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44 minutes ago, Chronic.Canucks.Fan said:
Unreal day. Benning is just clapping homers.
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1 hour ago, Alienhuggyflow said:
When they say the white is an alternate, do they mean an actual alternate (3rd)? Or alternate to home, (away)?
I believe that is the road jersey, I think I like the white one better than the green one.
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Just now, mikkim said:
The new Abbotsford Canuck jerseys are available for pre-order and they are a little cheaper than the NHL jerseys https://vanbase.ca/ I assume they are official jerseys and not nock offs.
Guess they are not cheaper, I clicked on the link to make sure it worked and the price jumped by $90 lol
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The new Abbotsford Canuck jerseys are available for pre-order and they are a little cheaper than the NHL jerseys https://vanbase.ca/ I assume they are official jerseys and not nock offs.
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45 minutes ago, Canucks Curse said:
they should have gone with the aviator logo in the V that is often used on the boards
Johnny Canuck was actually a WWI comic book hero- an allied pilot, as part of allied propaganda, fits with the Abbotsford aviation history- would have been a cool historical story line
disappointed if this us not featured somewhere because it smacks of an organization that does not know there own history
Actually he was a WW2 comic book hero, so you were close only off by one world war
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8 minutes ago, debluvscanucks said:
CANUCKS SCRIMMAGE WILL BE STREAMED ONLINE ON SATURDAY
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On 12/12/2020 at 8:21 PM, PetterssonOrPeterson said:
Looks like he's advertising for Sprite.
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1 hour ago, mll said:
2) European leagues only count if he was on loan there while under an NHL contract. He only has 2 pro-years and not the 3 to qualify. Canucks wouldn't have his rights if he did. As soon as he plays 1 NHL game he will disqualify entirely as he will have reached 80 NHL games.
Provost posted the relevant CBA article a few posts earlier - SPC stands for Standard Player Contract (as signed with a NHL team)
Group 6:
(i) Means any Player who is age 25 or older who has completed three (3) or more professional seasons, whose SPC has expired and: (i) in the case of a Player other than a goaltender, has played less than 80 NHL Games, or (ii) in the case of a goaltender, has played less than 28 NHL Games (for the purpose of this definition, a goaltender must have played a minimum of thirty (30) minutes in an NHL Game to register a game played). For the purposes of the foregoing, the term professional season shall: (A) for a Player aged 18 or 19, mean any season in which such Player plays in eleven (11) or more Professional Games (including NHL Regular Season and Playoff Games, minor league regular season and playoff games, and games played in any European professional league, while under an SPC), and (B) for a Player aged 20 or older, mean any season in which such Player plays in one or more Professional Games (including NHL Regular Season and Playoff Games, minor league regular season and playoff games, and games played in any European professional league, while under an SPC).
OK, I was under the impression that because the NHL recognized contracts from other leagues that they were considered SPC as well but after doing some research, like you said, it refers to an NHL contract and includes players on loan to European leagues, thanks for pointing that part out.
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12 minutes ago, Provost said:
How would that work? He won’t have played less than 79 games when his next contract expires. You can’t pick and choose criteria year by year.
It's not about where he will be when his next contract ends, it's about where he is right now, right now he would be considered group 6 based on his age, pro years played, games played in NHL
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4 hours ago, Provost said:
If he were eligible to be a Group 6 free agent he already would be. The age cut off for that is 25. If he signs for 1 year he will go over the 80 game threshold and not be eligible for Group 6.
He isn't eligible for UFA status until the 2022-23 season asI understand it, so a 1 year deal keeps him under club control, a 2 year deal walks him into free agency, and anything beyond is buying UFA years. A 1 year deal is ideal for us as it lets us see what he is without committing.
