Seannnp
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I think rumor has the pieces to work. Beau is quite redundant and likely not someone we are looking to resign. Columbus could use some scoring help as well. We now just need to find a trade partner for Garland and Myers - futures back would be ideal.
Hughes Cole
Soucy Hronek
Hirose Peeke
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8 years 88-90 million for Petey, book it!
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1 hour ago, wai_lai416 said:
not sure why you are using such an extreme case here?? a bodybuilder vs a fat man? so i guess Hoglander is a bodybuilder while the rest of the NHL are fat obese guy that are weak?
and test 2.. if you are running into each other same weight same speed you'll prolly both fall down to the ice? or whoever have the lower center of gravity will stay upright? strength doesn't really factor into a body check? unless you are planning on colliding and follow it up with a forearm.. just coz you are stronger doesn't make you bodycheck harder. strength is important in board battle sure.. but that's not really his role.
also St Louis at the end of the day he put up points.. he's not known for his prowess as a checking bottom 6 player.. which is what hoglander needs to do if he wants to stick in the NHL produce.. if they want checking bottom 6.. they can easily find one that's bigger and be able to do the exact same job.
and no i do play sports i used to play some league soccer.. i'm not the bulky build i'm only 5'10 180lbs.. i had some bulky idiot ran at me and he just bounced right off of me coz i braced for he's probably at best 140-150lbs
Your logic allowed me to use an extreme case and not sure how you missed it but it alludes to strength, something the bodybuilder has and the fat man doesnt.
So youre saying it doesnt matter how strong you are, someone 10-15 lbs heavier is always going to be able to out hit or out muscle you?
also why does Hoglander have to be a checking forward? Hes shown enough that he has the tools, skillset and size to be a top 6 player. He hasnt gotten there but to say that he needs to become a checking forward is awfully short sighted.
I understand stand where youre coming from but your argument doesnt make a lot of sense to me. Strength in every sport matters. Its the reason why they have chinups and bench press at combine events.
Not sure if youre serious about strength not factoring into body checking. Anyone running at me at same speed, same weight and same height is getting laid out if we collide, unless theyre stronger than I am. Were not going to just bounce off each other and fall down.
Youre reaching here. This is devolving into borderline nonsensical. Strength absolutely matters. Id rather have a 5’10 195lb player that can bench 3 plates and leg press 10 plates then 6’1 215lb guy that cant even bench a plate and do 250lbs on the leg press. Youre saying youd rather have the bigger guy? All other things being equal? Id rather have a team full
of the smaller guy then the bigger guy. Strength matters in every sport and it always will. Strength can literally be the difference between failure and success at any level and in any sport.
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3 hours ago, wai_lai416 said:
Again strong means nothing. When you don’t have the size to back it. It’s simple physics.. if 2 players travelling at the same speed collides.. do you think hoglander will come out on top because he’s “stronger”? No he’s going to get sent flying by someone that have 10-15 lbs on him regardless of how strong or not. Momentum is mass x velocity. You don’t need to be strong to have more momentum. Small ppl can be pesky to play against but that doesn’t make them hard to play against and they tend to struggle against equal skilled players with size advantage
Test 1
If i take a 200lb bodybuilder and a 250lb fat man and send them travelling towards each other, Im betting on the 200lb bodybuilder coming out on top. I think your arguments stands on the principles of physics, just doesnt compute when it comes to sports.
Test 2
Two players at 160lb each and 185cm, travelling at 13mph, collide with one another - what happens? They disintegrate? Im willing to bet the stronger guy wins. Strength absolutely means something in hockey. Stronger core, stronger back, stronger legs, you could out muscle bigger guys easy. How do I know? Im 5'11 and 190lbs and when playing basketball, I tend to guard, out of position, the bigger guys on the opposing side. Why? I have extremely strong legs and core. I out muscle them, I out work them, I move better. In soccer, lots of players bigger than I am but I easily hold my own. I didnt use hockey as an example because I dont play hockey.
Boston changed how teams built out their roster after their 2011 win. Then it changed to a speed game. Now its back to size and strength because of Vegas.
Hoglander isnt that small. He's also freakishly strong. Reminds me almost of Martin St. Louis. He also works his butt off. 5'9 and 185-190lbs. Thats not a small winger my friend, that's a refrigerator on skates.
Dont take this the wrong way and with all due respect, im just assuming and possibly making an ass out of myself but it doesnt seem like you play sports. Correct me if im wrong.
