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  1. Proposal (TRADE) VAN-CAR

    It's tough because if Carolina is looking to rebuild, they want assets that the Canucks don't want to part with. Faulk would be better suited to go to a team entering their core cup potential seasons. I wouldn't give up our 2018 1st round pick, but I think the value is in line with what Carolina would want for Faulk. None of Goldobin, Baertschi or Hutton are top pieces, so it's a package of quantity, and the one real piece of quality for a good defenseman entering his prime is the 1st rounder. Maybe a team like the Islanders would part with one of their two first rounders for him? And maybe the other first rounder for a goalie like Holtby? Convince JT to stay.
  2. Mtl - NYI (proposal/Discussion)

    I fully realize this is insane, but just for the hell of it, how about... The Islanders currently have $29 million in cap space. Let's say Tavares takes $10/year. That leaves $19M (Assuming Price and Ladd waive NMC's) Price, Weber to NYI for Both 2018 1st round picks (#11 & 12), Ho-Sang, Pulock, Greiss, Ladd, (8.33) Montreal retains 50% of Weber's contract (3.9M x 5 years) Cap Hit Going to NYI: 14.4M Cap Hit Going to MON: 8.83M + Pulock and Ho Sang's RFA contracts The Islanders go all-in for Tavares to stay adding a true leader of a veteran defenseman, and a true #1 goalie for the first time in forever for the Islanders. Huge salaries, but worth it. They give up a lot, and some will say the contracts of Montreal are so bad it's not worth it. But with half of Weber's salary staying with Montreal, plus Price who has the potential to be the best goalie in the league, they go for it. Montreal adds a good young d-man, a good young forward and two high first round picks. Then Montreal trades Pacioretty + 3rd round pick to Edmonton for #10 overall pick. Overall Montreal instantly rebuilds with four first round picks this year along with two additional young players and cap space to burn. Obviously not going to happen but fun to think about!
  3. [Proposal] CHI-VAN; CAL-TOR-VAN

    I would definitely take Hamilton for Tanev and a second rounder. I'd be surprised if Calgary trades him in division. Getting the 8th overall pick for Seabrook (which it doesn't sound like Chicago would do, but I think they should do) is so risky. If Seabrook had 3-4 years left, totally fine. But six years is insanely bad. That's an anchor of a contract at the point the Canucks are trying to compete unless we can ship him off for a first rounder in a few years, or have Chicago retain more.
  4. (Proposal) Weaponize - 3 way Trade

    I don't think Ottawa would trade Colin White, even to lose Bobby Ryan. To be honest, I think they'd rather use Karlsson to offload that contract rather than White. He's a key piece of their rebuild, they're already without a first round pick in this year or next (likely next), and giving up one of their top young guys to lose Ryan's contract would result in fan mutiny.
  5. (Proposal) Draft Lottery Idea

    I think you may be missing something here. The worst teams in the league, have the longest periods of time to try to accumulate the points for the top pick. Therefore, the advantage is definitely still in the favour of the bad teams. If Buffalo is terrible and gets eliminated early, they then can have months to accumulate points towards the draft, but they'd still have to play hard rather than trying to lose. Teams that are good will not be disqualified from the playoffs until much later. This format is still beneficial for the bad teams, and they have the highest odds of the top pick, they just have to earn it rather than having a lucky ping pong ball.
  6. (Proposal) Draft Lottery Idea

    I also thought it was genius when I heard of it! I totally agree that it's complicated, but I think it's worth it. Would take a couple years for the general public to understand, but it's a huge boost to the NHL to have fans and teams wanting to play hard all 82 games and move away from the tanking issue. Being complicated is a small price to pay.
  7. (Proposal) Draft Lottery Idea

