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  1. I think I would be on board as well but would wait to see if Madden can really be that guy to take on that 3c role. If Madden proves he can be a regular and impactful 3c then I would gladly drive Gaudette to the airport for Wilde. Wilde was actually the dman I was hoping we took with our 2nd or tried to get an additional 2nd to take both him and Woo. We ended up with one of the two I wanted so I was happy. If we can now go out and get Wilde as well, RHD with a big shot and plays a physical game we can stop hoping Trymakin comes back.
  2. Just trying to show that circumstances can change enough to completely take you off a projected path. For anyone to assume that we would have drafted PLD and that still would have left us in a position to draft Pettersson is naïve. Chaos theory provides a hypothetical explanation in the simplest of terms to help others understand that a change to the Canucks organization or personnel would contribute to a different end result (the possibilities are endless). Not sure how this is taking it far...or maybe you just want people to know that youre aware of chaos theory and its understanding of it, not sure how much substance your comment actually provides to this discussion. If you want to refute the plausibility of the butterfly effect or if you think my rationale doesn't apply then please say so. I say this with the utmost respect as well, not trying to discredit you or anything, just wish you would've offered more to continue the discussion. If we hadn't drafted PLD but drafted Matthew Tkachuk, do the Canucks pick 5thOA the following year? If we had traded out 5th for PKS, do the Canucks finish at the bottom of the standings? Since everything, arguably of course, follows a nonlinear path, a deviation from projected and set path alters the destination. The only way we draft Pettersson, other than in a handful of possible scenarios, is by doing what was done to lead us there in the first place including who we drafted, who we traded for, finishing where we did etc.
  3. Less guessing with that situation. I know for a fact we would not have Pettersson or even Hughes if that had happened.
  4. What puts Boldy over Krebs for you? For me its Krebs if he is available at 10 to play with Horvat. I think that the Pettersson line needs en established LW that can come in and have an immediate impact. Outside of Kakko I don't think anyone in the draft will be able to do that. This is where we should be looking at making a splash in free agency this year or next with Panarin, Hall, Kreider all potential free agents. Kreider/Hall Pettersson Boeser Krebs Horvat Virtanen (please god, help Virtanen reach his ceiling) Pearson Gaudette Leivo Roussel Beagle Motte
  5. the butterfly effect is the sensitive dependence on initial conditions in which a small change in one state of a deterministic nonlinear system can result in large differences in a later state. Drafting PLD changes our initial conditions regardless of whether or not he makes the team because the path towards Pettersson, like anything else, remains non-linear. Drafting PLD changes everything for the Canucks so there is no guarantee we draft 5th let alone draft Pettersson. E.g. Columbus drafts Pujuljarvi. Canucks draft PLD. Columbus decides to trade for Duchene from Colorado for Wrenski or something. Colorado no longer needs Makar. Colorado drafts anyone other than Makar. Canucks draft Makar. I hope my rationale translates clearly on the page lol. It seemed to make sense in my head.
  6. I don't completely agree with this. I think Byram has played himself into the top tier alongside Hughes and Kakko but there is definitely a 2nd tier which in my opinion has 4 players who have a stronger skillset than those in that third tier (arguably of course) My rankings based on what I've seen and read. Hughes Kakko Byram Turcotte Dach Podkolzin Cozens Zegras Krebs Boldy Caufield Newhook Soderstrom Broberg Seider
  7. Absolutely agree that Hughes, Juolevi, and Woo are a really good start. If all three end up being top 4 dmen which I am confident will happen then we are only missing a top pairing defenseman with Hutton, Stetcher and Rathbone likely competing for the 5 and 6 spot. In 2020 I would throw as much money as possible at Pietrangelo or Roman Josi who are likely getting between 8-10 million. For AP, who I think is the ideal partner and best fit in the entire league for Hughes, outside of Hedman I would offer 11-12m for 6-7 years. This essentially shores up your blueline. You cant expect your entire team to be drafted players. If that was the case there would be no need for trades and free agency. Hughes Pietrangelo Juolevi Woo Hutton Stetcher
  8. Then its likely you don't get Pettersson. I think I would prefer Pettersson over PLD 10 times out of 10.
  9. Only way hes going to improve his Full house Ace full of Kings (Petey, Bo, Brock and Hughes, Woo) to quad Aces. Realistically hoping for a forward - Newhook, Krebs or Podkolzin for me.
