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1 hour ago, Gurn said:
Still on the team isn't he?
But I'd trade Miller because he won't be very good by the time the Canucks are competing for a cup.
Whether Columbus is closer or not doesn't really matter as much as, does Columbus management think they are close.?
If so they might do it, if not they won't.
Yes- gone at the end of next year, not during the year. Or unlikely to be gone during the year.
2 are on ltir, and Pearson is extremely unlikely to be healthy, yet the team has to plan for both to be back, just in case.
you originally named 5 people to be gone, we might see 1, or if really lucky, 2 gone.
Well of course he's still on the team, how else are we including him in this unrealistic proposal for the 3rd OA.
So youd trade Miller because he wont be very good by the time Canucks are competing for the cup but a less talented team and one that was worse than the Canucks this year are going to consider Miller becuase? They are ready to compete next season? So what you are saying is CLB is likely ready to compete next season but the Canucks aresnt despite CLB not having a 1c or 1g. Makes a lot of sense.
Well yes, i thought that was implied that Pearson and Poolman are on LTIR, unlikely to play this coming season and then off the books. Beauvillier will be traded at the deadline. Its unlikely Myers will still be part of this club at the start of the season.
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57 minutes ago, Gurn said:
Still on the team isn't he?
But I'd trade Miller because he won't be very good by the time the Canucks are competing for a cup.
Whether Columbus is closer or not doesn't really matter as much as, does Columbus management think they are close.?
If so they might do it, if not they won't.
Yes- gone at the end of next year, not during the year. Or unlikely to be gone during the year.
2 are on ltir, and Pearson is extremely unlikely to be healthy, yet the team has to plan for both to be back, just in case.
you originally named 5 people to be gone, we might see 1, or if really lucky, 2 gone.
youre a glass half empty kind of guy arent you?
Wager? I named 5 people, youre position is 2 will be gone if were lucky, ill take the over with atleast 3 gone by end of this upcoming season. $250? $500? $1000?
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14 minutes ago, Gurn said:
If I believe that Miller helps the team win now- then yes I make the trade
This is actually incentive for the Blue Jackets to make the trade.
Hopefully I'll be the Prime Minister of Canada- but that is also unlikely.
So then why arent we keeping Miller? If Miller helps us win now, why are we trading him plus additional assets for someone we dont know is a playoff performer. We're in the same boat as CLB, actually slightly ahead in terms of talent. With the team we have and we had 3OA, youd be okay with trading it for a 29 year old veteran heading into the first year of a 7 year 8 mill contract? Just because you want something, doesnt mean the other team abandons logic to go and make it happen for you.
Provorov = Hronek
Werenski = Hughes
Gaudreau = Kuzmenko
Laine = Boeser
They dont have a Petey yet. They dont have a Demko.
Also, Pearson, Poolman, and Beauvillier are on expiring contracts. Myers is owed 1m in real dollars with a 6m cap hit and is also on an expiring contract. Only player left with term is Garland who despite what some think, is not a negative value contract. So its far more likely that all 5 are gone by year end than you have of becoming prime minister of your neighborhood watch.
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Just now, 6of1_halfdozenofother said:
I don't know if you knew, but you answered your own question in the next paragraph of your post.
The reason why CBJ does this is to get far into the playoffs. The two potential draftees you listed probably won't affect playoff chances much - especially with a coach like Babcock, who will probably bench them in favour of veterans. So if you're CBJ management, what you said in your 2nd paragraph is exactly why you would do that trade.
But would you though? You were bad enough in 2023 that you received a 3rd pick OA. There were no indications late in the year that CLB could be an improved team next year. There are no indications that Babcock is going to come in and turn them around in one off season and they are still missing a bonafide starting NHL goalie. You have some gems in Johnston, Sillinger, Boqvist, Peeke, and Jiricek. To add Fantili or Carlsson to that core would be setting yourself up for the next 10 years as a potential powerhouse.
2023-2024 is a trial year for them. I think if im JK, im keeping that 3rd OA 10/10 times. Nothing short of a massive overpayment convinces me of moving off that pick. Next year, they decide from the makeup of thier team what holes they need to fill, what areas require improvement, etc. I dont think Miller fits thier timeline to compete which likely doesnt open up until thier prospects take the next step. Very unnecessary for them to acquire a player like Miller this year. Keep in mind some great top end centers are potentially available in the next FA class including Schiefele.
