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Just now, Alflives said:
You listed some great players. Those were elite guys. Detroit doesn’t have any elite guys now. Their younger guys are not elite. Some are good, but they aren’t elite like Petey, Hughes, Miller, Hronek.
No, they didn't tank out quite as much as we did. They were still too good. Hughes is maybe better than any of their defence players but they have an incredibly insane amount of talent there. It will be one of the best defenses in the league if their prospects progress. They will need more high end forward talent but they will be situated to make a move for that in trade or UFA with their cap space and wealth of assets. Hronek is not really elite though. The other 3 are. Our goaltending looks pretty solid now too.
They probably need at least a couple elite forwards though ... that will be a challenge but the rest they should have covered ... and they will need a goalie but they can be found.
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8 hours ago, canuckwings said:
Yzerman has the support of the owners to do the rebuild properly so that helps.
Despite Yzerman preaching patience to his fans, I think there has to be some pressure for the team to be much better next season - they can't be tanking again. Yzerman is 4 years in and wings haven't made playoffs for 7 seasons. Debrincat basically fell into his lap to make up for some of their bad lottery luck. That's a team I'd be watching more closely next year.
Yeah, when I started watching in the 80's the Wings were one of the worst franchises around. Then Stevie Y, Johhny Ogrodnick (lol), Federov, Konstantinov, Lidstrom, Hasek, Maltby, Probert, Kocur, Hasek, Shanahan, Holmstrom, McCarty, Chelios, Datsyuk, Larionov, Draper, etc., etc., came along and they dominated for about 20 years or whatever it was. As such they are willing and understood a rebuild was needed after all that success. Smart hockey franchise. So yeah Stevie was always getting the time required to do it the right and smart way, and I don't believe he will be pushed into impatience, but I agree the fanbase is probably starting to get a little itchy. They can wait though.
Within the next year to three they should have some of their young players make the leap and make an impact on ELC's. They also have lots of cap space. As long as they don't panic and keep the course steady they should be a very serious contender within 3 years time.
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2 hours ago, IBatch said:
If you like those old guys, the which I watched (not much older than I am) loved watching, the guy to adore is Sakic. He's the guy who's making a case as HHOF builder too. Yzerman in TB, is something completely different than Yzerman in Detroit, because two totally different starts. Sakic, a terrible club, and won a cup six or so years later. So, that's 10 steps ahead and for sure it wasn't just Mckinnon. Clock is ticking on Yzerman. Can he do it next season? Doubt it. And also doubt he's making a contender anytime soon either. Eventually the odds are much greater that his fanbase will decide he's not the guy before that happens. It's just part of the 32 league team we live in now. This isn't TB. As a player sure, 3-4 steps ahead of everyone which made him great, as a GM it's hard to say yet.
As for Hronek, he was smart to tank his team, did 4d chess on that (7-15 down the stretch is bottom of the league stuff).
Will reserve judgement even though I was pretty stoked about Buttons analysis (still am). Because I also thought Schmidt and OEL were decent at the time we got them too (my bad). As far as players we acquired. You could be right. One things for sure, he's where he should be (same as Sakic) so grateful for that.
Sakic is definitely one of my favorite players of all time. Probably top 2 along with Lemieux. As a GM he went from donkey to hero in short order though. Remember the backlash when he first started wheeling and dealing? People were talking about how sometimes great hockey playing doesn't transfer to management. Yzerman is kind of slowly coming along and having some normal setbacks. I really like how he was able to have an objective view this year and make an in-time decision on the fly ... something that's plagued our management teams for a decade now. He saw that they weren't quite there, made some assessments, and then made a decisive move for the future benefit of the team. Clock is ticking on Yzerman but he hasn't come close to his final moves imo. He still has more rope. So refreshing to see him not panic, and just push all his chips in making shortsighted decisions like we seem to do every time there is a bit of pressure.
Yeah, brilliant tank too. We'll see what he does but I think he goes big next year and we'll see if they make it. I think he's got a good chance and a great hockey mind and a contender is definitely in the cards if he keeps up with what he's been doing.
21 minutes ago, zimmy said:I think you have effectively set the other extreme of Gawd’s fanboy take on Yzerman. Neither of you is right but your framing of this topic helps this thread chug along in an entertaining manner.
lol, check my latest one out ...
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1 hour ago, Elias Pettersson said:
Wow, I thought he would get more than that...
Kind of standard on that RFA bridge. I was going to say maybe it's because he doesn't bring the offence ... but I checked and wow 43 points, 9 goals. Absolutely terrific considering the rest of the package he brings.
Wish we had one of those lol.
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7 minutes ago, -Vintage Canuck- said:
AAV: $850K
I think Nashville will surprise a lot of people this year. I bet a lot of people will predict them to be bottom of the conference after the exodus of players but between shrewd signings, and prospects I wouldn't be surprised to see them keep pace in the wildcard race.
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39 minutes ago, stawns said:
Aside from marner, he's their best 200 ft fwd, imo. He's also the best of the bunch in the playoffs too........though that's a pretty low bar
Yup totally agree. He's a playoff performer and one of the best wingers in the league without a doubt. He can fly too, and is the only guy that shows up as good in the playoffs as the regular season.
