVE DRAFTTTTTED HIM!! OMG WE SHOULVE DRAFTTED PERRRRON!! OMG WE SHOULDVEEE DRAFTTTED MIKE RICAHRDS, COREY PERRY INSTEAD OF RICHAARRRRDS, OMG BURKE SHOULDVE NEVER LET UMBERGEERR GOOO FOR OFFERING SUCH A LOOOWBALLLLLL CONTRACT SHEEEEET!! OMGG!! OMG OUR MOST PRESSSING NEED FOR THE PAST 2 SEASSSONS hAVEEE BEEN A NEEED FORRR ROFFFENSE!! LETSSS DRAFTT PATTRICK WHITE WHO HAS 6 POINTS IN 30 GAMES FOR MINNNESSOOTTTA!!! Can you say Blake Wheeler!?!? BECAUSE I SURE CAN!

You also notice how the "assets" you speak of take quite a dip after you mention Schender, Bourdon, Kesler, Edler and thennnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn the rest of the crap.

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Thats right, 3 picks they are going to waste. Jannik Hansen and Mason Raymond? Assets ? What planet do you live on? Stop being a homer and overrating junk prospects. Its a well known fact that Vancouver has one of the shallowest prospect pools in the league. Wow 3 picks in the top 90. So thats 3 picks in the first 3 rounds right? Dont teams normally have 1 pick per round? So that usually gives them 3 picks in the top 90? Right? So that means every team has 3 assets to start with right?

Yeah, please keep making excuses for not drafting Kopitar. OMG WE SHOULDVE DRAFTTTTTED HIM!! OMG WE SHOULVE DRAFTTED PERRRRON!! OMG WE SHOULDVEEE DRAFTTTED MIKE RICAHRDS, COREY PERRY INSTEAD OF RICHAARRRRDS, OMG BURKE SHOULDVE NEVER LET UMBERGEERR GOOO FOR OFFERING SUCH A LOOOWBALLLLLL CONTRACT SHEEEEET!! OMGG!! OMG OUR MOST PRESSSING

NEED FOR THE PAST 2 SEASSSONS hAVEEE BEEN A NEEED FORRR ROFFFENSE!! LETSSS DRAFTT PATTRICK WHITE WHO HAS 6 POINTS IN 30 GAMES FOR MINNNESSOOTTTA!!! Can you say Blake Wheeler!?!? BECAUSE I SURE CAN!

You also notice how the "assets" you speak of take quite a dip after you mention Schender, Bourdon, Kesler, Edler and thennnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn the rest of the crap.

come back here and terll us different when sakic smyth forsberg and foote are all hurt again. we will be in the playoffs and your team will be golfing. your gm got dinosaurs to come back we have youth with speed to kill our future looks bright your future is heading to the retirement home, bedpans and all and whilst checking on stats (pointless in my mind there is 2 sides of the puck ) check out raymonds yeah the guy you said was crap look at how many points hes had in the last 6-7 games. yeah thats what i thought come back when playoffs start then we will talk

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come back here and terll us different when sakic smyth forsberg and foote are all hurt again. we will be in the playoffs and your team will be golfing. your gm got dinosaurs to come back we have youth with speed to kill our future looks bright your future is heading to the retirement home, bedpans and all and whilst checking on stats (pointless in my mind there is 2 sides of the puck ) check out raymonds yeah the guy you said was crap look at how many points hes had in the last 6-7 games. yeah thats what i thought come back when playoffs start then we will talk

Why dont I come back and talk about how Svatos, Wolski and Tyler friggin arnason lay a 6-2 beating the last time these teams played? Last I checked those are some young players. "Oh but our defence was hurt wah wah wah" Oh but Sakick, Stastny, Smyth didnt play!

Why dont I come and talk about Paul Stastny? The Canucks dont have a player even close to his him in skill, potential and youth. Yeah please compare Mason Raymond et al to what the Avs have. I'll come back when the playoffs start and talk about how the Avs finished ahead of the Canucks in the NW standings homer. MMMMMMMM CANUCKS.... Ahhhhhhhh

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Get a grip on reality.

Arnason is the same guy who wore out his welcome in Chicago and couldn't even crack the postseason roster for Ottawa as recently as 2006. That was after the Sens gave up a second round pick for him and wanted desperately for Arnason to succeed. He couldn't do it. And considering he turns 29 in about two weeks, I'm not sure how any educated person could even bring him up in a discussion of young players, not to mention the fact that he's on pace for only 36 points this year. But then again, it's pretty obvious you're not an educated person.

Wolski has been a major disappointment this season and, barring an unforeseen turnaround, should finish with fewer goals and points than the season before. He's not exactly developing as he should be.

And Svatos is even more injury prone than Vancouver's Lukas Krajicek, as evidenced by his missing 28 games (including playoffs) in 2005-06, and 16 in 2006-07. The fact that he's only missed four so far this season should be a worry for Avs fans: he's due to get crunched into the boards and walk off in tears any second.