If im JK and the Canucks come calling, it would take the following for me to consider
Miller, Hoglander, 11th OA, 2024 unprotected 1st,
for 3rd OA and Boqvist
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Put yourself in the shoes of the Blue Jackets, are any of you trading 3OA for Miller +11 OA when you have the chance to draft Fantili or Carlsson?
Also, what if this trade does happen and we get Carlsson, how do we know if he'll be a playoff performer? We know Miller is definitely made for the playoffs.
Best way forward is to include Miller in the core moving and build around him, Petey, Hronek, Hughes, Kuzmenko, Demko, etc. Look at the construction of the Panthers who were a top 3 team last year, still a playoff team this year and now in the cup finals. 75% of that team is free agents or players acquired through trade to build around Ekblad, Barkov, Bobrovsky.
Addition by subtraction.
Myers, Pearson, Garland, Beauvillier, Poolman will hopefully all be off the books next year. Thats 15 mill in space after paying Petey and Hronek. We will find our stopgap 3c and shore up our entire top 6. Look for the Canucks to make noise in 2024-2025
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11 minutes ago, coryberg said:
Hronek is a RHD, a year younger and will be a RFA.
Provorov is a LHD, is a douche and will be UFA.
crazy how some people forget the minor details! details matter.
Younger, RHD that can play both ends of the ice are a premium. Provorov is a lefty, is older, is a ufa, and has had off-ice issues. The fact that Philly got what they got means LA was desperate and doesnt provide any context to the deal Van made with Det for Hronek.
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2 hours ago, Drakrami said:
Just cause you want him for cheap doesn't distort reality. Half the league would line up to get Lafreniere for a late 1st if that's the cost.
I dont want him at all, especially if it costs a 1st or 2 2nds.
Just cause you've overblown his value, doesn't distort reality. He's on the verge of bust relative to where he was drafted. He's producing at a .4ppg clip in year 3 as a former 1OA and due for a raise this summer. For any team, hes merely a reclamation project. Would you trade pick 20OA-32nd OA for a reclamation project?
I could name 10 teams off the top of my head that wouldnt have the room, the draft capital, the need for such a player, or the appetite to pay what you think he is worth.
Reminds me alot of Kravtsov and Rangers fans expecting at least a 1st after two abysmal seasons with little to no progression. Eventually Kravstov, a top 10 pick just a few years ago went for a 7th and Lockwood.
Now if you explain or clarify why you think hes worth what you claim and why teams would be lining up for him, maybe we can continue an adult discussion with some substance. Otherwise I have nothing further to add.
Have a great day!
You couldnt hear it, but that was the sound of a me dropping the mic.
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On 6/4/2023 at 6:40 AM, Drakrami said:
lol the NYR GM would get fired instantly for a trade like that. Pretty sure teams would line up to trade Lafreniere for a late first or 2x 2nds.
91 points in 216 GP as 1st OA selection 3 years ago? What teams would be lining up to trade a 1st rounder or 2 2nds for this guy? He's very high risk, high reward type. I wouldnt be giving any more than a 2nd rounder or a 3rd with a prospect for Lafreniere.
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On 6/4/2023 at 1:50 PM, flickyoursedin said:
I don’t think Laf is worth that much. A 2nd round pick is in the wheelhouse to what he’s worth especially with him needing and not deserving of the raise he’s getting this summer. To move up from 23 to 11 the price is much more than a 2nd round pick in value.
11th overall and Beauvillier
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23rd, Laf and a 2nd
I’d maybe do that. Honestly though the deep draft the best player in this trade best bet could be that 11th overall pick.
I think that may fall short as well.
11th, 3rd round in 23, Beau, Woo
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23rd, Laf, Schneider or Rights to K. Miller
Package the 23rd, NYR 3rd in 23, Van 3rd in 23,
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16-20 OA
Draft any of Moore, Willander, Honzek, Perreault, Simashev
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On 6/4/2023 at 11:34 AM, Elias Pettersson said:
I don't see us adding any sweeteners to deals, however there is now a possibility of a buyout to free up cap space.
If I had to guess I would say that Beauvillier would be the guy getting bought out. The buyout number is reasonable and frees up almost $2.8 million in cap space this year. We would have a $1.4 million cap hit for next year, so it's not ideal but probably is the best option of the bunch. I don't see any other way to free up almost $3 million in cap space without adding a sweetener. The other option is to try and trade a forward with term for a Dman with term or for a 3C, so money in, money out.
