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1.) Tanev+3rd to Tampa for Callahan+Foote > Bolts will be moving into a cap crunch after this season. Lots of extensions that will kick into effect and many others to sign. They’re projected to lose Stralman to free agency, their top RHD and after that right side depth thins out. Tanev replaces Stralman allowing them to remain competitive, we take on a cap dump in Callahan who has 1 year remaining and in return get a promising prospect in Cal Foote. We then retain & flip Callahan to any contending team for whatever assets possible. 2.) Seabrook+Jokiharju for 4th > Seabrook’s full NMC, likely the only place he’d waive to leave Chicago would be for his hometown. Hawks get rid of arguably the worst/biggest anchor contract in hockey allowing them to extend key players going forward. Otherwise will remain in the vicious cycle of trading away upcoming players for lesser ones as they have for the past number of years. Blueprint of this deal is from when they traded away Teravainen+Bickell to get cap relief and Bickell’s contract is nothing compared to Seabrook. Canucks get a NHL ready prospect likewise who can bolster the top4 in the future. 3.) Sign Karlsson to $11.5m x 7yrs > Swedish history in Vancouver, track record speaks for itself...Karlsson made the Canucks the only Canadian exception on his NTC list before the Sens dealt him so he’d be open to coming here. This would make EK the highest paid defenceman in the league next to Doughty’s $11m & it’s enticing enough to work especially now having EP who’s the next Swedish superstar. As well as fellow countryman Edler to gel with. Immediate blueline Edler - Karlsson Hughes - Seabrook Jokiharju - Stecher (Hutton, Biega, Sautner) Future blueline Hughes - Karlsson Juolevi - Woo Jokiharju - Foote (Tryamkin, Hutton, Sautner, Brisebois, Chatfield, Seabrook [LTIR?]) ...what I like about this is the future blueline gives us an excess pieces to able to use as ammunition in deals to address other areas of need. There’s more than the 6 dmen spots so there would be a lot of options and competition. Seabrook in the now would give us a great veteran presence and he’s still got some juice left in the tank. With the Canucks soon to climb out of the league standings gutter and into playoff contenders, Seabrook would act as a rock on the back end as someone who’s been there, done that. Karlsson is rather self explanatory. It’s very fortunate that the 7 year term would only take him to age 36 (he turns 29 this year) considering a lot of these long term deals for prime aged players usually takes them closer to age 40 than anything (look at Burns). I really do think something along these lines would finally help round off the blueline which is clearly the organizations weakest point.

Yea yea no ones saying anything about that. I’ll take that as you agree because you’re moving the goal posts from what I originally replied to

Lol I like how you’re making it seem like this is fact when it purely isn’t and something you made up. If you want I can back this up with facts unless you agree.

I don’t think he literally meant between 10-15 overall, but top 10 or top 15 as in 1-10 or 1-15.

Tbf you’re missing the point but just strictly to answer your response, of the 4 times we’ve had top10-15 picks, he’s missed twice (Virtanen, Juolevi) and struck gold twice (EP, Hughes). The other time being outside of that range you mention where he struck gold again with Boeser at 23. ...point being had JB had more ammunition in the past which he dealt away himself, we’d certainly have a couple more top prospects. You can’t downplay the value of these picks “losing your cheese” etc. Literally all it takes is 1 right pick to change the fortunes of a franchise just as EP has done. I get he’s at the top of the draft, but there’s still very effective players you get after as evident by Tryamkin, Gaudette, Madden, etc.

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Very well said, I whole heartedly agree Again, just showing some of the inconsistencies

Again, reread what I said. What does anything I said have to do with Benning drafted Pettersson? You’re not the brightest I take it.

What does that have to do with anything? Delusional. Again like others, read what’s being said.

Hahahaha Thank you for taking the time to easily pick a part this users homer take. I didn’t want to bother with it. Gotta love the winning culture bs which is the exact opposite of what we’ve had as you said the past 3 years. Not like any of that culture has helped our losing butt’s

Yea, glad to see your view point changing and being open to discussion. It was meant for healthy talks anyways. Some homers just see nothing but blue and don’t know what constructive criticism is (ex: puckfather dude who’s just calling me a troll)

Paying for ST’s and wanting the best for the team is trolling now Gotcha.