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13 hours ago, canuck73_3 said:
I wouldn’t take either for the Canucks because we have too many wingers as is. But Nylander>DeBrincat no qiestions asked.
People like to hate the Leafs and call Nylander one dimensional, but he's really rounded out his game the last couple of years.
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Carolina ... hmm surprised they didn't try to get Beauvillier from us for a first. Heard it from a an inside source.
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Newhook probably breaks out there. Montreal building a pretty decent looking team ... and doing it the right way.
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2 hours ago, Ghostsof1915 said:
Bergeron is the straw the stirs the Boston Drink. He hasn't stated if he will hang them up or go for one more year.
Both Toronto and Carolina have to go for it this year, before they really hit a cap wall. (Even if the cap goes up $4 million)
I think some of the usual suspects in the east are heading for a fall, unless they make blockbuster deals.
I'm still puzzled on the direction Detroit is going. One minute they seem in long term rebuild mode. The next minute they are wheeling and dealing.
Yzerman 10 steps ahead of everyone like usual. People here think the Hronek trade was the sign of a rebuild ... more so just re-upping his assets one more time before getting serious. The exact thing we should have been doing while we floundering around the last couple years.
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21 minutes ago, Hairy Kneel said:
This is going to take a miracle. He gets so many opportunities to shoot but can never cash in. He's like hands of stone out there. Goaltenders don't worry when he's shooting. No finish.
not hating
just imho
Yeah I've noticed that as well. Just terrible at finishing so far, He gets tonnes of chances. If he capitalized on just some of them he'd be far more valuable to us.
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3 hours ago, canucklehead44 said:
Its Boston’s first so probably later than 24.
We got offered Theodore & Vatanen as well but took Sbisa
Bonino > Kubalik. Bonino had more points than Kesler the season before and was younger and under contract for just $1.9M
Source?
3 hours ago, Ghostsof1915 said:Is that a reliable source? If Benning said no to Theodore then he's a bigger jackass than I thought.
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8 hours ago, Hairy Kneel said:
Can't take a chance, dreading another ban hammer from the league. If teams want to trade for him in July they can wait till September. Like TB or Vegas could hide him on IR for defensive insurance for the playoffs.
You can try but C.G. is always visible ... just look for the spots.
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14 hours ago, Wolfgang Durst said:
The following two quotes from Doerrie demonstrate that she has excellent hockey expertise. She hit the nail on the head. She's right on the money with her takes.
“Either way you slice it, Steve Yzerman and Joe Sakic are playing 5-D chess, and Jim Benning is gluing macaroni pieces to construction paper,” Doerrie said.
Back in November she also said “Scotty Bowman couldn’t coach that blue line,” in reference to the Canucks defence outside of Quinn Hughes.
I fully get that such a smart and intelligent person isn't a fit with this canucks front office. She deserve way better than being in this organization.
She's and idiot and a media whore imo. Check out her pick for the Canucks.
11. VANCOUVER CANUCKS
Team Pick: Nate Danielson, C | Our Pick: Andrew Cristall, LW
Vancouver’s management has spoken ad nauseam about the need for strong depth in the middle. Danielson fits that mold to a tee, and with Reinbacher off the board, we expect them to take the big center. He put up good numbers in the WHL season, boosted by excellent power-play production. There are concerns about his development curve and inconsistent effort away from the puck. For our pick, we went with the high-ceiling Vancouver boy in Andrew Cristall. His U-18s left a sour taste, but there is no denying his high-end skill and hockey sense. He can be a game-changer at the NHL level, and that’s exactly what the Canucks need. - Rachel Doerrie-
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33 minutes ago, Alflives said:
And McDonough will be 24 in November. He either contributes to the big club this coming season or he’s not an nhl player.
He didn't look any better than Kravstov. AHLer for life if he keeps playing.
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18 hours ago, BigTramFan said:
McDonough might be an NHL player one day, but he won't help CAR right now. And they are in win now mode.
Bang on with everything you said. Also I don't know if people we're watching at the end of last year but McDonough sucked pretty bad. He's slow as molasses and looked far worse than Gaudette. He's a big nothing burger unless he improves vastly from where he left off.
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2 minutes ago, NMHockey said:
You have not been paying attention. Carolina after fully filling out their roster and adding the additional skilled forwards they need will not be cap compliant. The negotiations with extending Pesce have not gone well and it's been reported that Buffalo, Edmonton, Vancouver are three teams with interest in acquiring him. The deal was not just for Beauvillier and Beauvillier not even cracking their lineup is comical...
I'm curious. Who is he booting off the roster and where is he playing? He'd be in the pressbox I would think. Especially if he's not up to speed on Brind'Amour's style.
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17 minutes ago, BigTramFan said:
I think you're wrong on this point. CAR are not in any cap trouble. Pesce is already signed for this upcoming season. And trading a pending UFA top 4 RD for a pending UFA forward that probably can't even crack their lineup doesn't help their chances this season in any way. CAR will likely keep Pesce, he will be the perfect pairing to Orlov.
