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Just me that was really unimpressed by chychrun last time we played the yotes? Definitely a good player on a good contract, but not a difference maker worth the expected trading price imo.
Maybe if we can dump more cap on them. Something like Boeser, Ferland, Hamonic and Rathbone maybe.
A nice scenario would be for the bruins to empty their prospect pool even more to aquire him and then still get wiped out in the first round.
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9 hours ago, DeNiro said:
Some of the greatest captains in NHL history were quiet unassuming players. That shouldn’t be a knock on him.
Thinking a guy like Miller should be captain simply because he gets pissed off is a poor reason.
His body language is horrible at times and he becomes unraveled and takes bad penalties and turns the puck over when things aren’t going his way. That’s not a captain.
Horvat proved in the St.Louis series why he should be captain. He put the team on his back.
Much like Petey and Boeser he got stale under Green though and needs a fresh start next season under Boudreau. The last couple seasons have been very draining on our guys. A full season with Boudreau with some added speed and skill will make a world of difference for him.
Yes and actually making the playoffs again with a team that can control games.
I agree that Miller is not captain material on a contender - maybe not even a guy you win with, Hirsch might have been right about that for once - and while I don't think Bo is either (at least not this regular season Bo) I also agree 6 mil for a 2C that can do what he does is not an asset you trade. So if things look the same next season it might be a different story, but I don't think they will.
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1 hour ago, N4ZZY said:
Yeah. I don’t think we have to wait very long.
If OEL is out the season is pretty much over. Even if he isn't, that 1st period last night probably sealed our faith anyway.
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2 hours ago, CanucksJay said:
Burroughs would have dropped the gloves if any of his teammates were hit like that.
Pathetic response by the team
Hamonic should earn his paycheck
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2 minutes ago, stawns said:
Miller wouldn't factor into anything because the team won't be able to afford him even if he wanted to stay, which I don't think he does
again, I didn't say that's what they should give BB, I'm saying that's what I would expect a player that does what BB does to be paid.......not BB himself.
I'd say Boeser is a 6 mil player on the right team.Those timely goals can't be learned or coached, it's the kind of contribution every contender needs.
Unfortunately - as I like Boeser - this is not the right team at the moment as we have other more pressing needs and so I agree 6 mil is not worth it for us (nevermind the expected 7 mil+ cap hit on his next contract).
I also believe we have enough snipers on the team (although Boeser would need to be replaced long term), our lack of scoring is more of a depth issue + need more contributions from D.
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1 hour ago, CaptainLinden16 said:
This will be my last attempt. There is an over emphasis on asset management in the dialogues on these forums. Inevitably more than one variable must be considered. Contract term and length are part of that. You have no idea whether or not Miller will be here after his contract expires( if it even gets to that point) neither do I. You assert opinions not facts. The logic is not plain wrong that we likely wont get Miller back in a trade. The odds are heavy against that. I get the sentiment well we should try our best to make it happen. Basic understanding of mathematics and statistics will make it plain that any trade for futures leads to a low probability of obtaining a player like Miller in the future. That doesn't mean its not possible. It is simply improbable. Again, I get the sentiment that something is better than nothing. I am not arguing that every players contract should be allowed to expire without receiving anything return. Its that it is better to make a hockey trade if possible. Not a trade for futures. It wouldn't be difficult to cherry pick draft picks from the last 10 years in the first round and construct a team of high quality NHL players. It also wouldn't be difficult, easier in fact, to construct a team of non-NHL players with 1st round draft picks in the last 10 years. There are 32 teams full of highly skilled professional scouting personnel spending all of their time assessing these players. They don't do it in-between their day jobs at Microsoft or the Subway. That's all they do. They get it wrong a lot. Like a lot a lot...
Here comes the main point. When you have a top 50 player in the NHL, you don't trade them just to manage the cap or their contract length or whatever other asset management technique. They are essentially irreplaceable. The difficulty in obtaining another one is very high. I know that means potentially being a mediocre team as they win you enough games to maybe sneak into the playoffs but not enough to win the cup. That is frustrating. There is no sure fire fix for this. You can't stockpile 7th round picks by trading Matthew Highmore's and 3rd round picks by trading Luke Schenn's and tanking for a 1st overall and guarantee yourself a contender for the cup. You can't asset manage your way to the cup. You have to build a team. You have to get lucky by getting some truely exceptional players. There is no logical formula of getting a McDavid. You might get DiPietro or Diagle instead. Most importantly, everything is obvious in hindsight.