Group 6:
(i) Means any Player who is age 25 or older who has completed three (3) or more professional seasons, whose SPC has expired and: (i) in the case of a Player other than a goaltender, has played less than 80 NHL Games, or (ii) in the case of a goaltender, has played less than 28 NHL Games (for the purpose of this definition, a goaltender must have played a minimum of thirty (30) minutes in an NHL Game to register a game played). For the purposes of the foregoing, the term professional season shall: (A) for a Player aged 18 or 19, mean any season in which such Player plays in eleven (11) or more Professional Games (including NHL Regular Season and Playoff Games, minor league regular season and playoff games, and games played in any European professional league, while under an SPC), and (B) for a Player aged 20 or older, mean any season in which such Player plays in one or more Professional Games (including NHL Regular Season and Playoff Games, minor league regular season and playoff games, and games played in any European professional league, while under an SPC).
1) He is 25 ( Born Aug. 30 1994 )
2) He has more than 3 professional seasons ( European pro leagues count )
3) He has only played 79 regular season games in the NHL https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=159881
So with that I believe that right now he would be considered Group 6 meaning any contract he signs would make him a UFA when the contract expires no matter how long it is.
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22 hours ago, Hairy Kneel said:
Would one year put him into free agency?
If he is considered a Group 6 free agent, as some on here have suggested, he would become an unrestricted free agent after his next contract regardless of how long it is and how old he is according to the CBA "Any Group 6 Player shall, at the expiration of his SPC, become an Unrestricted Free Agent and shall be completely free to negotiate and sign an SPC with any Club, and any Club shall be completely free to negotiate and sign an SPC with such Player, without penalty or restriction, or being subject to any Right of First Refusal, Draft Choice Compensation or any other compensation or equalization obligation of any kind."
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49 minutes ago, lmm said:
well will you look at that
back in 1981 when the Coyotes, the Devils, the Hurricanes and the Quebec exsisted in the NHL
I guess that was pushback after all those terrible Norris teams made the playoffs
I stand corrected
That's pretty funny that they list them as the Coyotes, the Devils, and the Hurricanes
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25 minutes ago, lmm said:
DeNiro, you have been on this board for 12 years, you are a hall of famer and yet suddenly you are talking like you have no concept of the rules of engagement.
You were coming from left field on the 25.69 GAA, how did you not know that?
Now you are making up rules that have never applied.
When has the East-West ever had a cross-over for playoff position?
Never. This is not the CFL.
On what basis did you decide the NHL would use the top 16 regardless of conference?
Back in the late '70's early '80's it was the top 16 teams in the league that made the playoffs regardless of divisional or conference standing with the first round being a best of 5 series. In 1981 the first round featured the Vancouver Canucks against the Buffalo Sabers, the Sabers won the series 3 games to 0 but what I remember most from that series was Tiger Williams accidentally on purpose wacking Scotty Bowman over the head with his hockey stick
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3 hours ago, janisahockeynut said:
I will bet you a fake Trump silver dollar there will not be a playoff this year...….just don't see it happening
It is like a Loonie, except with Donald J Trumps face on it...….its new USA currency....and you can eat them.
Don't they also come in the pirate pack at White Spot?
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I've been re watching Battlestar Galactica because of Battlestar Galacticast with Tricia Helfer as she watches each episodes and gives some incite into the series, loved that series, and catching up on the latest season of Black Sails
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14 minutes ago, SilentSam said:
I copied and pasted this from KHL.com
On December 11, KHL President Dmitry Chernyshenko had his annual meeting with the directors of the KHL’s clubs. During the discussions, various amendments to the KHL’s regulations were reviewed. The most significant changes concern the implementation of a hard salary cap, which will be introduced next season. Here’s a run-down of how the new rules affecting players’ salaries will operate.
How it works now
In the 2019-20 season, clubs are operating under a ‘soft’ cap. The total permitted playing budget is 800 million rubles and any club exceeding that limit is obliged to pay 30% of that excess in the KHL Stabilization fund.
Next season
The salaries of all players listed as part of the roster of the KHL team – including those sent to any farm club in the VHL – will be included in the cap calculations. This applies even to players who do not play in a single game.