I also think we are keeping our pick at 11. There are lots of options with that pick and we will get a good player...
Myers to be traded post Sept 15 or at the deadline
Beauvillier likely traded at deadline unless a deal can be made for an equivalent 3C. Im certain he has enough value that a buyout isnt required.
Garland, likely traded in 2024-2025 with 2 years remaining on his contract. Maybe retention of 750k or something helps.
Pearson, Poolman both come off the books next year.
This is close to 20m off the books ahead of 2024-2025 season. I think we stay patient and wait till next year. Gives an additional year to the 11OA, Podz, Hog, Woo, Hirose, Pettersson and Johansson to develop and simmer a little more in the AHL/NHL. We then still have Lekerremaki, McWard, Sasson, Karlsson, Raty, and Kurdaytsev who also develop an additional year.
I also think we are keeping pick 11.
2024/2025 Canucks look to do some damage in the playoffs. Next year has to be a year of patience for both the front office and the fans. No knee-jerk reactions or quick thinking moves.
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On 5/14/2023 at 7:13 PM, Sophomore Jinx said:
We also have a lot of "hope so's", "what ifs" and "maybes" on our roster...I'm looking for great things from Woo, Hogz, and Podz too, but am I over the moon about their trajectories for next season? "Eh?"
I really like Hirose though, and Hronek should be great, hopefully OEL and others will step it up next year...."hopefully"
This!!!!
If the following happens
OEL has an amazing and resurgent year. Simple, clean, mistake free game as a Defensive Dman (hope so)
Podk and Hoglander both hit 50 points (what if)
Demko has a Vezina type season (maybe)
Miller and Petey both hit 100 points (maybe)
Raty and Karlsson graduate to the big club (what if)
Boeser becomes a 30/30 guy (hope so)
Joshua and Aman improve over last season (hope so)
Hirose and Woo become dependable 3rd pairing guys who play a simple yet effective defensive game with the odd sprinkle of offense (what if)
I think we are a top 10 team in the league, possibly even atop of the division ahead of VGK and EDM. With that being said, lots of "hope so's", "what if's" and "maybe's"
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On 5/14/2023 at 6:36 PM, Alflives said:
Hirose can be sent down without waivers. Woo needs to make the big club or we will lose him on the waiver wire. I sure hope you’re right and Hirose Woo is a pairing we see here soon. Got to get rid of OEL and Myers.
Hughes ????
OEL Hronek
Hirose Woo
Fill in that spot next to Hughes with Graves and I think thats a decent top 4.
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2 hours ago, Off_The_Schneid! said:
Notables :
#6 Moore
#8 ASP
#10 Simashev
#11 Musty
#12 Brindley
#14 Stenberg
#17 Willander
#21 Dvorsky
#23 Reinbacher
#30 Danielson
#31 Barlow
#32 Yager
#37 Wood
Hes flipped the 5-15 with the 15-30 it seems. Maybe a formatting issue on his computer lol
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On 6/4/2023 at 10:31 AM, J.I.A.H.N said:
Ok Guys, I am having a hard time firming up my top 10
The top 5 is no problem...........but 6 through 10...........???????????
1. Bedard
2. Fantilli
3. Carlsson
4. Michkov
5. Smith
But then
Barlow, Benson, Dvorsky, Reinbacher, ASP.................all confuse me
Especially Benson
Then Danielson and Wood......I am getting just out side of top 10 vibs
Thoughts? Where does Benson fit into this?
Mock Draft: 90% locked for me that the draft plays out similar to this.
1. Bedard (Chi)
2. Fantili (Ana)
3. Carlsson (Clb)
4. Smith (SJ)
5. Reinbacher (Mtl)
6. Leonard (Ari)
7. Dvorsky (Phi)
8. Michkov (Was)
9. Benson (Det)
10. Danielsson (Stl.)
11. Wood (Van)
12. ASP (Ari)
13. Barlow (Buf)
14. Simashev (Pit)
15. Moore (Nsh)
16. Perrault (Cgy)
17. Sale (Det)
18. Yager (Wpg)
19. Willander (Chi)
20. Honzek (Sea)
21-30 (Havent nailed down team needs at this stage of the draft but I see all of these names going at the next 10 spots.
