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47 minutes ago, Kevin Biestra said:
By the great hall do you mean the rafters or the Hall of Fame?
I'm an on-the-fence guy about Naslund...in both cases I guess.
I'll assume you're talking about the rafters. You must be if you're referencing his being drafted by the Canucks.
I find that kind of an odd criterion. Is it that important that we draft him instead of acquire him early in his career, like McLean or Tanti or Bertuzzi? I personally don't give that a whole lot of weight. I think its significance to the issue will reflect itself in games played for the team. If we grab him too late in the game like, say, Murray Craven or even Dave Babych, he just won't have the opportunity to build up to jersey retirement levels.
Anyway, yeah if Naslund had captained us to a Stanley Cup he should be in both the rafters and the Hall of Fame, no question about it. Instead, his legacy in the playoffs can be described only as one of failure. His regular season accomplishments are enough to get him to an "on the fence" position for me.
So...I'm not really the guy to cheerlead the "retire Naslund's jersey" cause. I'm fine with it. But that's about it.
You're no dummy. Yea. I meant the rafters. Finished binging GoT the other day, (3rd time.), and there's still some residual GoT speak in my head!
Hence the "Great Hall," reference.
The fact he wasn't an original Canuck draft wasn't meant to be taken as a "criteria." The fact that he's up there with the other 5, and not reaching the same plateau as the other 5, perhaps is more questionable regarding his place up there..........
I mean come on........in the 2003 playoffs, if that West Coast Express era team had reached the big show, and even if they didn't win it, we'd be waxing enthusiastic of Captain Nazzy, his West Coast Express mates, the other players, and Cloutes. Instead we bitch of Clouts choke job, and the 3 consecutive losses after being up 3 games to1 against the North Stars.................Definitely disappointing at the time.
I guess in short, in that hypothetical scenario, yea. He'd totally be deserved of the rafter treatment. That in addition to his other achievements; original draft or not.
To that end, to me, as much as I loved that guy...........leans towards the "No" side of the fence. A RoH automatic for sure! But he's up there now. No going back.
He was definitely a feel good story though. We stole him from the Penguins. His success with us made up for all that Keenan/Mess debacle. Dark times then. Hated those two. no need to go into why.
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Oh. Back to topic....
IMHO, if Nazzy had gotten us a SC, then I would think he deserves his place in the great hall. Otherwise he's got two things against him; he wasn't an original drafted Canuck, and he didn't get us past the 2nd round.
Okay Kevin Biestra. Or anyone else..........convince me!
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4 minutes ago, Kevin Biestra said:
Well, I won't tell you that you haven't watched your share of Canucks hockey. But if you watched Trevor Linden's career and think that the number 16 shouldn't hang in ther afters, I guess you just took something different than I did from the experience.
I totally get ya' budz. I was stoked when we chose him in '88. Truly, his ascension to Canuck legendary status happened quickly. I remember his hat trick vs North Stars as a rookie. Certainly his exceptional rookie season didn't go by me; 2nd in the Calder Cup running, almost, tying, or exceeding team records. Also other accomplishments in my mind; captain at 21yrs. old, All Star Game appearances........I even VHS'd every single game during their '94 run. (I worked evenings!) I was really disheartened when we lost to that stacked Ranger team. As I also was disheartened with the 2011 series vs Bruins....................................Which is a deliberate segue to.................
The Sedin's number retirements make sense to me. I dunno. Maybe the advancement of technology regarding social media and multi media TV and such has something to do with it, but whatever was responsible, the Sedins were a household names. So talked about and so respected everywhere; here and especially in Eastern Canada. Their, "Sedinery," changed the game with their style of play; the slap pass, the long bank pass, and their cycling skills were above the rest.
Now. The Sedins didn't make me forget the great accomplishments Linden made as a Canuck. But they did make me forget about them for a few seasons! On that note......
Now that I think about it, and after doing more "Trevor" research, I am reminded of his greatness, why he deserves to have his Canuck number retired, and why he's in the rafters of the great Vancouver Canucks Hall of Heroes.
You changed my mind budz. Good job.
Go Canucks Go!!!
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Pietriangelo? Yes. For just one year? Nope!!!! Too early. Until such time that we're SC contenders, rental players of this ilk and cost are off the table. Now as to going after a mid range defensman? Makes alotta' sense to me. Let's do it. Uhmmmmm.........errrr...........Where do we start??!????
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"Fortune favours the bold!" I know someone famous said that, but I can't remember who......
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56 minutes ago, Kevin Biestra said:
The only jersey retirement I've ever seen that I would call a ticket sales ploy is Jeremy Roenick in Phoenix, and those guys would retire Pat Jablonski's jersey if they thought it meant they could sell another $50 worth of hot dogs at the concession that night.