The types of income included in the salary cap are as follows:
- Salary;
- Individual bonuses worth more than 20% of the player’s salary;
- Team bonuses worth more than 20% of the combined team wage bill;
- Other material benefits for players and their immediate families, including travel, accommodation, education services etc.
The full list is available in Art.51 of KHL Legal Regulations.
Not included in the salary cap:
- Individual bonuses worth less than 20% of the player’s salary;
- Team bonuses worth less than 20% of the combined wage bill;
- Prizes for teams finishing in the top four positions after the playoffs;
- Prizes for the top three players in the League;
- Salaries of players on two-way contracts with the Junior Hockey League, or playing for the KHL team while aged 21 or under;
- Salaries of any player who listed as injured with an expected return date no earlier than May 1;
- Sports equipment, meals for players.
Enforcing the cap
There are two key mechanisms to enforce the salary cap in the KHL:
- When applying to compete in the upcoming KHL season, any teams exceeding the cap must redraw their budget to come under the limit;
- Teams overspending during the course of the season will be prevented from signing new players until the playing budget is back under the salary cap.
Salary floor
In September, the KHL Board of Directors agreed to implement a salary floor starting from the 2020-21 season.
This will form part of the requirements for all teams in the league and will be reviewed each year when approving the competitors for the upcoming campaign. Each team will have to demonstrate a forecast budget that includes a minimum level of funding to pay its players. It will also need to provide proof of funds from the club’s sponsors or owners. Next season, the minimum will be 35% of the salary cap, i.e. 315 million rubles. The level will increase step-by-step until 2023-24, when it will be 55% of the cap (495 million rubles).
The floor that will be 270 million rubles includes players’ basic salaries, individual bonuses and team bonuses.
The league will adopt a ‘three strikes’ policy to deal with breaches of the rule:
- First offense – a fine of 50% of the difference between the official ‘floor’ and the club’s actual expenditure;
- Second offense – a fine equivalent to 100% of the difference between the official ‘floor’ and the club’s actual expenditure;
- Third offense – expulsion of the club from the KHL.
Also on the agenda
The meeting also dealt with several other issues ranging from the size of the ice in KHL games to a review of the smart puck technology deployed for the first time this season:
KHL-NHL Memorandum
A revised memorandum of understanding between the NHL and the KHL provides more detailed rules on the mutual enforcement of arbitration arrangements between the two leagues.
Rink sizes
This season, teams in the KHL are using three different sizes of ice in their arenas. Following a poll of all 24 clubs, it became clear than an absolute majority (16 out of 24) favors a uniform playing surface of 60x28m.
In response the league has decided that all teams should move to a smaller rink size by the start of the 2021-22 season allowing playing both 60x28 and 60x26 surfaces. Before the start of next season, five teams (Jokerit, Lokomotiv, Salavat Yulaev, Traktor, Torpedo) will reduce the width of their rinks from 30m to 28m. Dinamo Riga and Kunlun Red Star will follow suit before the start of the 2021-22 season. Next season, 22 out of the 24 clubs in the KHL will play on a allowable size of ice pad.
Medicine and anti-doping
The KHL reiterates is zero tolerance stance on doping in sport. As in previous seasons, there is a memorandum of direct cooperation between the KHL and the International Ice Hockey Federation for the 2019-20 season. From September to November 2019, 112 doping tests were conducted jointly with the IIHF. A total of 440 tests are planned for the current season.
The KHL is constantly enforcing stricter requirements for the anti-doping awareness of medical staff and the players themselves. The league implements an anti-doping program developed jointly with RUSADA. Every player in the KHL, Junior Hockey League and Women’s Hockey is obliged to complete an online testing program. Without that certificate, they are not permitted to compete in the championship.
Smart pucks and big data
This season saw the launch of two ambitious projects designed to bring fans even closer to their favorite teams and to the league.
