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  1. G, my dude. You seem like good people but you gotta open your mind. Just because we don't have the assets now, doesn't mean we cant get them. Just because were going after a smaller defenseman, doesn't change the direction or makeup of the team that JB wants to achieve. Read his comments on the St. Louis Blues. My dude, just think about it. Take your time. Big things are coming, big things. Hopefully this small thing in Barrie first, but then definitely BIG BIG THINGS regards, SP.
  2. I'd like to address a few concerns on the board Barrie is old - no one wins the cup with a team made up of young guys - just ask Edmonton - (Pietroangelo won his cup in his 11th season) Too much to give up - you don't get 60 point defenseman, especially RHD for throw in's like Sutter, Baertschi, etc. You have to give to get. We wont have a 1st rounder next year - other players on this roster can be traded to recoup a 1st rounder. Tanev, Stetcher, players we may sign as UFA's Barrie is too small - Yes he is, hes also a 60 point defenseman that can push the puck and control the pace of the game and his defensive skills are much better than Risto, Myers, and Gardiner so he'll definitely help us in the 30 or so one-goal games we lost last year We can get Risto - no you cant. Risto would command a Horvat minimum and even if they don't, we don't have the assets to acquire him. Buff is in same position as us I would rather have X - we likely don't have the assets for whatever player you're thinking about Virtanen Neely blah blah - Huge fan of Virtanen but his game wont translate here in Vancouver. If he does become Neely elsewhere doesn't mean he would have here. Different system, different coaches, teammates, playing style etc. Personal opinion he tops out as a Raffi Torres 25/25 guy We need to continue to build through the draft - yes we do, JB has shown he can still pick out talent in later rounds. Draft picks are valuable and can be used to improve the team. We can draft in the top 10 for the next 4 years and turn into the Oilers or start moving those picks for established star players in the league that will help us compete and give the young guys a taste of the playoffs. We're still rebuilding - no we are not, as of this year our rebuild is over. Rebuilds don't consist of drafting 30 players over 10-12 years before you begin to compete. The holes we have in our top 6 and defense will hopefully be addressed this year through our 1st and 2nd round picks and additional assets we may acquire through free agency and trade. 2 top 6 wingers, 1-2 top 4 defenseman But we're a lottery team for another few years - we don't look like a lottery team. These are all players that are trending up or have already established themselves. Add a few free agents and you've put together an admirable team. Pettersson Boeser Horvat Hughes Barrie Edler Tanev Markstrom Demko Woo Juolevi Gaudette Madden 10th OA 40th OA People need to stop stressing so much. We get smaller now but we can get bigger through other moves, we lost a draft pick now but we can recoup a 1st later, etc, etc, etc, etc.
  3. Older? yes More expesnive? more than likely more physical? oh absolutely offensive talent? 25-30 goal scorer on Pettersson's wing btw I am not a fan of Ferland and love Virtanen but Barrie for JV and 2020 1st is not a deal I can pass up. Im confident we get him signed to a long term deal as soon as the trade is announced. He is a local kid and may love the idea of playing for his hometown team.
  4. Most of them are morons. They are expecting more value than Karlsson and Trouba for an inferior player with the same contract status (pending UFA). The 2020 pick is likely in the 15 to 20 range and I put Virtanen slightly ahead of Pionk as a player. Trouba is the better player, so why would we give up more for Barrie?
  5. You add Jett Woo, Olli Juolevi, and Nikita Trymakin to the defense core You add Lucic to the 4th line along with MacEwan - well maybe not this part but the top part for sure
  6. Goldobins cap is minimal. We essentially send no salary back. Pick up 4 years of an underperforming player at 6m cap. The 8th would be the minimum I’m asking for if Im helping them clear 6 m leave my bong out of this
  7. Have you? Good for you! You’re one of the specia ones aren’t you!?
  8. Mutual termination a possibility here? Would allow him to sign anywhere he would like. Maybe Dallas signs him to a 1 year $3-4mill show me contract. Obviously this happens after his bonus is paid out. He's really only leaving 9 million on the table with a mutual termination. If he can recoup 3-4 million elsewhere, its less of a hit. He gets to play where he wants, and MOST IMPORTANTLY we get rid of the contract and can make something happen Goldobin for Lucic and 8thOA 10thOA, Tanev for Barrie and 16thOA Rathbone for Clarkson and 17thOA --> flip 17thOA with additional piece to move up as high as possible within the top 15 Draft - Krebs, Seider, Nehwook Place Clarkson on LTIR after the beginning of the season We can still move Sutter to Anaheim or Florida who I've heard have interest with retention to increase our return We can move Baertschi, Granlund, Spooner, Schaller to whoever will take them or bury them in the minors to clear up the space for Lucic. (Baertschi and Spooner would do it) Sign Brett Connoly as a UFA Sign March Johansson as UFA Sign Anton Stralman as UFA Johansson Pettersson Boeser Pearson Horvat Virtanen Connoly Gaudette Lucic Roussel Beagle Motte Edler Stralman Hughes Barrie Juolevi Stetcher
  9. I amended the trade on another thread It likely is Hutton, Sutter (50%), 2nd in 2020 (1st if Barrie resigns) and a prospect like Rathbone or Lind.
  10. Well last year he went for a 2nd,4th,5th to Fla and returned even less when he went to SJ. Van Barrie Col Hoffman Fla 2nd in 2020 (Van) 4th in 2019 (Van) Sutter (50%) Prospect (Van) Prospect (Col)
  11. Fla is looking to clear space We have space We need a top 4 defenseman Col has a top 4 defenseman Col needs a top 6 winger We don't have a top 6 winger Fla now has space We now have Hoffman We now have Barrie Col now has Hoffman Win Win Win
  12. Soderberg is 34 this year. He could ver well be moved to the 4th line. Dmen play their off side all the time. They could keep Cole and move Zadorov in a package for something else or move him for futures. I get what youre saying, I just don't see where any of there are serious barriers to a potential Barrie trade.