  10. The value difference is not there if the draft plays out according to the rankings. However, if one of Dach, Cozens, Podk or Turcotte fall, then 8 is a much better spot to be then 10. As I mentioned earlier if the 2nd tier is 4-10, at 10 you're sort of stuck with the last guy in the tier whilst at 8 you may have a choice between 2-4 of them.
  11. Because he's a defenseman that sucks at the fine art of defending to be quite honest
  12. That would make Benning smart since he is doing his due diligence. Any GM that takes that offer for Byram, dumba** of the year.
  13. I am fully aware of that and comparatively I have Seider after Byram, Soderstrom and Harley.
  14. Id be willing to throw them a prospect or a pick in 2020 to balance it out. Lets look at how the draft is likely to play out with no surprises keeping in mind, Soderstrom, Broberg, York and Harley are rated higher than Seider, and as well as Sieder has played I don't see him surpassing either of those dmen in the rankings. Hughes Kakko Turcotte - Chicago Kid Dach - Need secondary scoring Cozens - Need everything so Byram could go here as well Byram - Not getting past Detroit but they could take Cozens if Byram is gone Caufield - Buffalo needs goal scorers Krebs - playmaking left wing that plays a similar game to Horvat and would look great playing on the same line Boldy - With Perry, Getzlaf and Kesler on the decline I don't think they move on from a big body smooth skating winger that I believe can play C as well Podkolzin - we shouldn't pass up on him despite the Russian factor. He comes off someone that seems like a big game/playoff performer given his work ethic and skill level Zegras - Philadelphia needs wingers desperately. They have Patrick and Couturier at C and are pretty much set at D Newhook - seems like he would be a great fit with Minnesota Broberg - Florida is set up front and am 100% confident they take dman, likely a smooth skating defenseman like Broberg or Soderstrom Kaliyev - Would be a good fit in Phoenix Lavoie - Don't see how Montreal passes up on him given his local status and playoff performance Harley - York could go here as well but I think Colorado takes a dman either way with their 16th after having addressed their secondary scoring woes with Dach York - Defenseman to Ottawa I think but this is the only pick where I really have no idea who they could take. I see Seider going between 18-20. We could try and trade up higher than 20 as well and ensure we get Seider.
  15. Agree with you here. He was tried with Pettersson last year for some stretches throughout the season but didn't really show what he's doing now. He is playing very well, best I've seen since we traded for him. If we could get the 8thOA from Edmonton for Lucic, we could draft wingers for Horvat and continue playing Eriksson on that 1st line. Eriksson Pettersson Boeser Krebs Horvat Podkolzin
  16. Lucic, 8th OA, 40 OA, Pujuljarvi, Russell for Sutter (50% retained) We take on 12.5million in salary (6.5million off the books in two years). At that time we can figure out what to do with the Lucic contract which would get rid of the remaining 6million. We get 8th for taking on Lucic and Pool for taking on Russell, along with the 2nd for Sutter 50% retained. Edmonton can go ahead and make a splash in free agency. We then trade Goldobin, 38thOA, 40thOA to NYR for 20th OA. NY is only 1 year into their rebuild and would likely like adding two top 4 picks along with a Russian semi-prospect that could still work out for them. 8thOA - Podkolzin/Boldy 10thOA - Krebs/Newhook - Could always trade down to 12-14th and may still have one or both of these available as well if dmen start be taken 20thOA - Seider What could our 1st in 2020, Lind, and Eriksson fetch us in a trade? PK Subban, Mike Hoffman, etc.