The league has a good number of retired jerseys where the player is honored for long service, great leadership and team heroics where the player would probably not get into the Hall of Fame. Brian Sutter, etc. And there's a reason why Hall of Famers like Larry Murphy and Mark Recchi and Dino Ciccarelli probably don't get their jerseys retired anywhere, because they never settled down in a city and both stewarded the team and captured the heart of the city for a decade or so.
I don't know why you seem to want to conflate the two different honors. If you don't get why Stan Smyl or Trevor Linden belong in the rafters, it's like you haven't felt the pulse of the team for the last 40 years.
Well, I did say, "....at least in part, a practice to keep season ticket sales strong..." In addition, it's driven by the on and off ice achievements of said players, the adoration of the fans, and more than just trophies and record setting stats. I know that.
Hell! I'm a Canuck fanboy and honestly, I'm one of those fans that like, "flights of fancy." To be honest, I lost touch with the 'Nucks during the whole Stan Smyl era as I was chasing a career path that disallowed me time. Too much, "Argos....." and "Go Leafs Go...." At the time. Didn't watch a single 'Nuck game till the '88-'89 season.
I know Smyl is much beloved and got the 'Nucks to the big show in '82. Even though it was achieved by defeating dismal teams in LA and Chicago, the odds were against our 1982 Stan Smyl led Canucks. We all know the outcome. I know the stories, saw the highlights, and tried watching some games during this COVID break.
I'm sorry. You're right. I truly, "......haven't felt the pulse of the team for the last 40 years." certainly during the Dunc Wilson/Gary Smith era and 1989 and on I have. i, as many do in this forum, love the Canucks. Why else would we be in here and talking about them???!?!??!? Uhmmmmm......errrrr.........
Go, Canucks Go!!!!!!
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6 hours ago, The Colt 45s said:
For decades they have been trying for coronaviruses, but for this one they speculate 18 months at the minimum. But with the way this virus acts so strangely, there will be many skeptical people. Is it really safe is a sincere question.
Yea. It'll be awhile. They'll be no scenario resembling a 'herd immunity' till there's a vaccine. And that's a ways off; if one is even developed that is. None for SARs, none for HIV, no vaccines for tons of past viruses or diseases. HIV was pretty much handled as Diabetes; drugs, treatment and monitoring so one can have normal lives symptom free.
Hell. I was surprised when Mumps came back a few years back!
COVID-19 is still in its infancy as far as knowledge of it goes. We thought it hit older peeps and those with compromised immune and lung issues. Now we know anyone, no matter their age or health can get it. We don't know if a person who's suffered and recovered from it can get it again.
Technology and science has progressed from the days of yor. Technology mostly. Sound scientific advice stands the test of time; social distancing and self isolation works to quell the spread. Technology allows faster results by virtue of the speed to which research is shared. The more minds, the better.
I get a flu shot every year. Have done so since 1992. I'm older and asthmatic. Of course being compromised by asthma and other old guy issues, well....that makes me a prime target for Covid's unrelenting charge. Other than being off work since mid March, my lifestyle is not much altered. Most, or all of my Canuck hockey is on TV. The ferry, hotels, plus ticket prices allow me very rare live attendance.
I sure hope we can get over this sooner rather than later.
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13 hours ago, Standing_Tall#37 said:
I dunno, Bure was 3rd all time for goals per game in nhl history. His scoring clip is higher than ovechkin’s even. Had he not had only 1/2 a career, his stats would be vastly higher and his legacy in the NHL would be much more respected League-wide.
I think there should only be 3 numbers in the rafters and arguably only 2 in GM place. 33,22 and maybe 10.
we have the same amount of retired numbers as teams who had players that were instrumental in winning them multiple cups
After looking at this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Vancouver_Canucks_players
I would say my line of thinking regarding this goes with the quote as above. In so much as the achievements of Nazzy and Trev's with our 'Nucks is substantial, they pale in comparison to the league wide achievements of 33, 22, and 10. The last sentence above says it all.
I realize individual team's have impressionable, beloved players who have nurtured memories of past glories, and the trend to honour them via number retirement seems, at least in part, a practice to keep season ticket sales strong. I guess ya' gotta give your fans their fleets of fancy, huh.
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5 hours ago, HKSR said:
The problem isn't Nazzy. The problem is the bar was set really low with Stan Smyl. Yes he was a heart and soul type player, but other than Vancouver, what other team ever mentions Smyl anymore when referring to the Canucks?
When people in the industry talk about the Canucks, it is always Linden, Bure, and the Sedins. Those 4 stand out above all the rest.
IMHO, only players of outstanding accomplishment should have their numbers retired. 99, 9, 66 and 4. Obviously, that's for the whole league. That being said........