  13. It likely will be for picks and prospects as they make room for Panarin and Bob. Maybe we can swing a 3 way with Col and Fla, Col gets top 6 winger, Van gets top 4 dman, Fla gets a 3c and saves 3.5million in cap space along with 2 picks. To Van Tyson Barrie To Col Mike Hoffman To Fla 2nd in 2020 (Van) 4th in 2019 (Col) Sutter (50%)
  14. Barrie is another shrimp D man that controls the pace of the game, transitions the puck just as well as any dman in the league, can put up 50-60 points and can actually play defense. This is what this team needs imp. I hope this happens.
  15. I could see that happening. I think Florida is in search of a 3c to bolster their center depth. Maybe a 2nd, prospect and Sutter gets it done. We can then flip Hoffman for Barrie and a pick.
  16. I mentioned this on HF Sutter (50%), Hutton, 2nd in 2020 (becomes a 1st if Barrie resigns) - maybe we have to add in a prospect like Lind/Gadjo/Goldy to make it work for Barrie Jost plays 2C along with Kerfoot and Landeskog and Sutter takes on the 3C role. I still believe Sutter is a 20/20 guy when healthy and the best option for 3c at 2.19million. They can select Byram with their 4th and run Byram, Makar, Girard and Timmins as their top 4 along with Hutton and Zadarov as their bottom pairing. I overvalue Hutton and Avs fans likely undervalue him. His true value is likely in between. He is a young two way defenseman that likely hits 35-40 points on an Avs team and can step into the top4 if needed at a sub 4m cap hit. They can trade their 16thOA for Hoffman out of Florida and run him on the top line with MacK and Raatanen.
  17. Ghost is going to be much more expensive than Barrie. Ghost is a year younger and is signed for 3 more years at a measly 4.5 million or thereabouts and Barrie is looking to cash in on his next contract likely around the 7-8 mill range for 6-7 years (he'd be worth it for sure). Ghost has already eclipsed Barries highest point total of 59 points which came last year with his own 65 point season playing on a much less talented team than the Avs.
  18. We can send them futures that they can flip somewhere else for immediate help.
  19. Risto is horrible defensively. Just as bad as Gardiner. Barrie would be awesome on our backend. We don't have exactly have a surplus of 50 point defenseman that can move the puck and control the pace of the game. He's a local kid that has 1 year left on his contract. He's been one of the most productive dmen in the last 7-8 years. People are acting like were going to make the playoffs this year and are looking to make a Cinderella run to the Stanley cup. We have a few years before we can do that and can look to add size later in the year or next year. We have Hughes and Stetcher that are our smaller guys. We can absolutely add Barrie and add 3 defenseman with size once Tanev and Hutton are gone. Who knows Trymakin might come back, we might draft Seider, and we already have our dman version of Jake Virtanen in Jet Woo and don't forget Juolevi likely is close to 6`1-6'2 and 210-215 lbs by the time he becomes a mainstay on this roster. I couldn't think of another defenseman better than Barrie for Hughes to learn from. Whats up with this new infatuation with size? We did this crap after Boston beat us in 2011 and it did nothing for us. A balanced defense core: Hughes Barrie Juolevi Woo Trymakin Stetcher
  20. JB is doing a mighty fine job. I have been patient and could be patient for another two years, but what youre proposing is a lot longer than 2 years. Which fan wants to see a rebuild take 10 years? Why don't you let aquaman worry about his own money. He's in this business and is aware that sometime you need to spend money to make money (playoff revenue) Weaponize the cap - not cash. You still haven't provided any alternatives to obtaining additional assets.
  21. Im with you Heffy. I was just saying I would prefer Gardiner to Risto because of the cost to acquire. Id rather have neither. They cant play defense and that's a concern we need to address this year.
  22. Even if we don't get Byram, we could still get someone like Turcotte, Cozens, or Dach at 6. Otherwise Im good with Podk, Boldy or Krebs. I think this draft is a win for us no matter who we walk away with. The one year we drop all the way to 10th but still get a player that could easily go 4th/5th. We don't need the lottery, the last 3 years the hockey gods have been good to us. Juolevi is going to surprise a lot of people and I think Virtanen finally hits 20/20. Team is starting to come together in a huge way. Now only if we could get an additional 1st and an additional 2nd this year.
  23. Its not, its as bad as Ristolainen but we wouldn't have to give up assets. Ristolainen isn't going to be easy to trade for. You're looking at minimum a 1st and a prospect. Gardiner and Risto are offensive dmen that have below average defensive capabilities. The difference is one we get without giving assets.
  24. how do you propose we fill in all the necessary holes to begin competing? Keep drafting in the top 10 for the next 4 years? Do you want to give up Pettersson, Hughes, Horvat, Boeser, Virtanen, Juolevi or even Woo? Likely not, I know I don't. So how do we add to our roster without giving up anything? We have nothing to give, yet need to plug in a few holes in our lineup. The assets we currently have don't bring in players that will help us compete. Im trying to obtain assets with the one thing we do have...a rich owner. Him spending 10 million this year and helping the team make it to the playoffs 2 years from now instead of 4 = playoff revenues. We either spend 10-15 million in free agency for longer term players or take on 10-15 million in cap for 1-2 years, obtain prospects that will be cost controlled and can help out the team in 1-2 years which will offset the cap expense through playoff revenue. I would urge you to look at this from a business perspective as well.