    I heard someone make a suggestion recently that I had never thought of before, but really makes a ton of sense. It's a bit hard to explain, but I'll try. When a team is statistically eliminated from the playoffs, they enter the pool for highest draft pick. But instead of tanking for the highest draft pick, from the time they were eliminated, they actually have to win (win & tie points) to get the highest draft pick. Every point your team gets after they are statistically eliminated is counted towards earning the top pick. Why this method would work, is that the really bad teams (ie Buffalo this year) would be statistically eliminated weeks before the end of the season. So they have a higher chance of earning top overall pick, because they have a longer period of time to earn those points. A team that almost makes the playoffs but just misses, may not have any chance to earn points if they are eliminated on the final night of the season. Therefore they have the lowest pick. The Canucks, for example, were probably eliminated a week or two after Buffalo so Buffalo got the head start but the Canucks could win games down the stretch to win. Hope that makes sense. From the point of being eliminated, teams need to win. Whoever has the most points after they were eliminated down the stretch gets the highest draft pick, and so on down to the team that just missed the playoffs. Why do I think this is a good strategy? Because it's the opposite of tanking. Even bad teams need to win down the home stretch. Could you imagine how exciting it would be if the Canucks team was playing for the top overall pick on the final night of the season? If we win, and get two points, we get Dahlin? EVERYONE would be watching that game. It rewards winning, even for bad teams. It keeps every team trying for all 82 games. It gives fans of bad teams something to cheer for. Bettman, get it done.
  8. Spontaneity! (Proposal / Discussion)

