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44 minutes ago, Hairy Kneel said:
Man trading away all our top draft picks like welfare mom's at 1.49 day. Just stupid.
Well isn't that the way of the team since the 70's? Why build a team right? We've won so many cups doing it the opposite way!!!! Yeesh...
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How about just NO, I wouldn't make that move, it's time to stop signing over priced players and grow our own for a change, we don't have enough depth for a cup run and probably won't for the next 2 seasons and by the time the 3rd season starts we could already have someone in that spot if we draft a D with our 11th now or trade for D prospects who already look good at a fraction of the cost.
Since when did we EVER win running out and spending huge $ on UFA's in the last 40 years work for us, I don't know, like never!
#1 reason there is no visits by Lord Stanley yet and if we keep trying that road over and over
again it's not going to change.
Selling the farm doesn't and hasn't ever worked now so why keep trying it or evern thinking about it??? Like wtf??
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1 hour ago, Toews said:
So you believe only your subjective opinion is correct and everyone is stupid or "regurgitating the media b.s."? If so, that's a stunning level of delusion and arrogance.
I am not the one that has been defending Benning on this forum for years despite his stupid, short-sighted moves. I remember you insulting everyone who even mildly criticized Benning. Where's Benning now? How many jobs has interviewed for since he was let go?
Your such a twit, never did I say I was agreeable with everything JB did, however he did some good things too but hey genius, for your info, look how many people here and on other social platforms said we got fleeced by signing a 3rd line center, and one of the few of the media who got it right was Bob McKenzie, he knew JT played on Stamko's line and looked great doing it and noted Vancouver did great and he was no 3rd line center on any other team that didn't have the depth that Tampa had at the time but hey why would you believe that?
Oh wait, his first season he was toe to toe with OV in scoring and then proceeded to put up 100 pts.. yeah some overpaid 3rd line center hey? Bet you were one of them who fell for that b.s. that the vast majority of media was spewing out.
See? Your my prime example..
So tell me Mr Genius, your JB when he was hired, what would you have done in his shoes and be specific then tell me the 2 major hurdles he faced immediately that no other GM in the league couldn't have done anything about either...
If you can't, pretty sure that would make YOU the narcissist
Again, I never said anywhere JB didn't make mistakes as every GM does, but I'm not a idiot to say he didn't do good things too like you...
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11 minutes ago, Toews said:
Except the poster you quoted didn't say it was "all JB's fault". And anyone with a functioning brain is capable of coming to their own conclusions and doesn't need the media to formulate their own thoughts. Stop pretending like you are some sort of genius or higher authority just because you have a different opinion. I could easily follow your example and call you a "stupid fan" for not sharing my subjective opinion that Benning was an awful GM and his actions have screwed us for years to come. Thankfully though I am not arrogant or narcissistic enough to believe such nonsense.
Are you for real? So you have any idea how many people come on here regurgitating the media b.s. on here and swear up and down that's the way to go, as in whatever they happen to be saying at the time and sorry, I played hockey and watched this franchise since 1974 so yeah I do know what I'm talking about like it or not..
Let me guess, your in the one and done crowd who thinks we can buy a Stanley cup without depth? Probably, that's most of the fan base and that's been going on since day one.. has it ever worked? Lmao!
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On 6/15/2023 at 11:47 AM, CRAZY_4_NAZZY said:
6 months?!?
That would be like mid to late December before he would be cleared to play. He would've missed a lot of hockey and training time to get in shape and improve his game. That is like half the season right there. Now its about rehab and getting his shoulder back to strength, rather than building and finding growth in his game. I like Bear personally, but that is brutal news. This franchise needs to have players hitting the ground running and at full speed, to not equate another season like the past two.
Not sure I'd be willing to pay him 2+ mil at this point let alone giving him term. Man a huge miscalculation on Bear's part and it significantly hurts us now.
It's not like we can't get a 3rd pairing guy with his cap space which is probably going to happen, can't see us keeping him now, time is not on his side.
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On 6/14/2023 at 6:25 AM, NewbieCanuckFan said:
Translation: Linden was the one that brought Benning is so he is partially culpable in his own demise.