Musty, Cristall, Ritchie, Bonk, But, Gulyayev, Heidt, Dragicevic, Strbak, Stenberg
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20 hours ago, DownUndaCanuck said:
I wonder, does Petey get us 3OA + Peeke straight up?
Carlsson looked good playing with men, he might not be that far off top-6 NHL production. I'm assuming he plays 4th line minutes next year in the NHL straight away, probably ends up scoring a good 30-40 points and then could easily hit a PPG in the year after that, or after that. Can Miller carry the reins as top line center in the meanwhile?
Peeke certainly isn't that good but it'd be nice to have a partner for Hughes. In the short-term we're dreadful but in even 2-3 years time, we could have Leo Carlsson as a big, strong two-way likely 80-90 point center and big physical top pairing RD Peeke alongside Hughes who will only be 26 years old, and we build around him as our captain. Retool slows down a couple of years but that's not a huge rebuild really.
I think CBJ probably have to add seeing how good Petey currently is, maybe throw in their 2nd round pick. It's pretty high so I say we take another defenceman - a guy like Willander, Strbak or Lindstein if they're available. These guys will all surely be a while off the NHL but could easily be future top-4 guys
In that time, we lose the dreadful contracts on the roster and who knows...maybe an OEL buyout is a bit less sour then too...
In as little as a couple of seasons time:
Mikheyev - Carlsson - Kuzmenko
Podkolzin - Miller - Boeser
Hoglander - Raty - Beauvillier
4th line will probably change a lot
Hughes - Peeke
UFA (or Hirose if he does well) - Hronek
OEL? - Willander
I probably wouldnt even trade Petey for 1st OA, let alone 2OA or 3OA.
Draft picks are hopeful, why trade a top line, potentially top 5 center who could be a Selke winner in the near future for prospects that could potentially be as good.
I understand that Bedard has the generational label but I dont even forsee him as being as good as McDavid.
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Love the idea, just dont see the Canucks being that aggressive in FA. I also dont like Bear at 3 per. I think realistically we go for one of Mayfield or Graves but not both, although if we somehow did go for both, we have rebuilt our defense corp in one season with the additions of Hronek, Mayfield and Graves.
Would love to see Podkolzin at center to see what he can do.
Love the two trades to net us 2 2nds. Maybe we can package the 2 2nds for a 1st and try to draft Honzek as well who I absolutely love but is a reach at 11 especially with the players that could still be available to us.
Myers definitely has to be moved.
Incoming players:
Dvosky/Wood/Reinbacher
Honzek
Graves
Outgoing players
Beauvillier
Myers
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21 hours ago, Bure_Pavel said:
I would probably go:
Dvorsky or Reinbacher (very close) Potential for top pair RD partner for Hughes too great to pass up.
Moore or Danielson - Probably best skater in draft and super athletic most recently listed at 188lbs
Wood or Benson - Size and skill combo + very high ceiling
Sale or Barlow - Pro style game + high offensive ceiling
ASP or Willander - Puck moving specialist and plays a smooth calm game from the back end.
Sale is a great skater and owns a toolbox full of tools that you need to succeed in the pros.
I go all on the left. Change Reinbacher to Dvorsky. Go hard after Graves or Gavrikov in FA with the intention of moving Myers through any means necessary.
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On 6/1/2023 at 8:56 AM, eeeeergh said:
this is exactly right
if you have a pick at #11 in this stacked of a draft
and you have a very below average prospect pool
you MUST swing for the fences
take the most boom and bust guy, the one that could become a franchise player if all the stars align and his development goes right
thats zach benson if he falls
I dont think Benson falls that far. I think he goes top 10 for sure despite his size. Too much skill to pass up there. However, between him and Dvorsky, I still go with Dvorsky. We need size in our lineup.
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On 5/31/2023 at 10:44 PM, Pure961089 said:
Who should the Canucks pick if both were available? Dvorsky or Reinbacher.
This would be the hardest decision the Canucks could end up making.
Dvorsky
Reinbacher
Wood
I would be ecstatic with either of these 3. Hopefully 2 of 3 are available at 11. I think I lean towards Dvorsky over Reinbacher here, simply because we could add a top 4 defenseman via trade or free agency over the next two seasons. Also, isnt next years draft supposed to be filled with an excellent defense class?