When exactly did number retirement become a thing for individual teams?
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5 hours ago, HKSR said:
The problem isn't Nazzy. The problem is the bar was set really low with Stan Smyl. Yes he was a heart and soul type player, but other than Vancouver, what other team ever mentions Smyl anymore when referring to the Canucks?
When people in the industry talk about the Canucks, it is always Linden, Bure, and the Sedins. Those 4 stand out above all the rest.
IMHO, only players of outstanding accomplishment should have their numbers retired. 99, 9, 66 and 4. Obviously, that's for the whole league. That being said........
When exactly did number retirement become a thing for individual teams?
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Nope. I've cable TV and have the sports package. Not worth it to ma going the PPV route.
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Seems we've been revamping our D since 2011. The core then was Edler, Tanev, and Juice. Hammer added shortly before and Salo was a West Coast Express era leftover. Not a bad D-core at the time. Salo flew the coop, next Juice, then Hammer.
All along, the organization has been searching for additions to Edler and Tanev via free agency, (Garrison, Sbisa, Pouliot, Del Zotto, Bartowski.) or trade, (Clendening, Guddy, ) and prospects, (Hutton, Corrado, ) I'm pretty sure i'm missing some notable names, but you get the gist.
And they're still at it! However, after saying all that, I agree a revamping of our D-core is definitely required. I'm okay with Edler, Tanev, Hughes and Myers. The others can go, or keep them for depth. But then there's the cap/money issue isn't there. Which obviously is where a prospect comes in. Who would that be though.
Many in here think Tree is the man. But can he step in to the big team that easily. And I'm aware of Raf, OJ being talked about. I think Woo and Malone will be a few years.
Regarding, "The others can go," guys.......Time to get an impact player. AP, as mentioned earlier, though pricey, would make alotta' sense. In fact any player of his ilk will cost mucho dinero. I'm even okay with a hated one, Keith, Doughty, or ??!?!?!?? Not Chara though. Too old. And good luck getting the Hedmans and Ekblads of the world.
I'm sure JB and the crew have this in mind. They, just as we, are waiting for COVID-19's affect to wear off....
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I'm guessing a full polycarbonate face shield requirement. Other than that, anything else will alter the game dynamics.
As far as spitting? A few spittoons on each bench and the penalty box oughta do it.
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6 hours ago, Googlie said:
Well, I based it on Benning's own comments that they wouldn't have pursued TT had BB not been injured (and the expectation was that he was lost for the season)
(I can't find a way to attach the link to his interview video, but you can find it on the Canucks webpage)
I remember that interview. No worries. Still.......We sorta' have both of them now. I realize to keep Toffoli around will require a cap dump or trade to keep a competitive roster.
We're in a tough situation for sure in that regard.
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8 minutes ago, Baratheon said:
Guys you need to read at least some of the thread haha!
Cheers though! We all love Ripper!
I'll admit. I'm lazy that way. I'm old and my lower back gets sore if I hang in from of my iMac too long.
But yea. I use to be a Moderator on a Forum and I used to rag on members that didn't do Searches and stuff to save on Bandwidth. Thus is a much bigger forum than that one though.
Apologies. A reply that just wasted some bandwidth and is off topic to boot!
Gino left an impression on me too. But I'm sure all the hype of the day regarding him swayed me into thinking that. He was a tough customer though.
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On 5/3/2020 at 12:18 PM, DeNiro said:
BOESER is actually strong along the boards and his two way game has improved quite a bit. I don’t think you were watching him very closely this season.
There were many plays where he was the first one on the puck digging it out to Petey or Miller.
Either way I don’t think it has to be Boeser vs Toffoli. We should be trying to keep both and dumping cap in redundant players like Sutter, Eriksson, Benn, and Roussel. These players can be replaced by our depth much easier than the 60+ goals that Toffoli and Boeser bring.
As far as I'm concerned, the Flow is a keeper. Yes. He has had injury issues; personal setbacks that may, or may not have affect this short season. Nevertheless........
.....We can't forget his rookie season success. Dude made good as an All Star for our team and was MPV as such that weekend. How many hat tricks has he got!!!!!!
Anywho.......................
I like the aforementioned redundant players. But we do have to rid ourselves of contracts that will hinder our future for a cup running team. An impactful free agent or two, hopefully a stud D-man, would do wonders.
What's coming out in our prospect pool is very promising. And though it's not known if one or two of them can be impactful right away, at the very least we can be assured that we'll have depth for a SC playoff run.
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10 hours ago, grandmaster said:
Rick Rypien - 100%
How is he not on your list?
He truly was a legend. Fearless and took on guys all the time who were twice his size (and would win!)