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7 hours ago, canucklehead44 said:
He was 7th amongst right handed defensemen in even strength ice time in 19-20. Not sure where “7th/8th” defenseman comes from other than his start in Carolina last season where he was coming off of being quite sick, Carolina was stacked on the right side, and they needed a pure DFD. Also felt he was paid too much for the 3rd pairing and should be in the 2nd pairing which is what he is.
He first played in Edmonton which was well known for just how horrible their defence was. Then after still gaining some notoriety there he was signed by Carolina and ultimately found himself on the bench, for the entire 2022 playoffs as well. After not gaining a foothold there and not even being given a single game in 2022/23 he was traded to a very desperate Vancouver Canucks squad and was subsequently part of one of the worst defenses in the league in 2022/23.
He's 26 at this point, he's averaged 54 games the past 3 years, and his spotty record leaves him in a position of being on the outside looking in, at least for me. Add in the fact he just had shoulder surgery. As such, imo he's a player that needs to prove himself ... not the other way around. I certainly wouldn't be confidently slotting him into a roster position myself as I thought he was seriously lacking on the defensive side of the puck last year.
https://thehockeynews.com/news/the-carolina-hurricanes-could-soon-move-ethan-bear
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7 hours ago, BigTramFan said:
No you're not living in the past. Carolina would laugh and hang up.
I know. Those two are completely out to lunch ... at the kids table
With the distressed market place it's hard to even tell if Beauvillier has positive value right now. One thing is certain there is no way Carolina or anyone feels that Anthony Beauvillier is the secret to their success they've been missing the last couple years, Well, only if they have a very poor understanding of hockey that is.
Teravainen Aho Jarvis
Svechnikov Kotkaniemi Necas
Bunting Stall Fast
Martinook Drury Noesen
Hey anyone know any skinny 35 point tweener guys we can get to fix our 113 point line-up. @NMHockey claims that Carolina is desperate for his playmaking ability and his 17 assists per season average.
15 hours ago, NMHockey said:They need any playmaking top nine forwards they can get.
Maybe they'll throw in Svechnikov, or Teravainen too.
-From NHL.com
Vladimir Tarasenko, New York Rangers
By his high standards, Tarasenko had a down season in 2022-23, with 50 points (18 goals, 32 assist) in 69 games for the St. Louis Blues and Rangers. The 31-year-old had 82 points (34 goals, 48 assists) in 75 games the previous season with the Blues. He was acquired by the Rangers in a trade Feb. 9 and had 21 points (eight goals, 13 assists) in 31 regular-season games for them. Tarasenko then had four points (three goals, one assist) in seven playoff games. He would be a top-six forward on any NHL team.
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18 minutes ago, coryberg said:
He will be 32 in December and those 6 straight 30 goal seasons were 10 to 4 years ago. He put up connor garland numbers last year. Quit living in the past. He is not a "top end guy" anymore.
Alright. Agree to disagree then. It looks like huge homerism to me but I guess I'm living in the past. 32 doesn't seem too old for a one year deal to me though. I know who I'd choose, and I actually like Beauvillier.
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1 hour ago, coryberg said:
No doubt, why would they want Beauvillier's measly 18 goals when they can get a top end guy like Tarasenko to score them 18 goals.
It was widely reported from many places that he was all but signed there. Hmmm, Tarasenko at $3-$4 mil or Beauvillier, for $4.15 mil and a first. Pretty damn easy decision
Tarasenko also previously scored over 30 goals in 6 years straight disregarding two years of serious injury. Beauvillier, scored 21 once 5 years ago. Tarasenko is 228 lbs. Beuvillier is almost 50 pounds lighter. Tarasenko also had 65 or more points in the last 6 of 8 years, in the down 2 he played in only 28 games or less. Beau had a high of 40. Tarasenko also has a Stanley Cup Ring he won in 2019.
He had an off year last year but it's pretty easy to see why they would want Tarasenko and his 18 goals more than Beuvillier.
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1 hour ago, NMHockey said:
They need any playmaking top nine forwards they can get. They have to trade someone due to cap reasons and they are struggling to re-sign Pesce regardless. They only have so much leverage in trading him. You not only are underrating Beauvilliers value as many people on this forum have pointed out he is worth a 2nd or even 1st if we move him; but you are also showing you have zero knowledge of prospects or young players. Rathbone had a freak injury that stalled him but he is still a cheap, ($850,000 AAV), 24 year old defenseman who is a great kid that competes, has shown upside to run a powerplay, and can skate. As for McDonough you clearly forget that he was a top NCAA power forward and Vancouver worked for months to convince him to sign here and multiple NHL teams were interested if he had chosen to become a UFA. Add in we also give them a 3rd and a 4th and the value is there.
Rathbone and McDonough both suck at the NHL level though. They have no value. Carolina doesn't want Beuvillier lol. They're trying to build a championship team. They are trying to sign top end guys like Tarasenko, not 170 lb. fluff.
Beauvillier worth a first. Have you noticed the flat cap? Helloooo it's 2023 out here. lol
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Whatever floats your boat Alf. I don't need to put other teams down to feel good about the Canucks. Hockey is won by raising your level to that of excellence, not relying on everyone else to suck.