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  1. USA TODAY point predictions for 2017-18 Season

    All things considered its not the worst.... about half the league within 5 points? and Lightning/Panthers/Kings all had significant injuries changing their point totals...
  2. [Waivers] 14 players - Sept. 28, 2017

    Gotta get some of that harri sateri for name reasons alone!
  3. [proposal] acquiring landeskog

    Raymond Ballard and a Second is a way better offer haha. Landeskog, while his stats have hurt because Colorado is awful (you need defencemen that can get you the puck, and can keep the puck out of your own net, to have any real shot at good numbers), he is still a young two way power forward that can score. Any deal for him probably starts with a decent roster defenceman, say Hutton. Add a top end prospect, potentially Lind or Gaudette, and add at least a 2nd round pick. Basically, a not a chance in hell kind of move.
  4. After today's lovely media availability, it has become even clearer that Duchene does not have a future in Colorado (so long as Sakic et. all are there). At the draft they reportedly wanted at least 3 pieces: 1 - Top Pairing Potential NHL Defenceman under 25 2 - High level prospect 3 - 1st round pick Now that has to have come down a little, but Duchene is a hell of a hockey player (and would look great on Horvats Left Side with Boeser on the Right, no offence to Sven). Would you give up this package for it? 1 - Tanev 2 - Brisebois/Subban 3 - Gaudette/Lockwood Now the downside is the risk he doesn't want to resign in Vancouver, because in all likelihood the canucks aren't going to be in the playoffs in his current contract (2 years) and are definitely not going to be contenders in that timeline. Thoughts?
  5. Projecting Horvat, Baertschi, & Granlund from Comparables

    Making a cheeky comment about the current weather in no means conveys, or attempts to convey, any sort of disparaging comment towards the people that are battling the fires. The fact that is what you took out of that baffles me.
  6. Projecting Horvat, Baertschi, & Granlund from Comparables

    65pts for Baer and 60 for Granlund? Holy cow you must be smoking something. I see Baertschi as a replacement level 2nd line player who gets about 50pts/year and Granlund as a 3rd liner who bounces around the 20G 40pt range (unless he sticks with the twins for a couple years and gets the anson carter stat lift lol)
  7. Projecting Horvat, Baertschi, & Granlund from Comparables

    I wish I had the time to look into advanced stats like deployment, corsi, points per 60, etc... but that just wasn't in the cards. Hopefully at some point that can be done. I'm trying to work on a spreadsheet which autopulls full data for players from various websites... but it's a work in progress. Points are an easy place to start, and a easy visible way for fans to compare players. Plus, if we looked at advanced stats everyone would realize horvat isn't actually a two way forward and has had somewhat favorable deployment and is nowhere near a bergeron/kesler esque two way player and more of a Marcus Johansson esque player.... he ranks very low in his CORSI and Fenwick against per 60. This is partially because he is the strongest player on a line that is given assignments outside of what they should have been... but still... anyways not the point. Yes. More stats would be nice.
  8. Happy smoky lung destroying summer everyone! Fully aware there are topics about all three of these players and their upcoming contracts, however I have compiled all the First and Second round forwards from the 2011-2014 drafts and their current contracts so that we can see comparables (so evidently I thought it was worth it's own topic). Here's a link to the sortable google spreadsheet - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JKN7kP3AkJfZoPGcfwfD3cgeCxHtne0gEDcIrgiDirM/edit?usp=sharing And here's a snapshot of the players around Horvat. All of the players below him in pts/gm have singed bridge deals, or in Larkins case are still on their ELC. Above him there are a few ELC's still (deleted to save space), Rakell who throws off the scale by having an extremely Team favorable deal, and Wennberg who will likely get a very similar deal to Horvat. From the comparables, it does seem like Bo is in line for somewhere between 4M-5.5M on a long term deal, although more likely in the mid to upper reaches of that due to the perceived intangibles. Pick # Team Name Pos GP G A P G/GP A/GP P/GP AAV Term 3 Montreal Alex Galchenyuk C 336 89 115 204 0.26 0.34 0.61 $4,900,000.00 3 3 Tampa Bay Jonathan Drouin L 164 29 66 95 0.18 0.40 0.58 $5,500,000.00 6 6 Ottawa Mika Zibanejad C 337 78 110 188 0.23 0.33 0.56 $5,350,000.00 5 14 Columbus Alexander Wennberg C 217 25 94 119 0.12 0.43 0.55 RFA 0 30 Anaheim Rickard Rakell C 236 62 67 129 0.26 0.28 0.55 $3,789,444.00 6 42 Carolina Victor Rask C 242 48 78 126 0.20 0.32 0.52 $4,000,000.00 6 9 Vancouver Bo Horvat C 231 49 68 117 0.21 0.29 0.51 RFA 0 17 San Jose Tomas Hertl C 249 59 65 124 0.24 0.26 0.50 $3,000,000.00 2 5 Carolina Elias Lindholm C 293 48 96 144 0.16 0.33 0.49 $2,700,000.00 2 5 NY Islanders Ryan Strome C 258 45 81 126 0.17 0.31 0.49 $2,500,000.00 2 23 Washington Andre Burakovsky L 196 38 57 95 0.19 0.29 0.48 $3,000,000.00 2 37 Columbus Boone Jenner C 267 73 55 128 0.27 0.21 0.48 $2,900,000.00 2 For Baertschi The only player who got a longer term deal is Couturier, who brings a lot of other skills to the table like faceoffs and penalty killing. If his production remains at the current clip this season, he seems to be in line for a 2-4M dollar deal in the 2-4 year range. 15 NY Rangers J.T. Miller C 278 59 73 132 0.21 0.26 0.47 $2,750,000.00 2 8 Philadelphia Sean Couturier C 416 70 121 191 0.17 0.29 0.46 $4,333,333.00 6 20 Chicago Nick Schmaltz C 61 6 22 28 0.10 0.36 0.46 ELC 3 30 Los Angeles Tanner Pearson L 226 54 49 103 0.24 0.22 0.46 $3,750,000.00 4 13 Calgary Sven Baertschi L 206 43 50 93 0.21 0.24 0.45 $1,850,000.00 2 18 Chicago Teuvo Teravainen F 196 32 54 86 0.16 0.28 0.44 $2,860,000.00 2 1 Edmonton Nail Yakupov R 292 53 67 120 0.18 0.23 0.41 $875,000.00 1 4 Calgary Sam Bennett C 159 31 32 63 0.19 0.20 0.40 RFA 0 27 Tampa Bay Vladislav Namestnikov C 201 33 46 79 0.16 0.23 0.39 $1,937,500.00 2 For granlund the comparables are a little less evident as most of the players similar to him signed similar prove it deals... I'd have to think he gets around the Faksa 2M mark on a multi year (but not long term) deal. 26 Chicago Phillip Danault C 135 17 33 50 0.13 0.24 0.37 $912,500.00 2 45 Calgary Markus Granlund C 171 35 28 63 0.20 0.16 0.37 $900,000.00 2 12 Arizona Brendan Perlini L 57 14 7 21 0.25 0.12 0.37 ELC 3 13 Dallas Radek Faksa C 125 17 28 45 0.14 0.22 0.36 $2,200,000.00 3 55 San Jose Chris Tierney C 202 24 40 64 0.12 0.20 0.32 $735,000.00 1 61 Ottawa Shane Prince L 114 11 25 36 0.10 0.22 0.32 $850,000.00 2 38 Carolina Phil Di Giuseppe L 77 8 16 24 0.10 0.21 0.31 $725,000.00 1 Anyways, hope you guys find this interesting. Flame/reply/whatever away!
  9. Gilman with the best Horvat insight yet