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On 7/12/2023 at 8:23 PM, wai_lai416 said:
personally i would have just signed both hoglander and zadina both to a 1 year deal any let them battle it out.. worse case scenario you waive one of them and it gets claimed no harms done. i honestly dont think hoglander makes the team based on he's good enough more so he's not waiver exempt and they dont want to lose him for nothing. hoglander have slightly better offensive stats not by much.. but zadina have better size and he was a great PK back in his junior days. i honestly don't see a future for hoglanders with the canucks.. he's not good enough right now to stick in the top 6.. and he's too small his game doesn't translate well in the bottom 6.. and he can't pk.. small tiny players in this league need to be scoring to have a role
Do you realize hes probably one of the strongest guys on the team despite his size? He may be short, but he definitely isnt small or tiny
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4 hours ago, McBackup said:
No. Age is a factor here as well. But if you recall, we in essence traded our Captain for Hronek, not a capdump winger.
In essence yes but really we traded a 1st and a 2nd. If we had an extra 1st, Horvat really doenst get brought up when it comes to the trade with Detroit. Horvat simply allowed us to keep our first.
Again, Tanev considering his age nets a prospect and a 2nd. Possibly a late 1st if he stays healthy until the TDL and is top 30 or so in defensive metrics. I dont think he gets the haul some are insisting but then again crazier things have happened. That Tanner Jeannot trade still boggles the mind.
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On 7/2/2023 at 10:30 AM, McBackup said:
It doesn’t matter. He’s a shutdown right shot D man who can play solid minutes for you. That is an extremely valuable asset. A team will pay a lot for him as a deadline rental.
What they can get for him depends on what direction Calgary ends up going in, but they aren’t trading him for a negative value asset.
Does he get more than Hronek? Its very unlikely. Likely a 2nd and a prospect.
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Kuzmenko Pettersson Mikhayev
Beuavillier Miller Boeser
Garland Blueger Podkolzin
Pearson Aman Joshua
Hughes Cole
Soucy Hronek
Hirose Myers
Demko
Martin
First Call ups
Hoglander
Wolanin
Woo
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Hughes Cole
Soucy Hronek
Hirose Myers
I think with limited minutes, a calming presence in Hirose as his defense partner, he very well could improve but it will remain difficult to live up to the 6m contract. I hope he sticks around until the TDL so that we can acquire something in return but also not completely against him being traded after his bonus is paid.
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38 minutes ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said:
Whatever - you still haven't pointed out where I said that retention can only happen once.
Gentleman, "we are all canucks" lol, the only thing that matters is that my trade works and we could get Karlsson at close 5m per. Im sure Karlsson has a lot to teach some of our younger guys including Hughes.
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Just now, 6of1_halfdozenofother said:
Nope, it's 50% total for the limit in terms of retention of the player's salary, no matter split between two teams or by the original team. Max retention for Karlsson's contract would be $5.75mil.
amend that proposal then to 5m retained by SJ and 750k by CHI. Little bit easier to swallow for SJ, cap hit increases for use by 750k. Karlsson at 5.75 is still a steal.
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18 hours ago, D.B Cooper said:
We have 2 legit nhl prospects.
Willy and PetterssonThe rest is the biggest bunch of probably nots I’ve ever seen
Id put Johansson in with them as well.
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12 minutes ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said:
A player can only have 50% of their salary cap hit retained in total. This goes over that limit.
I thought it was 1 team could only retain 50% max. Not entirely sure if two teams can retain more combined but i was simply thrown sh*t at the wall to see what stuck lol
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On 6/29/2023 at 9:52 AM, GhostsOf1994 said:
Watch Myers be flipped for Erik Karlsson as he is the hold up on waiving his NMC
Sure I think I can make that work. Hold up, let me cook:
To CHI
3rd round pick (from SJ)
3rd round pick (from Van)
Garland
To SJ
Myers
To VAN
Karlsson retained 1m by CHI and 5.50 by SJ (5m cap hit)
Chicago helps retain $750k on Karlsson and receives two 3rds and Garland who can help get them to the cap floor and fill out the roster
San Jose gets out from half the Karlsson contract retaining 5.50m, receives a replacement that could be moved at the deadline or let his contract expire
Vancouver gets Karlsson at 5m per for 3 more seasons to anchor our 2nd pair whilst Hronek plays top pair with Hughes. We shed
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15 hours ago, Bathgate said:
Is it possible that Woo can be Hughes partner, the stay at home physical half?
I would love to see them try it out
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16 hours ago, flickyoursedin said:
Who would you rather have Hronek or Durzi and 17th overall (ASP or Oliver Moore)? I know Hronek is better than Durzi but is he 17th overall better?
100% Hronek over Druzi and 17th. It fits our timeline better. Moore and ASP are atleast 3-4 years away from making the NHL.
