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Plot twist The forum announcement use to say October 1 It now says in October.....

They forgot the most important rule …. Lay off the employee tasked to turn off the last light switch …. LAST….. betting they got let go first and no one left knows how lol

In non physical violence the aim of both canada and us courts is rehabilitation. For addicts if treatment is sought and followed the outcome will be better than just doing time.that normally makes the person worse For most of these people the treatment path is harder - more challenging than any short term time out behind bars. Society is safer if people like.him get healthy and stay in treatment vs sending him to jail for a few months where he will.be treated like a.hero and get out worse than when he went in Sadly society forgives.A holes alot faster then they forgive addicts. We see.the bad boy reformed allowed.back sooner than we remove.the stigma from.addicts..... just the way society works

Nope Being drunk is NOT a defense BUT - being an alcoholic can be in law There are several high profile.SCOC rulings that for things like assault being so drunk they don't remember etc- can not be used as a defense But for addicts the act of being drunk can't shield them from responsibility but being an alcoholic not only mitigates some sentencing in other cases if treatment is taken it will result in no sentencing Normally its for non violent acts the courts.will.pause the case if the person enters treatment and then make maintenance of the treatment plan the sentence vs convicting them

Years ago on a labor course a former Judge was the presenter and used a real example in which alcohol and addiction played roles ( the case went through the courts and is considered case law in the US ) Story goes 2 garbage truck drivers get pulled over and busted for open beer and the driver being DUI With there employer both were fired on the spot and their union grieved Before the arbitrator both men had to speak The driver - clean record never a blemish. Begs forgiveness and has already involved his pastor to work with him to make sure he never walks this pass again ( he had never drank on duty before or had any history of ever being drunk ). He had had 1.5 beers Passenger - yah I drank 5 beers that day , I do every day. Normally I would be on my 6th or 7th beer at that time and sisht even feel 5 beers at all. It's kinda my thing Guess the outcome ? Driver fired for irreparable damage to the trust relationship- would have been a 90 day suspension if he hadn't been the driver - discipline upheld by court Passenger - placed on leave and given 2 options - voluntarily resign or see a specialist and If diagnosed as an addict enter residential.rehab treatment. The oassenger took the medical route and kept his job. He was not free from consequences as he had to sign a last.chance agreement and is subject to random urine checks the rest of his career and must maintain active AA membership as well Point being - addiction is real and is medical. It's no different that any other medical problem. There is no such thing as consequences free rides. The harder path is treatment as it makes it public , you can fool a judge but your not going to fool addiction specialists and your going to have to follow medical orders to abstain from all drugs and alcohol to be considered medical stable and able to work That and we want addicts to see.there is a path back if they ask for and accept help His career most likely over unless Boston gives him a go in the minors but If he truly is an addict the only people that get to decide if he is forgiven or not is those he hurt .... so all.the best to him as the path he has chosen will.be the hardest work in his life but will be the best work he's done If he's using it as an excuse he about to get a.rude wake up call in life

That makes them the same as store bought novelty gear- not player worn Changes a 3000 dollar.charity jersey to a 299 buck common jersey They are not the same

It means all theme.based.jerseys are gone Cancer - indigenous- military and the list goes on And what about Christmas? How many atheists will it take to cancel NHL Christmas events ? 3? Maybe 4? This just proved why it's needed because all it took was for a small very vocal minority to take away something that was enjoyed by the majority and needed by some

This is exactly why it was so wrong for those opting out- they have successfully canceled something that the majority supported Social media is already flush with people claiming victory and cheering the nhl for taking something back that was apparently lost Very disappointing

Making it safe for players who identify with pride isn't an agenda ..it's the law.and employers are required to take steps Hockey is part of our culture and when we face a.crisis or a problem we often turn to.things.that unit us That's why the NHL participates in anti bullying messaging , anti violence messaging , charity work for things like school programs and Canucks place ... Why they stood for Humboldt strong.and many other important events If we tell.players to basically shut up an play it takes away from who we are ...... Like it or not when kids see their hero's say we all belong .... It means something. To each their own but I like that players stand for comlunity values and at times lead the larger voice for us

If everyone in the locker room behaved as such if agree They don't .... Far from it. So calling them into the conversation instead of going hard line and throwing them out is preferred What you describe is the end game goal .... We are far from it but yup when no one in that locker cares anymore then it's a conversation not needed ..... But that day.isnt today

Negative .... The player might not mean disrespect and there may be hidden political reasons as you've mentioned but the far fringes.of society uses these examples.to.validate. their hate Kuz should have requested to be sat this game and then this mess could have been avoided.