    I find it a curious venture to look at all the players from Horvats draft year and see the production, and subsequent contracts handed out. Didn't have time to delve deep into corsi etc, or first assists vs second assists, but it looks like the best comparable for Horvat (in point progression etc) may be Wennberg who I believe is still an RFA as well. It will be interesting to see who signs first, and if that sets the others value... Also be curious to see what the similar guys coming up for deals next year will get in Lindholm, Domi, Petan. Pick # Team Name Pos GP G A P G/GP A/GP P/GP AAV Term 1 Colorado Nathan MacKinnon C 300 75 131 206 0.25 0.44 0.69 $6,300,000.00 7 6 Calgary Sean Monahan C 319 107 110 217 0.34 0.34 0.68 $6,375,000.00 7 2 Florida Aleksander Barkov C 252 73 98 171 0.29 0.39 0.68 $5,900,000.00 6 12 Phoenix Max Domi C 140 27 63 90 0.19 0.45 0.64 ELC 3 3 Tampa Bay Jonathan Drouin L 164 29 66 95 0.18 0.40 0.58 $5,500,000.00 6 20 Detroit Anthony Mantha R 70 19 20 39 0.27 0.29 0.56 ELC 3 14 Columbus Alexander Wennberg C 217 25 94 119 0.12 0.43 0.55 RFA 0 9 Vancouver Bo Horvat C 231 49 68 117 0.21 0.29 0.51 RFA 0 5 Carolina Elias Lindholm C 293 48 96 144 0.16 0.33 0.49 $2,700,000.00 2 23 Washington Andre Burakovsky L 196 38 57 95 0.19 0.29 0.48 $3,000,000.00 2 27 Columbus Marko Dano C 107 17 25 42 0.16 0.23 0.39 ELC 3 10 Dallas Valeri Nichushkin R 166 23 41 64 0.14 0.25 0.39 RFA 0 55 Montreal Artturi Lehkonen L 73 18 10 28 0.25 0.14 0.38 ELC 3 30 Chicago Ryan Hartman L 84 19 13 32 0.23 0.15 0.38 ELC 3 43 Winnipeg Nicolas Petan C 80 3 16 19 0.04 0.20 0.24 ELC 3 17 Ottawa Curtis Lazar C 180 13 26 39 0.07 0.14 0.22 $950,000.00 1 25 Montreal Michael McCarron R 51 2 5 7 0.04 0.10 0.14 ELC 3 34 Montreal Jacob De La Rose C 64 4 3 7 0.06 0.05 0.11 $725,000.00 1 Either way, looking at this board I could see Horvat getting a 4.5-6M on a 6 or 7 year deal and it would line up with his draft year comparables.
  10. [Proposal] VGK-VAN + NYR-VAN