    I honestly think Carolina wins this deal @Nuxfanabroad. Draisaitl is the best player in this deal, but he's on a huge contract, plus those are four very good assets from Carolina. IMO Teravainen and Hanifan is probably equal in value to Draisaitl but Bean and #2 overall are worth more than Nurse and #10 overall. It's an interesting idea. With Carolina so stacked on D, they'd be interested in Draisaitl but might as well keep Hanifan, Bean and Teravainen then draft Svechnikov. I originally read this wrong, and thought you were suggesting packages from Edmonton and Carolina to move up to #1 for Dahlin. Both of these actually would be really interesting offers for Dahlin. Edmonton would get cap space and an elite D. Carolina wouldn't make as much sense since they are strong on D. Both are overpayments (even for Dahlin) but it had me thinking about it.
  9. Fair enough, guess it really depends on how Chicago views him and mll points out that they seem to want to hold onto him. Seems strange to me since they are always against the cap, and even traded Panarin last year to save space, but they're spending it on Seabrook who they made a healthy scratch some games this year.
  10. What about the actual proposal, rather than just dropping a vague negative comment. Are you saying those first round pick proposals aren't realistic? Tanev and Markstrom isn't worth a 1st? Taking Seabrooks contract isn't worth a 1st?
  11. The Canucks have a lot of options this offseason, especially with the extra cap space from the Sedin's retiring. With a clear rebuild going on, I think the Canucks should focus on really making waves for this draft and getting the core guys of the future in the system to develop. Here's my thoughts on how we can add a couple extra high first round draft picks, then potentially even flip them into the top overall spot for Dahlin. Let me know your thoughts. TRADE #1: To Vancouver: Brent Seabrook* (Chicago retain $2 million per year), 2018 1st round pick (7-10th overall, assuming they don't win lottery), To Chicago: Derrick Pouliot, Sam Gagner, 2018 5th round pick *Pending Seabrook waiving NTC, which likely would take Chicago telling him that he's no longer a part of their plans and won't be playing much, and it's best for him to go home to Vancouver Canucks Reasoning: First off, I think Seabrook's contract is HORRIBLE. In fact, I think it's the worst in the entire NHL. My inclination is not to touch it with a ten foot pole. However, under certain conditions, this actually makes a lot of sense for the Canucks. First off, I think Chicago would be desperate to deal, him and the Canucks capitalize on cap space from the Sedins to grab an extra 7th to 10th overall pick, a huge asset. Second, the Canucks add a veteran leader defenseman, captain material, hometown boy to be the leader of the defense and bring up the young guys like Juolevi. Third, having this veteran leader defenseman allows us to deal Edler and/or Tanev to gain more assets. Fourth, we lose Sam Gagner's salary. With Chicago holding $2 million per year, taking Seabrook for $4.85 isn't the worst thing in the world, even with five years remaining. It's possible that in three years we trade or buy him out when the team starts to get competitive. Or ideally, he'll still be good enough to be a 2nd or 3rd pairing guy at that point. Overall the Canucks gain a leader for the young guys, a 10th overall pick, and dump Gagner's salary. Blackhawks Reasoning: As mentioned above, Seabrook's contract is likely the worst in the NHL. $6.875 for five more years for a 33 year old. Even though Chicago had a bad year, they are in a very different situation than the Canucks. Their core of Toews, Kane and Crawford are in their prime still. Keith is still playing well. They have other pieces like Anisimov, Saad, Schmaltz. What they need to do is retool, not rebuild. The main thing holding them back is cap space. And Seabrook is clogging that up long term. Hossa may be on IR or could be traded too, but opening up $5 million (even after retaining $2M) for the next five years allows them to go out an sign a good player to add to their core now. Losing the high pick hurts, but they get rid of Seabrook while he can still play, and I think the cap space is worth it. They also get a young puck moving depth d-man, and a scoring forward back in return. Gagner could fit a niche role for them, even though they take on the remaining two years of his contract. TRADE #2: Two connected trades. Holtby, Orpik for Tanev (half retained), Markstrom. Then flip Holtby to NYI for 1st & 2nd. Which overall means: To Vancouver: 2018 NYI 1st round pick (10th-13th overall), , 2018 Calgary 2nd round pick (via NYI), Brooks Orpik To New York Islanders: Braden Holtby To Washington: Chris Tanev (50% retained), Jacob Markstrom Note: The reason I included the Capitals in this trade rather than just simply offering Tanev and Markstrom for a 1st and 2nd from the Islanders, is that I think the Islanders would really want a true #1 top goalie, even more so than another good defenseman. So Holtby would be much more appealing to them than Markstrom IMO, then they can re-sign De Haan. If not, then Washington can be cut out of the deal, and Tanev, Markstrom offered for a 1st and 2nd. Canucks Reasoning: Clearly this is about the rebuild, and trading a good defenseman in his prime for a top draft pick, a second round pick, and a veteran (cap dump) replacement. Due to Tanev's injury history, he wouldn't be able to get this high of a draft pick in return for him at this point. The goalie market isn't particularly highly valued, with only a couple teams needing starters, so I also don't think Markstrom has huge value. In return the Canucks get a high first rounder, a good second rounder, and a veteran d-man on an expiring contract that we can play for 2/3 of the year then trade. Islanders Reasoning: As mentioned in my note above, I think the Islanders real aim is to get a true #1 goalie, even more so than adding a good defenseman and a pretty good goalie. With Holtby there is some risk after his bad season, but he's only 28, has repeatedly been one of the top five goalies in the league, and gives them a real #1 for the first time in literally forever. On top of this, the deal shows John Tavares that the Isles are serious about winning, and making moves to improve the team. The Islanders have two first rounders, and two second rounders thanks to Calgary, so essentially this deal is like trading Travis Hamonic for Braden Holtby (plus an extra pick), which they'd be happy about. Capitals Reasoning: The Capitals have a great young goalie in Grubauer who is ready to take over from Holtby, but handing him the full time starting gig is risky for a team with cup aspirations. In this deal, the Capitals trade the asset of Holtby for a top pairing defender in his prime at only $2.25M per season, plus a good starting potential goalie to split time with Grubauer and be insurance if he's not fully ready, and dumping the contract of Orpik. Which also allows them big money to spend on re-signing Carlson. Cap space, a top defender, and a solid replacement goalie to play along with Grubauer is an amazing return for Holtby. TRADE #3: To Vancouver: Travis Dermott To Toronto: Alex Edler (50% salary retained) Canucks Reasoning: Edler only has one season left on his contract, and is clearly not a part of the long term plan, so in this deal then send him to an up-and-coming team looking for veteran playoff experience on the blueline. In return, they get a defenseive prospect just breaking into the NHL, a former 2nd round pick, who is only 21 years old. Leafs Reasoning: With a first round knock out, the Leafs next year will be looking to build on that. Veteran, playoff-proven top 4 defenseman are not easy to come by, and the Leafs add one in Edler to add stability and leadership to the back end. Dermott is a good young player, but not an elite part of their core, and they are willing to part with him in this deal, especially since the Canucks retain half of Edler's salary. TRADE #4: To Vancouver: Max Domi To Arizona: Nikolay Goldobin, 2019 conditional pick (based on how how well Domi does next year. 60+ points = 2nd rounder, 40-59 = 3rd rounder. Below 40 = 4th rounder) Canucks Reasoning: Domi is young, has speed, brings grit, and can score. But he's fallen out of favour in Arizona, so the Canucks take a shot on a young guy with a really high ceiling. Goldobin has potential but Domi's is definitely higher plus he brings more of the grit that the Canucks need. Coyotes Reasoning: As mentioned, Domi seems to have fallen out of favour with the Coyotes. With this deal, they get a prospect who is almost NHL ready, plus a draft pick, plus cap space from not having to negotiate with Domi. DRAFT: Offer draft picks #6 & #7 overall plus 2018 2nd round to the #1 overall team for Rasmus Dahlin. I'd maybe even consider trading all three top ten picks (projected 6, 7, 10 assuming none win lottery Saturday). If top team won't trade Dahlin, try to draft two defensemen (out of Bouchard, Boqvist, Hughes, Dobson) and one forward (probably Wahlstrom at #7 unless Tkachuk falls) with picks 6, 7, 10 overall. SIGNINGS: Sign Robin Lehner, Carter Hutton, or Jonathan Bernier for 2 years at $3-4 million (whoever will accept that short term of a contract) Re-sign Granlund 2 years at $2.25 million 2018/2019 ROSTER: Petterson - Horvat - Boeser Domi - Gaudette - Virtanen Granlund - Sutter - Eriksson Leipsic - Gaunce - Motte Orpik - Seabrook MDZ (Dahlin if able to trade for) - Gudbransson Dermott - Stecher Hutton, Biega Hutton/Lehner/Bernier Nilsson (Demko another year in minors - no point ruining his confidence) Prospects: 3 top 12 new draft picks (if not Dahlin), Juolevi, Demko, Dahlen, Gadjovich, Lind. With Petterson and Gaudette staying in the NHL.
  12. NHL'er, I like the thought you put into your proposal. As mentioned in my last post, I don't think Buffalo would accept, as they'd be looking for a higher end D player or prospect, but it's a good proposal. I like your De Haan idea a lot. He's in his mid-twenties, lots of experience, comes relatively inexpensively, and also would give us flexibility to trade Tanev (or Edler) by having a replacement similar player in our system.
  13. The OP is a fair value, but I don't think Buffalo will do it (as some others have already mentioned). They'd want defense in return if trading him, and a package of mid level pieces just isn't super enticing. Lind may be a decent prospect, but not a top one, so it's not like they're getting back a player of Reinhardts potential. My guess is Buffalo would ask for either Tanev or Juolevi in return for Reinhardt. Tanev if they're focused more on the present, Juolevi if still thinking 'rebuild'. Juolevi is also a young guy who will be an NHLer but may or may not be elite, just like Reinhardt. It's fair value, but the Canucks would prefer to keep a defenseman. Overall both teams want D over Offense, and Buffalo won't accept a package of lesser for Reinhardt. Also, Reinhardts Face Off Percentage scares me a lot, as a centerman. Career average of 36.4. Last season 39.4. Yikes.
  14. [Proposal] Trading For 1rst Round Picks