Yea I mean he can still give input just as Shannahan did for Toronto. Doesn’t mean because he doesn’t have managerial status he won’t have a say. Honestly made this topic for healthy discussion so people can come to realization of things. Appalled by how defensive and attached people were at the beginning of thread that they couldn’t even realize stuff which nearly the rest of league would agree on lol. And it’s not like I’m some random, I am a STH as well. Does it mean I can’t make constructive criticism? Hell no. People that think you have to nod your head are ones that enable bad trends to continue in organizations by not holding them accountable. I’m just stating a relatively fair resolution I’d be in favour of the team making for these (obvious) reasons. There’s literally no harm in doing this, at least not that I can think of atm

Essentially this, other than that I don’t want risk of JB handicapping the team in the future with anymore signings and such so instead of 2/3 more years, make the change now. Keep him for the same reasons as you said, just get a better suited GM in the other aspects.

Bingo. This is what I’m getting at. Not trying to diminish JB, like I said his ability to restock our prospect pool is spectacular but that’s also where it ends for the most part. He doesn’t have any other advantageous GMing traits besides that really and is what this thread is about. So wouldn’t it be better to let him keep running the draft/developmental side of things while someone more suited for the GM role just does that? Seems very logical to me and it’s so the organization gets the best of both worlds...why limit ourselves to just one? Just look at when he publicly said he offered to trade for PK Subban and got fined by the league because it’s against the rules to mention names. He just doesn’t quite know/have the GMing lingo. Baffling to me as how people are misinterpreting this and wouldn’t want such a thing which would be best for everyone. Unfortunate that people are choosing to selectively read one thing and not the other. You’re just as much of a fan if you’re just open and honest about things lol. ^in a nutshell. A 4th thing could be ideology/vision which is unstable to say the least. He/the team keeps flip flopping. Originally wanted to fast track and remain competitive for a few years, wanted to mimic Bruins “meat and potatoes, then realized it’s not the modern game and went to “speed and skill”, then contradicted that by forcefully drafting an injured Virtanen (meat&potatoes) coming off a major red flag concerning procedure, then Linden joined admitted it was a rebuild publicly for the first time in the Benning era to which JB began using, then hit the jackpot with Pettersson this yr and jumped the gun publicly saying he wants to push for a playoff spot lol /all falling under lack of vision and being able to carry through with it. Look at the Leafs, they had their eyes on the prize when rebuilding and didn’t cheat or take any shortcuts and look at where it’s got them. They’re in a great place because of it. So yea, what I said in this thread summed up: > JB pro: drafting > JB cons: everything else about GMing (trades, signings, vision, commitment) > get someone who is better than Jimbo at the cons > keep Jimbo for the pro(prospects), just in a different/special role AKA I’m not saying cut him loose entirely not rocket science

Perhaps u should read instead of assuming

Appreciated. Yep not saying just drafting, but more so the whole package. Wavering in team vision / always jumping the gun, contracts, etc. Would be nice to get a stable presence for a change.

Well a good start would be a GM who can go into a trade without the opposing GM knowing he has the upper hand on. Someone not inexperienced like JB because he’s underwhelming in the trade department which everyone knows.

Yzerman isn’t GM anymore. So yea, as Forsberg said: :]

Thank you haha For those like you who read it which is appreciated, I’m not saying to get rid of Benning entirely. Just at the managerial(GM) level. He can stay as advisor / head scout / hockey ops because obviously his expertise is drafting which we can’t lose out on.

Read the post I explain why he shouldn’t be GM any longer. GMing being, more than just drafting. AKA the trades / assets / signings / team vision aspects.

Yea, there’s nothing wrong with that. How about we get someone to secure as many assets for Benning to draft with as possible. That wouldn’t be a bad idea would it

I’ll take that as you never read what was said and think this is a full out doxing. In which case it isn’t and are like many insecure fans who think of any criticism is an automatic no-no. Lol. All I’m saying is it’s time to hand someone else the keys to the shop all while JB can still work as a mechanic...I’m acknowledging the good he’s done as most fans do. It’s about time we acknowledge the bad - not over 1 or 2 yrs but 5. It’s a bad trend.