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Sorry, but it’s on topic. Someone made a delusional comparison between w karlsson and Leivo and I said that comparison is similar to the delusional comparison between JV and Neely. We are comparing the comparison more than comparing the players, so the continuity is there and therefore it’s on topic.

Sorry but this is a pretty black and white loss for us and win for Tampa. Not much nuances here to dissect.

Nothing to disagree about. This is the exact result of JB’s work broken down. since we can never have a perfect baseline in any comparison, the best we can hope to do is assume that the drafting would have similar results if our team was full of garbage like Schaller, Dorsett, vey compared to icing a team full of UFA’s, waiver wire pick ups, and AHLers. Since you can’t really finish worse than 3rd last, 6th last, and 9th last we will assume the main core is the same. So our main core would be EP, Hughes hopefully, Boeser, Horvat, Myers , and Edler. So that would be the same or similar regardless if we went the dim Jim retard route or the proper rebuild route. So now that has been established, fast forward 5 years later. lets ask the simple question who would help and support our core win a cup better? 27 year old baerschit one concussion away from retiring or 23 year old 2nd round pick drafted pretty high? Dorsett sitting at home drinking beer or a 23 year old 3rd rnd prospect? Mcaan, 22 year old 2nd, 22 year old 3rd or tanner fricking Pearson? go through EVERY Single trade he has ever made with the same question. And it’s 100% safe to say that besides the Burrows and Hansen trades, we would be much better off with what we gave up. Its pretty cut cut and dry. Benning span his wheels for 5 years and saddled us with unmovable garbage like Schaller, Erikkson, and beagle and we didn’t benefit from any of his moves. We would have been much better off with what he traded away than what we got. Not sure if there is anything to disagree with. The comparisons are right there for everyone to plainly see. OP is bang on. That is plain to see for anyone that looks at this realistically and without the Canuck cheerleading poms poms on.

The blind support for our terrible management group burns my bacon.

Man this was a bad trade.....

Bring back Lawrence Gilman? Lol

The sad thing about all of this is that it masks another terrible management decision. If we didn’t burn his first year with a meaningless 10 games we would have him for dirt cheap this season and could have used the 7 million for Nyquist and something else. We burned Hughes first year for no good reason either.

It’s on topic. I compared a delusional view of Leivo with a delusional view of JV.

Exactly this. Shame that benning apologists cannot see through their blinders to see how poorly this franchise is truly being ran. The media criticizes this team because it sucks, not because they are Toronto based and hate Vancouver....

Did we really just trade a fricking 1st and a 3rd for TJ fricking Miller?! Tampa was desperate to dump cap space too. Plus we haven’t even sniffed the playoffs yet. Sorry, but that is just a hilariously bad trade that gets worse the more I think about it. Lol We seriously need to fire Benning before he does something even worse than this trade.

Lol it didn’t work. We would have looked much better with the picks vs the hacks we traded them for. That’s the thing. It didn’t work. Slowed us down considerably.

Lol people overlook it because it’s the only thing you guys have to defend Benning. If you don’t hang on to this false narrative then what we are saying about Benning pissing away assets for hacks is true. the entire defence is based on we needed these hacks to fill the cupboards and shelter our kids. Uh no we didn’t....

Shhhh. These same people still think JV is Bertuzzi or Neely incarnate. That don’t understand these types of concepts.

Don’t bother. Zepp and his crew are hopeless as hell if they seriously felt those useless trades were a necessity....sigh. Lol

Please. No one is suggesting never to make a trade. There is a logical place to make trades. It’s common sense when you are a buyer and need that extra piece to out you over the top, you buy with your assets. And when you lick complete balls like we do, you logically hoard your picks and hang in to all of your assets until they develop. Not sure how you and dim Jim here can’t see we are buying at the wrong time. 5 years of being a crap team should tell you that now isn’t the time to make stupid risky trades like his trades. We aren’t buyers in any sense of the word but only weirdos would support selling assets at our stage. The proof is right there. Benning has just been spinning his wheels for 5 years.