The ‘smart pucks’ rolled out from the start of the season are part of a world-leading set-up which delivers the highest level of data tracking for players and pucks in every KHL game. This sports telematics system offers a wealth of new statistical data, to the benefit of clubs and fans alike.
The league is in regular discussion with the coaching teams at all clubs, explaining what the system can offer and getting feedback. The telematics are gradually forming a part of the day-to-day life of every club in the league and as we work together to refine it, the system will become even more informative.
Fans also benefit from the opportunity to access smart stats, generated in real time.
The second project is more directly linked to fan experience. In March of this year the KHL signed a contract with IT company SAP. The data specialist will use its technologies to establish a detailed database of all interactions between fans, the KHL and individual clubs. A pilot project is already underway, involving Ak Bars, Metallurg and Spartak, and has compiled more than 867,000 individual fan profiles based on over 4.5 million transactions.
The long-term aim is to create a single database that records the full history of each fan’s interaction with the KHL. This information can then be used to enable the league and its clubs to communicate directly with each individual supporter, tailoring the message to their individual needs.
I wonder how much influence former NHL players who are returning to KHL front offices are having on these decisions, on a recent Kess and Juice podcast where they had Markus Naslund as a guest he was talking about his time as GM of Modo in Sweden and he tried implementing a more NHL structured system, more professional as far as how the team was run and he got a lot of resistance. Regardless it's good to see, better for hockey over all
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13 minutes ago, SilentSam said:
I appreciate your notes here,. It could just very well be we are waiting for his release from Avtomobilist to negotiate with Tryamkin, and to keep “good faith” with the KHL..
I hope so.
something other to note: I read a report from the KHL before this season started, it was about starting a more “professional” approach to business between teams , players , owners, and the KHL.
They have reduced the amount of teams in the KHL to keep them stronger, implemented, smaller ice surfaces to bring the “world class” game closer, introduces a salary cap, and wanted more harmony in player contracts with ownership to get away from some of the “cash pay outs” that makes for a volatile sub culture.
If I remember correctly, there was mention to allow players to move more freely within the league and the world..
I will look for the article, and quote you later on @mikkim . Cheers.
I think you are totally correct on this, the last thing JB wants to do is antagonise Avtomobilist or the KHL in anyway and that's why we have nerd nothing from the Canucks regarding his status
As for the KHL going to smaller ice size I wonder if that has anything to do with the IIHF coming out and saying they would like all future tournaments to be played on the smaller ice surface https://www.ctvnews.ca/sports/international-hockey-competitions-may-move-to-nhl-sized-ice-iihf-president-1.4241909
It would be great if the NHL and KHL can finally come up with a transfer agreement, and the KHL being run more professionally will be great for European hockey, looking forward to reading the article.
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39 minutes ago, SilentSam said:
The only offset that I could read in the Group 6 ,
is that he is a FREE agent in all of its language.
Meaning he would be free to sign with any NHL Club... BUT ! it does not mention the abolishment of “signing rights” to a team.. thus he is on the Reserve List, and a
was probably listed as a “defected player”.
im sure there is a story behind the story regarding all of this,. and possibly some secrecy,
but just knowing that Tryamkin has publicly stated that he would come back to Vancouver if we needed him says a lot about a precluded intention.
I’m happy to filter through this part of the CBA with anybody,.
I’m not a lawyer, but it really dosent take a lot to understand it if a person is interested in it.
I might be fully corrected, and I would be happy to realize that because this really is interesting.
Discussion is good..
..but tweets from journalists who really don’t study or ask the informative questions is really just “chirping”.
Cheers.