I would argue that truely exceptional players (top 50 in the NHL), unless they are locker room cancers, make younger players better than good coaching makes them better. Nashville became a defensive factory for a long time Weber, Suter, Josi, Ellis, Ekholm, etc...precisely because the younger incoming players had someone to learn from and lookup to. The Sedin's learnt a lot from Naslund, Bertuzzi and Morrison. That experience is unquantifiable. This isn't a video game. They are human beings they have feelings and experience emotion. It's is exciting and intimidating to be on an NHL roster as a young man. You don't just achieve your potential just because the coaching is good. There are many factors that go into it. Winning games also has a significant impact on development. Sports is about confidence. If you are loosing all the time that means you have less of the puck. No matter how good you are, you are not going to play as well as you can under those circumstances. That has a cumulative affect on players. Bad games turn into slumps and slumps into demotions and then you find yourself in Europe...I would argue that there a lot of players that never made it to the NHL that could have great careers under different circumstances. We simply undervalue the human element here. This isn't the stock market, and they are not robots.
Lastly, Miller doesn't need to be traded. I think Alvin is showing that realization as well. If its just a 1st round pick and two B level prospects then its sounds great asset management wise, but its not going to make the team meaningfully better in the future. Again it can, but it is improbable. I am not against a trade. I just don't want low quality. They have to get a significant young player back. Someone already in the NHL. Linden for Bertuzzi and McCabe comes to mind. Two young players with promise already playing the NHL. Yes it was a gamble, but it always had a higher probability of working out as both players were already playing pro-hockey successfully. There was no doubt that they were NHL players. I don't know if a trade like that is available for Miller. If it is then I would hope that they would consider it. Lafreniere and Schnieder comes to mind...Maybe you add something as Lafreniere is a former 1st overall, but its the type of trade that makes sense.
Trading Miller just to manage the asset is nonsense. Keep him and let him help improve the young forwards this team already has. A year is forever in hockey. A lot could change. Boeser could get trade or go down with a career ending injury or whatever else. You never know what is going to happen between now and the end of next season. Heck Miller might score 100 points next season in Vancouver and lead them to a division title. Not likely, but it is possible. hahahahaha that's a joke in the same vain as the certainty of getting a Miller back for a random first round pick which is likely 20-30th overall as only a cup contender is going to want him.
At the next deadline we should trade Miller from a pure asset management perspective if he won't be resigned, but this year you're right, asset management is not an issue. Either we get a deal too good to pass up on, like Laf and Schneider, or we just keep him.
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26 minutes ago, Jester13 said:
Imagine if Allvin trades softies like Dickinson, Poolman, and Pearson to clear cap and then surround guys like Brock with more grit so that he can focus more on scoring.
So what do you mean he is focusing on now?
Not arguing we need more toughness or that Pearson has his flaws, but being soft is not one of them as witnessed by his board play and fights since BB took over.
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Personally I think Hamonic has been pretty awful in the 2 games since coming back. Replacement level, at best. I'll give him some slack as it's a bit of a pattern with him that he needs a few games to get into it - it's also a pattern with him unfortunately that he's on extended leaves making this apparent - but looking at the bright side he might give the team a boost when/if he gets going and if he can stay in the lineup.
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1 hour ago, JM_ said:
sounds like pure speculation and click bait from Frank to me. Rutherford also said Brock is the kind of guy you want to keep, and that there are other possible moves to clear cap that don't include the core players.
Not questioning you and you don't have to dig up a quote - but when did he say that? I like Boeser but see him as a bad fit for what the team needs going forward both regarding cap hit and playing style. So it would surprise me to see JR endorse him as he's more of a final piece you'd like when being an actual contender.
Of course he might have said it to up the trade value ;-)
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2 hours ago, J.I.A.H.N said:
I think JR has wavered just a little from his very first comments, where he said we are too slow................
To para-phrase a little, I think he said something to the effect that "It did not have to be the stars that get moved" to make the necessary moves
I am not sure that is wavering, but to me it had a different tone to it.