I saw this a few years back in a junior game where a player instead of a cammo theme jersey had a poppy themed one ( remembrance vs honoring serving ) That's an easy one to navigate as even Russia recognizes a remembrance day and consciences objectors still served but in non combat roles

If all other hockey players ( including gay onnes ) were accepted as equals in the locker room then I'd agree we don't need pride events at hockey That is absolutely not the case and until it is that's why the message needs repeating Gay players do not have the same treatment and rights as other players in any locker room ..... Even players acknowledge this so not sure why you think they do?

I've already established over and over and over and over and over that religious grounds are protected rights and accomodations must be made But yes if someone says they hate or dislike pride just because , and refuse to support a company event simply because of opinion then yes their should be consequences. One is a protected right and the other is not

Do both of you protest against Canuck theme nights at Christmas or Valentine's Day or other team nights they wear modified warm up jerseys? If you do for all events then you can claim your just against teams celebrating anything other then hockey If not ( spoilet alert ) and your clearly not .... Then you both are exactly why more work is needed

It should be league wide NHL approved jerseys should be seen as company uniforms for the NHL and players wanting to opt out should have an NHL HR office to apply for exemptions Religious grounds are protected and accomodations must be made. In these cases that player should stay in the locker room.during pre skate then play as normal For reasons not protected by human rights ( family and personnel reasons) the player should be considered refused and be sat . Although not my place to speak on pride groups view . .... I'd rather they just stop pride.events completely until they have an enforceable policy league wide I simply don't get push back on an event that just says.it.supports a group who currently doesn't feel safe to identify themselves and still be accepted in hockey .... Wanting to do.something to change that culture .... Not suggesting you are, just in relation to people against it

Not really If they said the team has a policy that they support pride and inclusion in sport and all employees must participate unless excluded for religious reasons. Then they simply post up those players who opted to sit. Fans like it or not would at least been supportive of them walking the walk. My employer supports anti bullying and I get a free shift to wear.twice.a year. If I refused to wear the company provided shirt for company events I would have been invited to take a.day off ..... Why should this be different ? If a company says it supports something then enforce it . If not then change your policy to encourage support so it's clear.your.company kinda supports an issue but stops short of saying it's part of our company vision Fans would have understood and I would be ok with any player walking the walk

This is more on the coach. The player didn't invoke a religious request for refusal - they used a family choice Any other job in the province if an employee refused to wear the uniform provided during aid hours ( absent a human rights reason such as religion ) they would be at best suspended at worst fired If the coach had any control on his players he would have sat him for the game People are free to speak their mind not freedom from.consiquences This decision absent of a religious reason does impact the company ..... They can't believe in diverty and inclusion when employees can just say pass ... Absent of course bona fide reasons Just my thoughts .... Love the nucks but lost alot of respect for a few in the organization over this ..... Seems it would have been better just to have him as a healthly scratch tonight

This is a horse that died months ago and this new topic Is just restating that. Not knocking the poster but this was stale dated news a month before it was posted lol

Not all but many players have coasted this season. Had they played better Bruce may not have been fired. I do agree Bruce was thrown under the bus by management for sure. But many of the players didn’t help Bruce at all either. Winning coaches seldom get fired a small number of players did play better under his coaching and they can’t be flagged for having any role in this

The whole situation was handled badly. I don't know how much blame.the canucks have for the leak but they own all of it fir the fall out. Once it was leaked they should have offered to fire Bruce to save him the humiliation that was coming Hiring the new coach before firing the old one mid season is.common practice so that in itself is nothing new. The early leak should have forced it'd annoucment sooner. Bruce couldn't quit as it would cost him his pay .... he needed to be released and that's what rhe right thing should have occured I like Bruce but this is getting ridiculous. Players crying saying giid bye to him ? Cmon man many stopped playing for him.and threw.him.under the bus. The team was and imploding and this was predictable. The fact that they signed Bruce to just a 1 year extension should have been your clue that he was on borrowed time Bruce us a players coach. To win he needs players that play to his coaching. Only a few did ... most didn't I'm disappointed Bruce didn't get a chance to coach this team after blowing it apart and settling on new players. I'm more concerned that they wanted a coach that can get more out of these players .... that tells me there will be little change to the team .... 2 players coaches in a row have not succeeded with this group so what makes.the new coach any better ?

Please make sure you make that caveat when saying it ..l.it’s important to provide the why In proper context. Thanks for providing that clarifying piece

Help me understand. I know about the gambling conviction and I as well don’t like how the Canucks handled this whole situation What is the risk to children that prompts hr lack of trust around them ? Am I missing something ?

This is just plain cruel to Bruce at this point. As.they have made their decision they owe it him to him to.be more respectful. Bruce can't quit aa it would cost him big money .... he needs for them to release him I like Bruce but if they have made a firm decision which it sounds like they have..... don't hang Bruce out for humiliation ...... It could impact other coaches from noy wanting to join us in the future

Fans seat at the table of any business is the same Go or Don't Go .....that's it as long as fans keep buying gand or atattending games we are stuck with the product they are selling to us Stop buying it and they will.change