Amazing there are still Benning nut huggers. An average player that was a journeyman type of career as a Canuck that stuck a shiv in Linden's back while having an average at best performance as the GM of the Canucks after 7 years. I rank that up there with how Keenan treated Linden.
That's because a lot of us know it wasn't all JB's fault but keep listening to the media, they know everything right? Now you do... JB was probably one of the few people who would have actually came to Vancouver to take over the 2012 shi_ show
I wouldn't have, too many stupid fans who still listen and believe the useless bush league media, that's nothing new though...
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56 minutes ago, McBackup said:
I was largely being facetious. I don’t actually think we’ll win the cup next year. I was commenting on how shortsighted and desperate a move it is.
Well I think management was counting on more interest in Boeser and this was a just in case thing, albeit a expensive just in case thing nonetheless. Anyway, you guess why is as good as mine on it but I don't think they wanted to be behind the 8 ball until the last minute and have to sacrifice more like sweeteners, our 11th for instance, doesn't seem to me like they want to break up our current roster.
I'm not sure if Bear will be signed again either... It wouldn't surprise me if they reeled in his 2.4? Mil cap on top of this. Hard to say
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2 minutes ago, NewbieCanuckFan said:
Wait...that was following the mess left behind by Mike Gillis.
THIS! ^. I'd call it a disaster shi_ show but that's you being nice right? Lmao!
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1 minute ago, McBackup said:
Thanks
It's true, and this is the first time in our franchise history we could start building a team for once instead of trying to buy one... Will we do that? Idk but I sure the F hope so!
This is sooooo getting old don't you think?
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On 12/8/2022 at 10:28 AM, canuck73_3 said:
So drop a top 4 Dman, to look for a top 4 Dman which would result in no money saved? OEL is not as bad as all the whining here makes him out to be. Like not even close. Again OEL is NOT the problem.
Nice to see people getting that, I would have given him another shot and if he aced it at the beginning of the season, keep him or ask him to waive if anyone inquires about him, the way things are going, a top four D is going cost LARGE, sooner than later, long before his contract expires and it will even out his value in the long run even after he declines due to age.
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1 hour ago, McBackup said:
We better win the cup next year.
In your dreams..like we have depth for that, not so much.
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On 12/8/2022 at 10:24 AM, HKSR said:
June 16, 2023: UPDATED TO INCLUDE OEL BUYOUT with MULTI YEAR FORECAST.
SEE UPDATED SPREADSHEET HERE:
A crazy idea, but what do things look like if we bought out OEL?
The cap hits are as follows:
2023-24: $146,667
2024-25: $2,346,667
2025-26: $4,766,667
2026-27: $4,766,667
2027-28: $2,126,667
2028-29: $2,126,667
2029-30: $2,126,667
2030-31: $2,126,667
I'm gonna assume the following:
- Trade Myers with $2M retained for nothing but a pick or prospect
- Trade Pearson with $1.2M retained for a pick or prospect
- Horvat re-signed at $8M AAV
- Kuzmenko re-signed at $7M AAV
- Various raises for the other pending FAs (Hoglander, Bear, etc)
Buys us some time to move Boeser later = more leverage in a deal.
Would be a lot easier to find a solid shut down top 4 LHD.
Thoughts?
And done! Never saw it coming or thought it would happen but..
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3 hours ago, ilduce39 said:
I think people underestimate the parity in the league.
We’re a good game from Demko away from beating anyone.
I wouldn’t bet on that holding up over a 7 game series, let alone multiple series, but this roster can also score like crazy.
Learning team defence / transition is the biggest key and it’s also something we can improve on without adding players.
So… I don’t feel silly thinking we could have a pretty good squad next year. I’m more worried about that fragile loser mentality that’s been sinking in the last few seasons. But we jettisoned the coach and captain. Hopefully that helps.Well we need a cpl of short term contracts and fill those gaps with our own developed picks so we stay under cap and have a good team BUT we still have to picks coming in so odds work for us that we have a few developing that can cover injuries as well.. and keep it competitive on top of it.
Ummm that fragile broken actually started in 2012/13 after Boston put us down, and did they ever, not just for the Stanley cup, for years of being fragile except for the odd run when we went on winning streaks here and there but injuries would happen and we'd go on losing streaks too.