I would not be surprised to see Hoglander being the high profile player moved for us...........I think it will be decided after JR has had a chance to talk to Boeser's, Miller's, and Motte's agents and has a chance to see if they fit in to the Cap.
Hoglander, just seems to be the man out with BB. I see him being in the same category as Kasperi Kapanen, where he has talent, but is expendable. I could be wrong!
A trade of Miller or Boeser is possible, but I think a trade of either will have to be a pretty damn good offer to have JR pull the trigger, especially with Miller..............
I see the possibility of trades happening in this order.............
#1. Hoglander
#2. Halak
#3. Motte
#4. Boeser
$5. Miller
Again, with the last 2 having to be Knock your socks off trade offers, not just for the sake of making a trade......
Maybe Poolman or Dickenson gets moved, but I do not see that being of any great return..............more a cap out type of thing
Chaisson, for some darn reason is a BB type guy????? I hate him, but I guess every person has his whipping boy! Dickenson and Chaisson are mine!
Pretty sure trading Hogs would be a mistake. He's an ELC player who had a great rookie season and a not so great sophomore season, so trading him now would be selling low.
It's also quite likely he bounces back next season meaning he'll likely be on an affordable deal as an elite middle six winger in his prime. So the potential loss if trading him now is huge while the risk in keeping him is pretty much zero even if he doesn't bounce back.
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Really important win for the standings - although our hopes are still slim - but the shot count and o zone time tells us exactly where we're at as a team. I.e. a middle team that don't really match up to the top teams although we do have some good players. Also obvious that all 4 laffs lines could keep the puck and create offense in the o zone. I like Motte/Lammiko on the 4th line but we really need 3 lines that can play and Podz and Hogs in current form are not top 6 players.
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8 minutes ago, eeeeergh said:
Podz had a good game yesterday, doubt he and Lammy are scratches
Agree. Think Podz is losing a bit of confidence though, seemed a bit hesitant and also a bit wobbly on his skates yesterday. Had a few good plays, a good scrap and a nice assist though so hopefully that helps. Hogs also needs a some puck luck to gain a little bit more confidence.
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Happy for Tanev so far that he's doing well and no doubt he would have helped us both last season and this one on a reasonable contract.
I'd say the jury's still out on whether letting him walk was the right move or not though. If he misses lots of games and slows down a bit during the last two years of his contract things start to look quite different. He's also not the long term answer for us anyway.
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I think he has problems with his positioning which probably is a thing that could keep him out of the lineup when everyone's healthy and if the games are meaningful down the road as he tends to cause 1-2 high danger scoring chances each game. That said, he does show flashes and for the most part complemented OEL really well. If he could develop into a cheap 2nd pairing D with OEL that would be a huge win.
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My guess is the qualifying offer will never come into play as management has no interest in that cap hit, so he'll either be resigned before the QO needs to be made (he can be right as it's the last year of his deal?) or he'll be traded. I think he'll be traded as he doesn't really fit our needs going forward and haven't really turned out like we hoped. He might bounce back, but at 25 there's equal risk he's more or less peaked already.
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38 minutes ago, DeNiro said:
The Canucks seem to always find a way to kill their own momentum.
Giving up the short handed goal was bad, but Miller taking a lazy slashing penalty that lead to their third goal killed what should have been their time to take over the game.
They need to be better at managing momentum swings in games. After tying it at two they needed to just play a safe smart game and not give the Preds any openings. Once they gave them that powerplay and ultimately the third goal it was over. Nashville took the momentum and the home crowd energy and didn’t look back.
Need to be much smarter on the road in those situations. Sometimes boring hockey is best. And discipline is obviously crucial.
Miller was also the one that caused the shorthanded goal with one of his many turnovers. EP and QH had a few bad giveaways as well, but hard not to see Miller having multiple really bad ones pretty much every game. That will cost. Miller is a really frustrating player. At times he leads the team, scores game winners etc. but just as often he just glides around and makes mistake like last night.
To be creative you need freedom and that involves the odd mistake and turnover, but if you're a leader on the team you gotta make sure you have a positive impact on the game overall. Me for one I'm not interested in Miller's next contract (likely 7 years at 7-8 mil if he stays around PPG).
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23 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said:
Then no deal as he is more valuable on the team.
Agree. I could see why we would consider trading him, but as he's on a good contract and young enough it's a simpler situation vs JT. If there's a really good offer for Garland that makes us better long term without sacrificing too much short term - and ideally for less cap vs Garland - then sure do it, but otherwise we just keep him and continue to enjoy his play.