As for Stastny? Yes, he's a great player. I can admit that. And the fact that Canucks fans can be objective about something like this when you clearly can't is pretty damning.

But let me guess, you have to get the last word in...

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Get a grip on reality.

Arnason is the same guy who wore out his welcome in Chicago and couldn't even crack the postseason roster for Ottawa as recently as 2006. That was after the Sens gave up a second round pick for him and wanted desperately for Arnason to succeed. He couldn't do it. And considering he turns 29 in about two weeks, I'm not sure how any educated person could even bring him up in a discussion of young players, not to mention the fact that he's on pace for only 36 points this year. But then again, it's pretty obvious you're not an educated person.

Wolski has been a major disappointment this season and, barring an unforeseen turnaround, should finish with fewer goals and points than the season before. He's not exactly developing as he should be.

And Svatos is even more injury prone than Vancouver's Lukas Krajicek, as evidenced by his missing 28 games (including playoffs) in 2005-06, and 16 in 2006-07. The fact that he's only missed four so far this season should be a worry for Avs fans: he's due to get crunched into the boards and walk off in tears any second.

As for Stastny? Yes, he's a great player. I can admit that. And the fact that Canucks fans can be objective about something like this when you clearly can't is pretty damning.

But let me guess, you have to get the last word in...

Yeah you are right, I do need to get the last word. Its funny how you can talk about how Arnason was garbage in Ottawa. You realize that the Vancouver Canucks are the leagues recycling factory right? How many "projects" does AV have where he turns a bad player with potential into a good one? Worked with Anson Carter. Kinda worked with Taylor Pyatt. What about the rest? Brad Isbister is looking pretty damn good eh?

Last time I checked, the only 3 Canucks players with more points then Wolski are Naslund, and the Sedins. I think hes doing ok. Heard of sophmore slumps? Probably not because no Canuck rookie has ever been good enough to even be considered to do well during their sophmore campaign.

Yeah Stastny and Svatos (who I admit is injury prone) are fine players as well.

The point of this argument is that the Avs have a combination of fantastic veterens and really good up and coming players. Its the combination of the 2 that will carry this team far.

With a name like Nazzy4life, I question the kind of fan you are. I suppose you enjoying watching your captain NEEDING to be carried by someone else to excel in this league. A good player carries others around him. thats why a player like Richards or Hossa would be a godsend to the Canucks.

Hossa (yeah he sprained his knee) can create on his own. Same with Richards. But you have to give to get, so Nonis was better standing put since he wouldve had to empty his asset container to aquire either player.

Anyway I'm going to bottomline this for the Canucks fans and reply as an objective nonbiased person. You need to give to get. I think the Canucks window to win it all will be the next 2 seasons. Before the Sedins go to UFA and before Luongo says "The hell with this, i'm tired of being peppered with quality shots and having most games go to shootouts" So this offseason and next, I sure hope that Nonis pushes the chips in to win it all. That means legit secondary scoring. And again you have to give to get so inorder to trade, you know that Bourdon or Edler will be traded if that means they will be able to aquire that scoring. This seasons UFAs dont look promising so hopefully Nonis pulls the trigger on a couple of trades.

Thats all.

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Yeah you are right, I do need to get the last word. Its funny how you can talk about how Arnason was garbage in Ottawa. You realize that the Vancouver Canucks are the leagues recycling factory right? How many "projects" does AV have where he turns a bad player with potential into a good one? Worked with Anson Carter. Kinda worked with Taylor Pyatt. What about the rest? Brad Isbister is looking pretty damn good eh?

Last time I checked, the only 3 Canucks players with more points then Wolski are Naslund, and the Sedins. I think hes doing ok. Heard of sophmore slumps? Probably not because no Canuck rookie has ever been good enough to even be considered to do well during their sophmore campaign.

Yeah Stastny and Svatos (who I admit is injury prone) are fine players as well.

The point of this argument is that the Avs have a combination of fantastic veterens and really good up and coming players. Its the combination of the 2 that will carry this team far.

With a name like Nazzy4life, I question the kind of fan you are. I suppose you enjoying watching your captain NEEDING to be carried by someone else to excel in this league. A good player carries others around him. thats why a player like Richards or Hossa would be a godsend to the Canucks.

Hossa (yeah he sprained his knee) can create on his own. Same with Richards. But you have to give to get, so Nonis was better standing put since he wouldve had to empty his asset container to aquire either player.

Anyway I'm going to bottomline this for the Canucks fans and reply as an objective nonbiased person. You need to give to get. I think the Canucks window to win it all will be the next 2 seasons. Before the Sedins go to UFA and before Luongo says "The hell with this, i'm tired of being peppered with quality shots and having most games go to shootouts" So this offseason and next, I sure hope that Nonis pushes the chips in to win it all. That means legit secondary scoring. And again you have to give to get so inorder to trade, you know that Bourdon or Edler will be traded if that means they will be able to aquire that scoring. This seasons UFAs dont look promising so hopefully Nonis pulls the trigger on a couple of trades.