I do not believe he would be considered a defected player (group 4 free agent) because of two lines from the CBA under group 4 free agent, the first one is "who, having had an SPC with a Club, the provisions of which have not been completely fulfilled, contracts for a period including any part of the unfulfilled portion of his SPC" He did fulfill his contract to the Canucks, the 2nd part that would suggest he does not fall under this category is this line "A Player who plays out his final season and enters into a contract for a period including the following season with an unaffiliated club or with any other professional hockey club shall not be deemed to be a "Defected Player". So to me that would mean he does not fall under this category. There is a line in the Group 6 free agent category that makes me believe he would not be an unrestricted free agent and that line is "Any Group 6 Player shall, at the expiration of his SPC, become an Unrestricted Free Agent and shall be completely free to negotiate and sign an SPC with any Club" So to me that means he is still the property of the Canucks, that and the fact that he is on our reserve list but once his next contract is done, regardless of how long his next contract is, he will become an unrestricted free agent. I too am no lawyer but the wording does not seem to complicated, I've actually been enjoying reading it. I agree with you discussion is good especially when we have something to back up our points.
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2 hours ago, SilentSam said:
If he is released from the KHL terms of earlier than April 30th.. at least the freedom of discussion can take place.
If the NHL season is prolonged this year, let’s hypothetically say by 4 weeks, that’s 1 month less to adress cap / contract/ and draft needs before the 20 / 21 season.
The possibility of a comfort level can at least be found with Tryamkin sooner than later.
personally , after reading the CBA a few times now, my interpretation of Tryamkins position is that he is a Group 6 free agent , and NOT a Group 2 RFA.
.. and besides the differences of the above, he is not coming from a European League that would hold him to contract deadlines with the NHL. He would be exempt from such clauses.
hypothetically, if he signs, sooner, and can play this season, that’s more games he might be available to the Canucks if this season is prolonged.
The difference between the clauses is worth reviewing.
Until a formal announced is made by the Canucks / NHL / or Agent on this issue.. I’m happy to wait with the possibility of Nik still playing this season.
Either way, Tryamkin is closer to being in a Canuck Jersey, either this season or next .
.. and that’s positive.
Regardless,. Travel looks like it is being suspended in the world,. and there are bigger things, to learn, and be concerned about.This virus is only looking through the keyhole of how things should be handled in pandemic situations.
Guaranteed there will be more.. and some more powerful.
Lets learn from this, this is a serious reality check to what the future holds.
Congrats, I think you may have found something in the CBA that could allow him to sign this year if there is a resumption in play, the first sentence in the group 6 free agent says "Means any Player who is age 25 or older who has completed three (3) or more professional seasons, whose SPC has expired and: (i) in the case of a Player other than a goaltender, has played less than 80 NHL Games" NIkita is 25 and according to hockey stats has only played in 79 NHL games. Thank you for using the CBA to base your argument
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50 minutes ago, RomanP said:
There are many more irrelevant articles in the CBA, you should have brought all of them and then say "it doesn't apply here"...
In other words what you are saying is you still didn't read the post
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4 minutes ago, RomanP said:
So, why bring up this article in the first place if it doesn't apply here? Just to keep the conversation going without any real substance?
Read the whole post I made where you found that article and it should be pretty clear why I brought it up.
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2 minutes ago, SilentSam said:
How can he be a free agent when we own his rights. .
When his rights to us in the NHL expire, or his next contract with any body takes him past that date, then he is a free agent to any league in the World.A group 2 free agent is what everyone refers to as an RFA, after a player plays out his ELC he becomes a group 2 free agent or RFA (restricted free agent), which means we own his rights. When his contract ends or is terminated by his current club he will become an RFA or group 2 free agent, because he is not 27, has not played 10 years in the league he still falls under the group 2 free agent or RFA
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8 minutes ago, SilentSam said:
Then your not reading into the fact he is excluded .
he is on our reserve roster and eligible.
If your quote from the CBA means he is not a group 2 free agent then that is great, I really hope you are right, I really want you to be right, I want to see him back this year.
[GDT] Vancouver Canucks @ Detroit Red Wings | Oct. 16th, 2021 | SNP, 4:00PM PT
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I'm very excited for tonight's games, I missed the first two games because of work so this is my first time watching them this year and then at 7:00 it's the first game for Abbotsford Canucks on AHLtv, non stop Canucks for 6 hours!