I thought about as many fighters as I could that were 'Nucks and totally gapped out. Then I saw this and was reminded as to the warrior that he was. (RIP)
As far as pure talent in the fighting ring, he is it. Unfortunate of his tumultuous NHL career. He had talent in addition to his fighting skills.
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On 5/4/2020 at 5:13 PM, CaptKirk888 said:
Bad boy! must follow OP rules. See original post.
Truth be told, Imm, when I made this thread it was obviously just for fun and to pass some time during COVID isolation. And I recall somewhere in CDC a thread of this ilk, but using all Canuck players, via trade or whatever. I apologize. I got lazy!
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On 5/4/2020 at 10:20 AM, Googlie said:
For my money (and I know it's not) I'd retain Marky and Tanev and let TT go, if it boils down to just 2 of the 3.
Toffee was never brought in to be a complementary piece on the top 6, but rather as an injury replacement should BB be out until deep into the playoffs. We did just fine scoring-wise until BB went down (I don't remember Toffee on the scoresheet during the 2 long win streaks or in any of the 7 goal binges .... yes he did get 2 goals in the Boston rout, but they were the super insurance goals number 7 and 8)
Let's face it, scoring wasn't an issue. Defense was. So why wouldn't we try to resign our best defensive d-man?
As an aside, I think Stecher is gone. He'll get the Hutton treatment. No qualifying offer, then a much lower offer to see if he wants to stay in Vancouver, especially if JB can get Tree signed beforehand. I think Rafferty needs another 1/2 season in Utica to work on the defensive side of his game, but I do see OJ starting with the big club, understudying the Eagle. Even if he doesn't play many games initially, practicing and scrimmaging with the big club will help him immensely. But I think we will see a lot of Hughes/Tanev ... Edler/Tryamkin and Juolevi/Myers this next season.
While I'm with you on thoughts regarding our D, your thoughts on the reason for Toffoli's acquisition seem perplexing.
Toffoli's was courted by many other teams. And I can't help but to think that the the price we payed to lure him here is for nothing than a rental?!??!?!?!?!?
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13 hours ago, elvis15 said:
Call it a home run now, then find out what it would actually cost and realize what CDC's reaction would be. He won't be cheap if any sort of bidding war happens, and that's before thinking about term and how effective he'll be later on in that term.
AP would be pretty pricey; for any team for that matter. I meant only that our D could use a SC embattled warrior vet presence. Much like Babych did in the '90s.
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I'd be surprised if he didn't make the big team at some point. Would suck to have another Reid Boucher in the farm.
I would think before that happens, the 'Nucks would include him in a trade of some sort. But speculating of such things is ultra dumb. So.................
It's a wait and see thing..
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- Toffoli as a King was a Canuck Killer. Now he's killing for us and proving he's no fluke. We gotta sign and keep him for our near future cup run.
- Marky's been a project with us since acquiring him from Florida. It's my opinion that he's emerged as a proven #1. Good, proven #1 goalies are difficult to come by. We have one in Marky. I say we sign him.
- Tanev has proven that when healthy, he is an on ice stud. This shortened season has shown that. I would like to keep him too, but obviously ya' can't have it all in todays salary capped NHL. This is who we move.
I realize we need to move out some hefty contracts to pay Toffoli, Marky, and our young studs.
D-Man wise, without Tanev, unless we get something back via trade, free agency or whatever, we're screwed. The money juggling issue is key in keeping competitive.
I dunno....We might get lucky with one or two of the farm guys.
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I'm missing our Canucks for sure. However, SN and TSN, and even KING, are showing past games of all disciplines. I know it's not the same, but it's holding me over this Covid lockdown.
I've PVR'd quite a bit of hockey of interest to me. I binged the whole of the 2011 round 1 Nucks/Hawks. The 2010 Olympic Gold Medal game was fun to relive.
Anyone see the movie doc, The Russian Five? That's a good watch.
I'd like to see the '89 round 1 Nucks/Flames. Some of those late '80s Nucks/Jets I recall being exciting.
I recall the pundits of that '89 series implied that had the Nucks won that series, we'd have made big noise the rest of the way; to even getting to the big show and a good chance of winning. Anyone remember such??!?!?!?!??
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I knew Manny Malholtra was a Ranger draft, but I had to do some research on Andre Boudrias. Yea. Andre don't count. He was a Habs draft and played a few games for them in the mid '60s. wow....so long ago!
So how do you guys think your choices would do in todays NHL.
Hence the "Great Hall," reference.
TSN's All Time Canuck team
in Canucks Talk
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Perhaps. But Bure had great hands so the slap pass would've worked often. And let's not forget the patented Sedin long bank pass. With a streaking Bure able to negate any icing calls, this play would've resulted in multiple opportunities, 100% shots on goal, and who knows how many goals!