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1 hour ago, Bure_Pavel said:
In my opinion the top 5 team draft performances in 2023 (not in order) were:
Philly
Seattle
Washington (limited picks)
Columbus
Buffalo
They all knocked it out of the park
Id add St. Louis in there as well.
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2 hours ago, HKSR said:
Then there's guys from before... Rathbone, Jurmo, etc.
Dare I say it, but I don't think defensive prospects are the issue anymore. It's centre prospects. We're really thin when it comes to centres now.
2024 PA will take care of that for sure
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2 hours ago, R3aL said:
Might be our best overall D draft of all time? Dont remember a year we took this many D let alone 3 RHD!
Only 1 Winger and hes a BIG BOY
Overall I am pretty happy with our result.
With Tom being the crown Jewel and Hunter being basically like a 2nd round pick
This is what stood out for me in the entire draft is that we got insane value for Hunter. From reports he was easily a 2nd round pick but fell to us in the 3rd. We got our 2nd round selection despite trading away our 2nd for Hronek. Great job.
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37 minutes ago, Warhippy said:
He'd immediately be one of our top blue liners simply based on his age, position and contract.
keep that in mind.
Well when you dont have much outside of Hughes and now Hronek other than prospects that still need to show, everyone with a contract playing for a team in the NHL would be one of our top blueliners.
With that being said, im excited for the future.
Willander
Johansson
Pettersson
Woo
Kudraytsev
Hirose
McWard
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16 hours ago, flickyoursedin said:
We just got one in Hronek. Durzi was just moved for a 2nd round pick. The year before John Marino was moved for peanuts. People become available you just need to be good with cap space and smart with your asset building which we haven’t been lately. Tanking Garlands and Boeser’s value by playing them on the 3rd line and scratching them, then sending Podkolzin and Hoglander to the AHL because they needed more wingers so they spent 4.5 locking up Mikeyev isn’t good cap and asset management. Anyways back to the pick it seems more draft for positional need over BPA but I do like the player and hope it works out but I do think in 5 years time Benson could get you a Willander type player+ more.
Disagree with you here.
Durzi couldnt hold Hronek's jockstrap. Durzi is a border line top 4 defenseman and more suited as a bottom pairing guy.
Mikhayev filled a need for us and was great last season despite playing injured. Hes a mobile, fast skater that can play the PK.
Podk and Hoglander needed more seasoning in the AHL. Improving in development was a concern for management and they addressed it. No more rushing players to the NHL
Willander was BPA on our list at 11. Benson was passed on by 5 other teams before us and 1 after. There is a reason for that. Benson in 5 years even at a ppg star winger will not get you a top pairing RHD that plays 25+ a game and puts up 40-50 points (assuming both reach their ceilings). Point or Marner do not get you Heiskanen, Hughes, Makar, Dahlin, Mcavoy, etc - not 1 for 1 at least. Would you trade Heiskenen for Marner straight across?
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16 hours ago, R3aL said:
Im with you but lets hope for Heiskanen level!
Could you imagine? Hughes and Heiskanen (Willander) as the top pairing duo for us
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16 hours ago, ilduce39 said:
Willander - Juolevi parallels are insane. Guess what, they both also have blonde hair. Oh no!
If it weren't for injuries, Juolevi projected as a top 4 d. He had all the tools to reach his potential but injuries ensured that didn't happen. Hopefully Willander remains injury free and tears it up in North America. We could potentially see him in 1.5-2 yrs playing at 6'1-6'3 and 200+ lbs alongside Hughes.
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3 hours ago, Kobayashi Maru said:
TB makes sense as they are only going for the cup, so they have little time to develop within the NHL squad. Nashville just signed Livingstone and they likely want to offer him mins along with Barrie and maybe Fabbro unless they trade him. It's almost the exact same situation as Bear where there isn't necessarily a lot of room. Foote has the exact fundamentals that we need (Size, speed etc), and we have the flexibility to start him on the 3rd pairing and see if he can evolve into a potential Hughes partner or maybe in case of injury.
If we can get Schenn back maybe he, Gonchar and Foote's dad can all mentor/coach him. If we move Myers early on and sign Tryamkin, Foote and Schenn we could have:
Hughes SchennTryamkin Hronek
Hirose Foote
Would be a nice transition D to see what we have and adjust for the following year. We could also get Schenn, Tryamkin and Foote together for the price of Soucy or a little more.
Soucy over Tryamkin. Never really saw the hype about Tryamkin. He has size but really didnt show much in his short stint here. Would rather go after Soucy for 3m/year or so.
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[Signing] Canucks sign Pius Suter
in Trades, Rumours, Signings
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Aman Blueger Joshua
looks like a pretty good 4th line.