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  1. Thats because they didn't have a GM OR President after they fired Quinn. But that all changed when they hired Burke the following year.
  2. Even the mighty Quinn made some questionable trades or moves in the Past or did nothing at all .. Keep in mind Quinn never had to deal with a cap ,nor did he had to deal with players with NTC. Back then Players never became free agents until they reached the age of 31. Big difference.
  3. I Agree that we're on the right track . It's going to take some time to rebuild. Burke and Pat Quinn went through the same thing.
  4. You have some interesting points. But Janis isn't it a little bit premature to say that Horvat who is in his third year is not going to be an a elite center? A kid who has improved his game every year he's been here. Would you have said that a few years ago about Kesler , or a H. Sedin , They didn't look like Elite Center in their third year in the league either. We could also say that Reinhart has potential but so does Horvat . You maybe right on Virtanen . but I also remember people were saying the same thing on a young Cam Neely . Yes being a tanker will not guarantee job security for a Gm ,Coaching staff or even players for that matter. , but reality is they're going to do whatever it takes to make this team compete every night. And players are not going to tank when they have jobs to fight for. Remember this is their livelihood. Nobody is Guarantee that we will get the first pick overall with as tank. No guarantee that first pick will not be a bust or that a late pick will not be a superstar. We could draft Owen Tippet and he may or may not turn out. How many top 5 picks did we get in the 70's and 80's Janis? How did that worked out for us. Also did you put into consideration who your going to expose to the expansion draft? I can understand where your coming from Janis. But that's a pretty big gamble that may or may not work.
  5. Agree it is possible but at the same time players have the right as to which team they want to go to. And working out a trade isn't as easy as it is on paper. Look at Kesler's situation when he only gave two teams to work with. They also have to think about who they could expose in the expansion draft.
  6. 1) Poor drafting in the mid 70's and parts of the 80's when we did have a top 5 pick. 2) Having Jack Gordon as our GM who traded Cam Neely and our 1st pick to Boston for Barry Pederson . 3)losing the cup in 94 4) collapsing to the Redwings ( 2002) and Wild (2003) 5)The death of Bourdon 6) Drafting Patrick White. 7)Trading away draft picks by both Nonis and Gillis. 8) Losing the cup in 2011 9) Trading away both Loungo and Schneider within a year where they could have gotten more in return.
  7. Yes he did and did he not sign a long term deal here too. Can you actually blame for being mistreated by management .
  8. Actually I don't recall either . The Sedins came up when we had the West Coast Express. Kesler spent a year and half in the Ahl but also keep in mind his second pro season was a lock out year.
  9. Thats true Toews .. I was responding to Down Under's comment when he mention that the Canucks have ruined McCann 's developement by keeping him in Vancouver last year. The point is Toews they would most likely have sent him down if the Panthers didn't have the injury bug .
  10. So how do you think they ruined his development when he had nothing to prove in Jr and he was too young at the time to go to the farm ? The kid is only 20 years old . Florida could have sent him down to the farm.
  11. Imo I dont believe they can until the end of the season.
  12. Your right. But if they do bring him up its before this season ends they usually say interm. Most likely they're not going to give him an extension until the end the year.
  13. Why? Because he won a cup? You mention that Hartley is a proven winner. And weren't Iron Mike and John Tortorella were proven winners too. What was Bob doing before he was given his chance in the NHL Apollo. He was an Ahl coach? How about guys like Crawford, AV ,Randy Caryle before they became head coaches. Its better to bring a guy like Green who already knows the players and the system. Why do you think when a player comes up from Utica ,he doesn't look really out of place. Give the guy a shot as an interm basis and see what he does And go from there.
  14. Ok I can understand some of your points. Can you remember what he was left with when he took over the job from Gillis? The same man who signed over half his aging roster to NTC or NMC. Wasn't it Gillis that said that he wouldn't ask any of his players to waive their NTC? So you think were slow now can you imagine still having Gillis as your Gm and keeping his word but not asking any of your players to waive their ntc? Do you recall at some point we had two great goaltenders before Benning took over But somehow both goaltenders ended up getting traded. Are you going to say that we got a fair deal with the Schnieder deal by only getting a first (Horvat). Or do you think we could have got more out of that deal? The same could be said about the Loungo trade . Its not like Mike had a gun to his head by both players asking out of Vancouver, not like the Kesler trade that Benning had to deal with along with only two teams to work out a deal. How do you expect to have competitive team when you have an aging core and your prospects to delevoped right away when your just entering your third year? We heard the same thing when Quinn took over and he had to deal with poor teams for at least 4-5 years before they became a contender. And the same could be said about Burke. Both of those Gm had to deal with the mess from the previous management. but there is two things neither Gm had to deal with in their time in Vancouver that Benning has to deal with is a Salary cap and most of his roster weren't giving NTC before taking over the job. Every GM is going to make his blunders here and there. but shouldn't we give Benning a chance to not only deal with a mess from the previous management but to see how he builds his team through his drafting. I'm pretty sure No GM is trying to build their team to win a lottery. It's also not the Gm job just to compete to appease ownership just to make the playoffs only to be swept 4 straight either. Benning can only work with what he has and it going to take time. Its like me asking you to rebuild a race car within months but you have no engine to work with and a limited budget. Not saying Benning is doing a wonderful job either. I'm just saying give him some time when we have players like Boeser, Demko and other draft picks under Benning are ready to come up .
  15. Reapectfully that's easier said then done. In a salary cap world who would take on that much salary for two aging players for youth and prospects when you also have the Sedin's having a NMC in their contract? You also meantion that we should retain 50 percent of their contracts if they do get traded .You do realized that still goes against the salary cap. Yes im pretty sure ownership would go for that. How long did it take previous Gm 's like Burke and Quinn to rebuild this team. It took Quinn roughly 4 years . When Burke took over he had an aging overpaid Messier and a disgruntled Bure to deal with. Remember neither Gm didn't have a salary cap to deal wiith in their time in Vancouver. We do have young talent, but they need time to developed just like when we had a young Kesler ,the Sedin's ,a Bertuzzi, Naslund..etc . ..Sorry not every player that is 19 or 20 in our system is going to be a Crosby or an Austin Mathews that is going to come in right away and play lights out in the NHL. I understand what your getting at Janis but its also difficult when previous Management training away two top goaltenders and giving an aging core group a Ntc or NMC.