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3 minutes ago, Coconuts said:
Idk but it's either that or PA for me I suppose?
Thankfully Alf isn't our GM
I like Al, let's try and make that the standard nickname. JR is a cool nickname but JB got really old.
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2 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said:
Thinking, maybe the Rangers don't want to trade Lafreniere or Kakko, because they're both super high draft picked prospects, but they offer this package instead for JT Miller.
RW - Vitali Kravtsov
RD - Braden Schneider
1st (2022)
Does VAN take it?
Very interesting thought.
Depends a bit on what other offers will be available of course, but my initial thought would be no, we'd need a better piece than Kravtsov (although I haven't watched him enough to have a fully educated view on him), otherwise keeping JT makes more sense.
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2 minutes ago, Coconuts said:
It's been an issue all season, and it bleeds into every area of our game. Hughes is phenomenal, but he's one guy, it's not enough.
Yes, D are supposed to defend but if you're being paid 6M+ there needs to be more than just defending. One can point to usage and deployment, but bottom line is OEL and Myers haven't produced enough. Our D as a whole hasn't.
If we want to compete for a playoff spot regularly, let alone contend, this will have to change.
It's not just the D, it's not just the forwards, neither have done enough. But Al will need to address our D sooner than later.
Is Al his nickname now? Good one! Could be confused with the one and only Alf though of course...
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24 minutes ago, -DLC- said:
The thing that bothered me beyond JT not getting the same call (on a play that took the stick out of his hand!) is that the ref didn't put his arm up right away with Johnny....didn't make the call until after the save was made. I know in real time it's much quicker, but still. If you see a call, make it...don't wait to decide what it'll be.
Great footage, thanks!
I see what you mean, but in the end it was the right call and I give the referees the benefit of the doubt here as it was hard to tell in real time.Also while frustrating at times I think that refs taking time to talk things over, doing reviews etc are a good thing as it avoids referees having too much of an impact on games.
Generally I try not to get into the referees too much, very few if any of our games this season have been decided by refs. Last night had a few missed calls both ways, e.g. on the Myers play the Calgary players should have gotten at least one minor penalty. I think the major on Myers but no suspension was the right call, but even those who don't agree should see that it was a stupid play, if you're gonna do a revenge hit you have to make it clean and not borderline dirty or every ref will call you for it.
In the end none of it changed the outcome. Far more frustrated by our PP and OT than refs.
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21 minutes ago, 73 Percent said:
Yeah I didn't like that call. But I felt we were better off with the penalty shot than the PK.
In real time it looked like a bad call, but you could see on the replay that the D got his stick in good over the smurf's stick (the D was schenn iirc).
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5 minutes ago, D-Money said:
The Flames must have been laughing, it was such a garbage play.
Even worse than Myers dumping the puck to make a change last OT.
Hated the turnover by JT, still get mad thinking about it, but man, that other play by Myers was something. Commentators couldn't believe he did that and could hardly come up with anything to say!
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12 minutes ago, D.B Cooper said:
We are 7 points out of a playoff spot, with teams ahead of us having games in hand.
We are going to have a super crammed schedule making up for all those postponed games.
We have to win like crazy, while hoping everyone else loses.
Optimism is fun and all, but why go out of your way to ignore reality?
What is wrong with having fun just watching no expectation hockey?
We probably will trade JT
We aren’t making the playoffs.
The pre Bruce era this season blew it.
We were so bad the season was over before it barely started.
Let’s just accept that and have fun watching the boys try to improve.
I agree with most with what you wrote bug guess for myself and many others the playoff hope is part of the fun.
While we are a longshot to make it, we do have an easy schedule remaining and the last 10 games have been against elite teams and with a depleted roster. So I think there's still room for hope and also the hockey usually turns pretty bad quickly once a team is really out of it.
I think we need to be sellers this year regardless, and thankfully front office seems to agree.
But yeah - let's enjoy the games regardless...
[Rumour] Boeser On Block
in Trades, Rumours, Signings
Posted · Edited by J-P
Boeser to the Pens actually makes a lot of sense short term, and maybe short term is where their prio lies. Not sure what the fit from our side would be but Kapanen could be one piece.