    Overpayment to vegas? Are you kidding? Theodore is a stud, getting him for that would be a steal. Remember, Vegas chose him over Vatanen or Manson.
  11. [Report] Expansion Draft Deals - Pseudo Confirmed

    But honestly why would you do that instead of taking a flyer on a prospect like shinkaruk or poirier or kulak, and if you lose them to waivers its no loss because they cost you nothing to begin with. Its not like they'll have issues with the 50 contracts limit.
  12. [Report] Expansion Draft Deals - Pseudo Confirmed

    So... can anyone explain why the Knights chose Engelland? Like... anyone? Essentially they looked at the exposed players and said nah, we'll pass.
  13. Just making a list of all the deals 'confirmed', will update over the course of the day as things are announced. Minnesota - Knights take Haula, get Tuch. Unspecified pick in future draft to Minnesota - Russo/McKenzie Anaheim - Knights take Stoner, get Theodore - McKenzie Chicago - Knights take Kruger, get van Riemsdyk - Everyone Columbus - Knights take an agreed player (Karlsson?), get a 1st (24th), Clarksons cap hit and a prospect - Portzline Florida - Knights take Reilly Smith, get Marchessault - McKenzie NYI - Knights take Player X (thought to maybe be Kulemin, now JF Berube), get Grabovski and a 1st (15th) - Staple/McKenzie Tampa Bay - Knights take Garrison, get Sustr, Gusev, and a pick (TBD) - Joe Smith Pittsburgh - Knights take MAF, get pick(s) (TBD) - Lebrun Winnipeg - Pick to Vegas to not pick Enstrom Canadiens: Report that Emelin is selected player Predators: Report is that Neal is the selected player and will be traded immediately Flyers: Report that Bellmare is selected player Rangers: Report that Lindberg is selected player Detroit: Report is that Tomas Nosek is picked. Surprising! Calgary: Why on earth did they take Engelland??? No side deal? Blows my mind! San Jose: Report that Schlemko is selected player Boston: Report that Colin Miller is selected Edmonton: Report that Reinhart is the selected player Vancouver: Report that Rodin or Pedan are chosen. Other trades lead to 10 total picks in 2017/2018/2019 going to vegas - Lebrun Here are the other deals floating around Philly: 2nd Overall to Las Vegas 6th Overall + (MacDonald picked in draft, 15th overall, other) or (Goalie & Defenceman picked in draft) Toronto: Top 4 defenceman (Methot?) picked in expansion draft to Toronto for a good prospect (kapanen?) Canucks:Sekeres Reports canucks have indeed lost Gaunce or Sbisa. Big Surprise. Rick Dhaliwal - Sbisa is the player picked Teams not identified as having deals - Top Players Available (My Pick) Arizona - Domingue, Burmistrov Boston - Colin Miller, Matt Beleskey Calgary - Kulak, Brouwer, Shinkaruk, Poirier Carolina - Lack, Stempkiak, Nordstrom Colorado - Grigorenko, Pickard Dallas - Eakin, Hamhuis, Oleksiak, Nemeth Detroit - Mrazek, Ericsson, Sheahan Edmonton - Brossoit, Reinhart LA - McNabb, Lewis, Clifford, Nolan Montreal - Plekanec, Hudon, Davidson Nashville - Neal, Smith, Wilson, Aberg New Jersey - Cammalleri, Merrill, Loov New York Rangers - Raanta, Grabner, Lindberg, Fast Ottawa - Ryan/Methot Philly - Read, Raffl, Neuvirth San Jose - Boedker, Ward, Martin, Dillon, Schlemko St Louis - Lehtera, Perron, Jaskin Toronto - Leipsic, Rychel, Marchenko, Marincin Vancouver - Sbisa, Gaunce, Pedan Washington - Grubauer, Orpik, Schmidt Winnipeg - Dano, Enstrom, Hutchinson *Updates - Teams/ Pick Number
  14. Rumor Vegas to get 2nd overall from Philly

    I personally don't understand why you all have your panties in a twist... also go complain in some other thread and let this one be what it's supposed to be and discussion about a possible trade of the 2nd overall pick. Look at the previous expansions, the teams have been absolutely ABYSMAL. Atlanta - 2 playoff appearances and a move, Columbus - 3 playoff appearances and no rounds won, Minnesota - 1 conference finals and actually kind of decent, Predators in 20 years 1 conference final, 1 final, The NHL needed to do something so that the Golden Knights are a competitive team right off the bat. Philly didn't have anyone on their not-protected list that was realistically worth protecting anyways, just a collection of 3rd line guys so it won't be about extra protection slots.
  15. Rumor Vegas to get 2nd overall from Philly

    My guess for this deal: To Philly Defenceman (TVR/Miller/Mcnabb), Goalie (Raanta/Mrazek), 6th To Vegas 2nd and Pick MacDonald in the expansion.