Thats all.

Let's sift through the idiocy one point at a time. It's more fun that way.

1) Its funny how you can talk about how Arnason was garbage in Ottawa. You realize that the Vancouver Canucks are the leagues recycling factory right? How many "projects" does AV have where he turns a bad player with potential into a good one? Worked with Anson Carter. Kinda worked with Taylor Pyatt. What about the rest? Brad Isbister is looking pretty damn good eh?

A brilliant attempt to change the subject, albeit an unsuccessful one. YOU brought up Tyler Arnason in a discussion of good young players. Then, when your point was completely shot down, you tried to shift the focus onto the Canucks. Very transparent.

2) Last time I checked, the only 3 Canucks players with more points then Wolski are Naslund, and the Sedins. I think hes doing ok. Heard of sophmore slumps? Probably not because no Canuck rookie has ever been good enough to even be considered to do well during their sophmore campaign.

"Sophmore [sic] slump"? I love how anytime a second-year player struggles, that has to be the unquantifiable reason. By the way, Wolski who you praise, and Mason Raymond, who you refute is an asset, have roughly the same points-per-game average since Raymond's recall (Wolski 0.61, Raymond 0.58) despite the fact Wolski plays for a team that is less focused on defense and averages four-and-a-half minutes more of ice time.

3) The point of this argument is that the Avs have a combination of fantastic veterens and really good up and coming players. Its the combination of the 2 that will carry this team far.

Well, first of all, that wasn't the point when you started trolling so claiming it to be the point of the argument now is a bit hollow. Second, you have completely failed to mention how thin Colorado is on the blue line and how Joel Quenneville is the second best head coach in the building on most nights. That doesn't sound like objectivity to me.

4) With a name like Nazzy4life, I question the kind of fan you are. I suppose you enjoying watching your captain NEEDING to be carried by someone else to excel in this league. A good player carries others around him. thats why a player like Richards or Hossa would be a godsend to the Canucks.

You're absolutely right, because when I took this username I signed a contract to waive all objectivity I had in the name of shilling for Markus Naslund. You found me out.

5) Hossa (yeah he sprained his knee) can create on his own. Same with Richards. But you have to give to get, so Nonis was better standing put since he wouldve had to empty his asset container to aquire either player.

I believe that's the point the blogger was making before you started ranting.

6) Anyway I'm going to bottomline this for the Canucks fans and reply as an objective nonbiased person.

It's a little late for that. Any Canucks point you make is clearly subjective and biased, so I won't even address the final paragraph.

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Get a grip on reality.

Arnason is the same guy who wore out his welcome in Chicago and couldn't even crack the postseason roster for Ottawa as recently as 2006. That was after the Sens gave up a second round pick for him and wanted desperately for Arnason to succeed. He couldn't do it. And considering he turns 29 in about two weeks, I'm not sure how any educated person could even bring him up in a discussion of young players, not to mention the fact that he's on pace for only 36 points this year. But then again, it's pretty obvious you're not an educated person.

Wolski has been a major disappointment this season and, barring an unforeseen turnaround, should finish with fewer goals and points than the season before. He's not exactly developing as he should be.

And Svatos is even more injury prone than Vancouver's Lukas Krajicek, as evidenced by his missing 28 games (including playoffs) in 2005-06, and 16 in 2006-07. The fact that he's only missed four so far this season should be a worry for Avs fans: he's due to get crunched into the boards and walk off in tears any second.

As for Stastny? Yes, he's a great player. I can admit that. And the fact that Canucks fans can be objective about something like this when you clearly can't is pretty damning.

But let me guess, you have to get the last word in...

Bang on.

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come back here and terll us different when sakic smyth forsberg and foote are all hurt again. we will be in the playoffs and your team will be golfing. your gm got dinosaurs to come back we have youth with speed to kill our future looks bright your future is heading to the retirement home, bedpans and all and whilst checking on stats (pointless in my mind there is 2 sides of the puck ) check out raymonds yeah the guy you said was crap look at how many points hes had in the last 6-7 games. yeah thats what i thought come back when playoffs start then we will talk

I'm back. I dont know what to say. Mr useless Wolski has looked alright for a player slumping. Yeah Svatos is hurt again so you guys got one of them right. Shannon has looked terrific. So has Edler and Bourdon.

I'm just chuckling because watching that game tonight was just too funny.

After rereading these posts I think the point of my original post was lost in that the Canucks farm/prospect pool is lousy compared to many other teams in the league and I'm sticking with that.

The reference to Tyler Arnason was to reiterate that a second rate Colorado can still lay a beating on the Canucks, not because hes a tremendous prospect. Thats 6 straight for the Avs.

Kesler though looks like a bonafide 3rd liner in the Draper/Maltby mold so power to him. Without him and Burrows carrying the team lately it would be in 10th or 11th. As it stands they are in 9th. Go canucks go!

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