Maninthebox
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@RWJC Absolutey appreciate the articles. I don't live in BC and don't watch television, so these forums are where I come to get my Canuck fix. These articles may be fluff, but they are better than the Flames fluff I can find locally.
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2 hours ago, tas said:
it's in fact the least human and most animal thing about us. it's simian. reducing ourselves to chimps.
Ever try to open a stubborn pickle jar by talking about it's feelings? Everything in its right place.
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4 minutes ago, IBatch said:
Mathew and Brady beat the crap out of each other all the time. The world you're growing up in, is not the same as competitive sports. Do you think the Hughes brothers never had a go?
Slap fight!
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7 hours ago, iinatcc said:
Not just an American, but a Real American
Kinda hate that I love this song.
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Good choice. I wonder who he'll fight first.
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Would you re-sign Myers at $2.5mil for 2/3 years? Anyone?
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Thanks for the chat! Apologies for derailing the thread.
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4 hours ago, IBatch said:
People need to temper their expectations, for a one time 30 goal scoring very good 2C entering free agency with no deal in place ... what were you expecting? Same sort of stuff we had with Miller and NYR, AND he just had a 99 point season and had a year left on his team friendly deal. The return came in exactly like these ones do, a roster player (to make cap work, Beaus not a complete cap dump either, usually they are) Raty - who helped us go from 30th to 21st in the rankings from a year ago, considered our second best prospect ahead of Lekkermako, and a first rounder. What were you expecting? Multiple firsts? He's not Gretkzy.
From NYI? Dobson. Or walk. This wasn't a last minute deadline deal to unload a UFA asset.
Maybe it was the best offer on the table. Maybe PA actually targetted a smaller middle six winger he already had better versions of, and a prospect whose stock had fallen even before he was drafted. He does seem to like reclaimation projects. See Bear, Studnicka, Kravtsov, etc.
Virtually nobody liked the return from this trade when it occured, including some who have spoken up for it in this thread. Hindsight, and the subsequent Hronek aquisition, lend a different view. Beauvillier might be a solid player for us, Raty will likely become a useful player in the future. The 1st round pick is usually the prized asset coming back in these deals, and that 1st helped bring in Hronek. His future play and potential signing will determine the true value of the entire package from both trades.
For whatever reason people here want to downplay Horvat's value. Four straight 20+ goal seasons, 19 in the shortened season, 31 following that. On pace for 50+ at the time of the trade. Excellent on the dot, good on the powerplay, reasonable two way play. But he didn't punch people in the face and he had a loser mentality. It's all nonsense.
Player, prospect, and pick. Bottom line, Beauvillier is redundant, Raty is a low value prospect (almost?) every team passed on at the draft, and the 1st was needed (with the extra 2nd) to bring back the value Horvat was worth in the first place.
If that, and a long list of AHL and bottom of the roster signings, is impressive work for a newish GM, then I guess I'll be impressed.
Kuzmenko was a great piece of work, let's ask Mikheyev to be GM.
I'm not anti PA, or pro Benning, or any of that bs. I just find some of the reactions to PA's workings rather curious. Are we Canuck fans that used to disappointment?
@RWJC I don't know about EA NHL 23, but that trade didn't work in 22. Horvat didn't have the value...
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Raty for Pinto would be impressive.
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Are we really going to wax philosophical about the meaning of "meh"?
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5 minutes ago, Alflives said:
Again, you are totally wrong. Horfat Wallet was the elephant in our room. If we got nothing back it's a win just to dumperoo him and his selfishness. But we got three players better than him. That's winning.
Apologies Alf, I just can't take anything you say seriously. I've always respected Deniro's opinions on these forums, so hopefully he can enlighten me. Enjoy your re-runs!
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8 minutes ago, DeNiro said:
The scope of the deal can’t be known yet as Raty is still developing and Beauvillier can still bring a return.
Not to mention whether Hronek can be a core piece for us.
Then what is impressive..? Sub par return for Horvat, somewhat balanced by an arguably high cost to aquire the uncertainty of Hronek. What am I missing?
OEL buyout? Recent depth signings? If I was looking for a word to describe PA's dealing this past year, I think I'd lean toward "meh".
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The Horvat deal was far from impressive, and needed the Hronek deal to salvage it. Barely.
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All coaching is 'run by committee', this is just August hockey news.
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Reporters ask douchy questions.
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I like Bonk.
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Minor signings thread.
*flees*
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My opening night roster;
Che Lance Beercan
Raz Me Jay
Chris Mark Rando
Little Sean Big Shawn
Shannon Russ
Aaron
(Spence)
Lance is really good. Che can't skate but he toe drags his attackers and has a bomb. We call Beercan 'Beercan' cuz he collects all the empties to fund his weed habit, and we have too many Shawns.
Raz is lazy and gets shit on a lot. Jay is lazy but he's actually good, so he gets away with it. I'm solid af and do all the work but the refs never give me my points like wtf!
Chris sucks but always pays his fees so we keep him. Mark runs the team and fronts all the money so we overlook the fact he's pushing 90 or whatever. Rando is whichever rando shows up. Sometimes we have two Randos and it messes up the lines.
Little Sean's a great Dman. So is Big Shawn.
Shannon isn't a girl. Russ is a lawyer or something.
I hope Aaron starts, cuz Spence sucks and whines a lot.
We'll win the division and lose in the playoffs like every season. Traditions are cool.
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8 minutes ago, Alflives said:
We are getting 105 points this coming season. That’s for sure going to be at least a WC spot. More likely that gets us top 2 in our Division.
Optimism is a fine thing to have when one is thirsty, but that's a tall glass of water sir.
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21 minutes ago, Alflives said:
Your opinion. But actually Hronek is the much better player than Dobson. Dobson plays a sheltered role on the Island. Hronek was the stud on Detroit’s D.
They played very similar roles. The question I'll be curious to learn the answer to is if Hronek was being held back in that role. Where is his ceiling as the top rhd on a team?
The thread is about the Hronek trade, not necessarily about the player himself. I think the Horvat trade was the weaker deal, as aquiring Dobson in the first place would have made the subsequent trade moot. Unless anybody actually thinks we wanted Beauvillier...
You know what would have been really swell? Dobson AND Hronek.
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Hopefully 'we' can steal a wildcard spot from the central.
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I like Hronek. I'd have liked Dobson and that second round pick better.
[Trade] Canucks trade Bo Horvat to Islanders for Anthony Beauvillier, Aatu Raty, 2023 1st-round draft pick
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still a poo trade return