With that being said and after flip-flopping almost every hour I believe I have my final list of 5 players Id like to draft ranked. Who the hell knows though, this could be different in an hour
Wood (swing for the fences type that could be a force in the NHL with improved skating, not to say its bad now
Dvorsky (size, skill, high motor, high floor, likely tops out as a 2C but thats what we need)
Reinbacher (what weve been missing)
Moore (Potential 2c but high end 3c with great speed)
Danielsson (Does alot of things well)
coming around on Barlow as well who i previously had under DND
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Guys I would like at 11 ranked
Dvorsky
Wood (gives me Bertuzzi vibes)
Reinbacher
Danielsson
ASP
Moore
Willander
Simashev
DND
Cristall
Barlow
Sale
100% gone by 11
Bedard
Fantili
Carlsson
Smith
Michkov
Benson
Leonard
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On 5/24/2023 at 7:31 PM, I.Am.Ironman said:
In hindsight though, Podkolzin dropping out of top 3 was probably warranted. He hasn't performed or shown top 3 prowess.
I think there have been flashes but hes overall just not a top end scorer and never has been. I think the top 3 projection was more of that he does alot of things well without any weaknesses. Hopefully hes able to put it all together this year.
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On 5/22/2023 at 10:31 AM, canuckwings said:
Hmm wonder if that means more teams will pass on him...it's unlikely he'll drop as far as 11 but it's so interesting.
I think he definitely has a chance to drop to 11 now. Podkolzin was similarly ranked top 3 in his draft year, no? Dropped to 10th. Maybe lightning strikes twice and we get Michkov.
Convert Podk to center and run Kuzmenko Podk Michkov in the top 6 when he gets here (pipedream)
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On 5/21/2023 at 8:01 PM, flickyoursedin said:
The Canucks being over the cap maybe a trade down might make sense. Detroit has a plethora of picks thanks to us and we already have a working relationship. What about 11th and Beauvillier for Rasmussen 17th and a 2nd round pick. This saves us 2.46 million in cap space gets a a big 3rd line center that can win faceoffs and the 17th probably still gets you Willander.
I think I would pull the trigger on this if both Wood and Reinbacher were off the board. Willander or Simashev would still be on the board. Dont know much about either, but both seem enticing enough to make this deal.
Theres also a chance a top 10-15 player drops to 17 like Barlow, Danielsson, Moore etc. We get a young top 3c, retain a first, and recoup a 2nd round pick whilst saving 2.5m in cap. I think with Beauvillier, you may even be able to squeeze out an additional 3rd/4th pick given Detroit is moving 6 spots to just outside the top 10.
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Keep 11 OA
Trade or package some of our mid round picks with Garland and/or Beauvillier to get into the early to mid 2nd round.
Sign Graves/Soucy/Gavrikov
Sign 3C
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[3-Way Trade] Blue Jackets acquire Ivan Provorov; Flyers acquire Cal Petersen, Sean Walker, Helge Grans, 2023 1st-round pick, 2024 2nd-round pick, conditional 2024 2nd-round pick; Kings acquire Kevin Connauton, Hayden Hodgson
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You make some good points. I still believe that 1-3 OA are not in play, nor should they be. I also dont think its the appropriate time for CLB to pushing all in with Miller. At the TDL or the offseason makes more sense. The entire upcoming season has nothing but question marks for them given where they finished in the standings. I dont believe that Babcock and Provorov turn them into an automatic playoff or cup contender. However, 2024 off season, if i were JK Id be going after Schiefele, or offer sheet to Sebastain Aho and keeping that 3rd rounder. If they are in fact that close at the end of next season, they wont mind giving up 4 1sts for Aho, especially when Carolina has shown they dont have an appetite to sign big contracts. I dont think anyone including CLB front office think they are a shoe in for the playoffs or able to contend for a cup. I think they are headed in the right direction and the hiring of Bab and Prov are a wait and see. Imagine giving up 3OA for Miller and 11th and then Prov stinks it up and Babcock loses the room in 6 months. JK would be out of a job.
Simply put I believe that the 3rd OA is a pipe dream. If its at all possible, I would do probably pull the trigger and go after Schiefele myself in the offseason. However, I just dont think you trade the chance to draft Fantili who will be ready to go as early as next season or Carlsson who could be ready to step in next year, or d+2.