That’s the thing. If we went the Edmonton route we would have been 100% better off. If your route is even WORSE than the Edmonton route. Maybe try changing it...

This is exactly what he should have done though. I see nothing wrong with this. We like have finished the same as we did in the last 5 years with higher picks and ALL of our picks we pissed away intact? Seriously?! What’s the issue here? We should have done this and we would have been much better off if we did. Why defend Benning here? His direction screwed us up plain and simple and no, we didn’t have to follow his stupid route.

How is Dorsett worth the 3rd? The 3rd had a chance to help us towards a cup and Dorsett is long gone with no impact on our cup hopes zero. Not sure how anyone can argue that he was worth it. He is gone and we didn’t even sniff the playoffs once with him in the lineup. Definitely not worth the 3rd. Granlund has been finally kicked to the curb, should have been sooner but definitely needed to happen so .... Vanek should have gotten more than tomatoe juice. Baertschi is an even worse version of the above Dorsett explaination. The 2nd might have been key to our future hopes. Baertschi, not all. How is that worth it?

Benning definitely should get an F in Salary cap management. Way too much money on the bottom 6 and tweeners which directly impacted our ability to sign Nyquist. Huge fail. I can’t wait until he gets fired.

This, and we have given away too many assets for these tweeners. I just hope to god Miller doesn’t end up being one because I am afraid that he might if he regresses enough. And we gave up a fricking 1st and 3rd for him!

No undervaluing here. Too many people overvaluing crap like Baerschi, Leivo, Granlund, motte, leipsic, Prust, Dorsett, and Spooner already, All overvalued by our fanbase. We simply didn’t and never needed them and should have kept our picks instead. I highly doubt Leivo is being undervalued in any way shape or form here. Not at Benning land cdc at least.

You Benning lovers have it all twisted. Nothing confusing about it. We want to rebuild by keeping ALL of our draft picks. Dim Jim traded A LOT of our drafts picks in order to NOT suck for 4 years. But we still sucked despite Bennings best efforts, I guess worst efforts would be more fitting but that is beside the point. So we basically pissed away a crap ton of great picks , great because we finish low so all our picks are high. Its simple. Benning tried not to suck for 4 years by trading away draft picks for overager prospects on the verge of busting and washed up vets in order to not suck, but we still did so we should have kept all of our picks. How hard is that to see? That’s exactly what dim Jim has done for 5 years. Piss away picks for no reason whatsoever. It’s indefensible really. Not sure where people get the he is a good GM crap from because it’s simply not true.

LOL sorry but this is too funny. Crap, I think there is wager opportunity here. I am 500% positive that no one is stupid enough to hire dim Jim after AQ fires him. The question is what type of wager could we possibly make? The TSN Canucks hate is bang on. Do people seriously think we would get ripped by them if our GM was doing a good job? Lol No Canadian team gets ripped except the oilers and us. We all know why the oilers get ripped. But there is a simple reason why we get ripped too. Because we both have terrible management. In fact, the oilers management trained ours.

Lol Turris would be much better than Sutter period. Not sure how you argue that. He doesn’t need to fill Sutters role, he just has to score like he did in Ottawa. Yes he was terrible last year, but that’s the only reason we would be able to get him. Lol otherwise good luck. The last time he was traded his value was duchene, and he is worth much more than our boy Sutter. Tanking Nashville isn’t new. Granlund and Simmonds did too and they are great players. I would love to have either Granlund or Turris replace Sutter and if it happened I know you would be singing a different tune. Not because the performance difference, which I am sure will be plain to see, but because you are an optimist that sees no wrong in any move the Canucks make. Lol

I still can’t believe we gave up a 1st for freaking Miller. Omg. And people are actually defending it. This could turn out worse than the Kessell trade. Much much worse because Kessel was a legitimate point per game type and Miller isn’t even close. Yet the return Tampa got was pretty close. That’s how bad this trade is and was.