  17. Agreed. Was just thinking though, if we were to get 8th OA in a Lucic trade. How many of you would be willing to trade 10th down to select Seider and grab 2 more 2nds? or a 2nd and a 3rd. Seider seems like the real deal and exactly the type of partner we would want with Huges.
  18. Don't want to trade Madden or Gaudette. All the others for the right price could definitely be had.
  19. If we could get the 8th and 10th OA, that would be like winning the draft lottery for me. Podkolzin Newhook/Krebs/Boldy. We absolutely would be set for the next decade. Although prefer Krebs or Newhook ahead of Boldy. Podkolzin Pettersson Boeser Krebs Horvat ???
  20. If the Oilers want to give us Sekera for Sutter (no retention) tell me where to sign. In any scenario, I just don't see Holland giving up a top pick the first few weeks into his job.
  21. Unless we make some major moves I think we are going to be mediocre for at least another year or so as well. Why not give to get and take chance on improving this roster so that we can finally be done with this rebuild. The Lucic deal isn't an ideal situation but I'm sure if a deal were to be had, it would return us approxiomately what I have proposed. Its upto Benning to ensure the cap space is there now, next year, and the year after that. Also his responsibility to ensure the NMC is disqualified. The Lucic deal will take a great deal of planning but I personally would like to see it done. If we cant get the 8th OA, maybe we ask them to add another 3rd round pick (Benning can likely find a gem in the 3rd like Madden) Lucic, Pool, 1st in 2019, 2nd in 2019, 3rd in 2019 for Sutter (50%) and 10th OA
  22. I think a Lucic deal is entirely dependant on us moving out cap space from the current roster. Whether its Eriksson, Sutter, Granlund, moving on from Edler, Tanev, Baertschi. We only do the Lucic deal if we can move 3-6 million in cap space. That would be the precautionary approach that I would take to plan ahead for Petey and Hughes whilst still taking on Lucic and everything that would come with him.
  23. I just don't think they will move those type of assets for the Lucic contract. I think for Holland the 8th OA is a non-starter. They need help in the wings and they could potentially have someone that could end up a mainstay in their lineup the year after next like Boldy or Zegras. Holland would be more ready to add multiple 2nds then to give up a top pick. Maybe that's what needs to be added - and additional pick. Ironically, no one wants to take on the Lucic contract but youre willing to take on Lucic and Sekera (11million). I'm not against it if we could get 8th AND Pool but again I just don't seen the oiler wanting to do it. We want what we want, but that doesn't necessarily equal what Edmonton wants to give up.
  24. The final rankings are still to come out and Newhook could make it to the top 10. Caufield is in the top 5 now because of one tournament. Petey was ranked 7-10, we could've traded down and got an additional asset and I think we tried but eventually we took him with out 5th. Just because Newhook is ranked 10th doesn't necessarily mean he cant go earlier. Maybe he is in the top 8 for all the other teams on thier draft boards despite the rankings which means he wont be available at 10. The move to the 8th give us more options which I think can be huge when you have a tier of players between 6-10 that could go anywhere, otherwise at 10 you get stuck with that last player available in that tier. Hope that made sense. I love Virtanen and definitely would not move him given his improvment. Virtanen has been increasing his output every year and has had an additional year to do so as well. Pujujlarvi has already attained that offensive production without the extra year playing on a team like the Oilers. I think Travis was instrumental in Virtanens development and feel he could be the same for Pool. Do you propose we stay away from Lucic all together or that we try to get more out of this deal? The deal has to work for both sides and Im not willing to leave Pool, moving up two spots and an additional 2nd, which you said yourself could net us a gem (Woo, Madden, etc) just because they wont give us a little more as in my personal opinion I think the value is pretty darn close. We can figure out the waiver thing and cap issues when we get there. I have yet to see any team crumble under the cap. There has always been a way to get the needed cap relief. In our situation taking on an additional 6 million isn't a lot of cap to move. I think the only cap relief deal that was questionable was when Chicago traded away Panarin or something. If we could get Holland to bite on 8th OA and Lucic for whatever, I'm all for it - I just don't think this will happen so I put forward an alternative.