    I think the Canucks are getting the better end of most of those deals. The Boeser deal the NYI might go for, because he's young and more proven, but Tanev is injury prone, so he won't command a high first rounder. The Montreal deal is clearly a quantity for quality trade which rarely happens. The Edmonton deal is a possibility, I could maybe see them going for that, depending on their projections of Virtanen and Puljujarvi. Big risk to do this in division with young players through. As mentioned by someone else, I think the Oilers and Islanders are the most likely teams to trade a first rounder. For the Islanders, I think they'd want Tanev and Markstrom, as well as dumping Greiss' salary in exchange for a first (10-15 overall) and second round pick. But if they were to really make a move for a goalie, using a first round pick, likely they'd trade for Holtby first.
  15. (Proposal) Canucks-Stars

    I'd also take the second rounder for Spezza, but I really think we'd be one of those 10 teams. To accept a trade here, with a hope of being traded again mid season to a contender is a lot of movement and a lot of variables. I think he'd be better to try to get traded directly to a contender and have Dallas keep 50%. Or similar to the Brassard trade, include a third team for cap purposes. I'd be happy if the Canucks are that third team, I just don't see Spezza wanting to come here, nor do I see Dallas wanting to give up much to dump him. Maybe he's interested in being a mentor and getting more playing time, but I'm not sure. If Dallas offers us a second and Spezza (or ideally Honka and Spezza), I'd gladly take it.