But we never had any depth and that's still our main concern, can't win a cup without it...
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1 hour ago, Dr. Crossbar said:
This was an actual quote from a Chicago Cubs fan at the start of the 2016 season before they finally won the world series.
Remind me to cross my fingers! Honestly though, wish we could have traded half the roster, if not more in 2013 and started to build a team for once but MG had most of it all locked up long term.
Meh.. such be the life of a nux fan right?
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4 hours ago, PhillipBlunt said:
Well, after the last decade, I don't blame folks having frayed nerves and some bipolar attitudes these days.
You mean like after the last 4 decades plus right? However there is a ton of stupid bipolar fans in Vancouver STILL screaming for the one and done scenario and there lies the stupidity, like that's ever worked before? NOT!
Wish someone could fire the bush league media where it is still pushed for it and probably always will, some of the lame brains media "finally" got it that trying to buy a roster and having no depth isn't going to win _hit EVER but still pushing to get more forwards every draft and trade, so now we have a logjam at forward and lousy D..
Yeah fun stuff.. sorry I don't have the same patience for stupidity as you do. I spent way too long putting up with it and moved on, will call out anyone's bull_hit any day of the week, especially the stupidity that comes in the form of the media especially but it truly is
"the blind leading the stupid"
It's getting old btw.. just saying...
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Watch... We win four in a row to start the season and everyone will be planning the parade.. lose 4 and tear it down, trade everyone.. same thing different year...
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On 6/9/2023 at 5:54 AM, Alflives said:
We will be better than all teams next season that don’t get to our 105 points.
Demko, Hughes, Hronek, Petey, Miller. That’s an elite core.Add Mik and Kuz to that.. Kuz and Miller have helped us win shootouts we'd normally lose, reality wise we're probably 2 more seasons away but it will depend on our depth or lack thereof at the time, especially on D.
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On 6/8/2023 at 2:33 PM, Strawbone said:
I can't judge Benning while ignoring the Eriksson and OEL signings. He did those things, and it's all way too hypothetical to imagine a world where he did not, as surely other deals would have happened instead.
It's a bit like evaluating someone on a driving test, where they followed all the rules of the road and did just fine, except that they ran over a pedestrian and crashed in to a school bus. Benning fails his driving test!
And disregard this total shi_show of a 2012 team with locked in contacts into the next f'n century, literally, that any GM in the leagues history would have labeled it a disaster and said FU to the job offer..
And then most of the Vancouver fan base who are clueless as F!
Proof yet again? Same thing, let's sell the farm for one cup, yet it never worked, now if that isn't clueless and stupid, I don't know what is but it's been the flavor of the day since who knows how long. Yet fans keep screaming for it year after year... Oh wait if we keep doing that we "might" win one by 2123...
Brilliant! Genius even!
Left to Vancouver fans, we'd have a rebuild every year...
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7 minutes ago, Bob.Loblaw said:
So where'd did you get this idea that hockey was invented by Canadians? It simply wasn't. Canadians developed ice hockey as an organized sport in Montreal, but less organized forms of the game were developed in Northern Europe and also by various First Nations.
I also mentioned earlier how the Americans are already starting to catch up to us in talent, both quantity and quality. We have our own history, and they have theirs. Bragging about it just makes us seem pathetic.
First, I don't care what Americans are "starting to do"
It's been Canadian's paving the road to what hockey is today, better for you? Simply go back and look at all the American teams over the years and tell me how many Canadians captained their teams? And then ask yourself why that is?
And you seem pathetic not to get the point.. which you clearly don't...
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21 hours ago, Bob.Loblaw said:
Did you ever notice how out of the current Canadian teams we have 3 American captains and only 2 Canadian captains...
Quit this gloating.
That's because most are signed to USA teams, and I can gloat if I f'n well want, we even invented hockey so, don't like it? Too bad, so sad..
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Did you ever notice how many American NHL teams have had Canadians as captains over the years?
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I stumbled upon this guy on YouTube reacting to things in Canada as a typical American, but this was his best one and I bet Ryan Kessler would be pissed, remember when he said hockey isn't "Canada's game?"
Well Ryan, have a look at this!
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On 8/22/2020 at 10:54 PM, Goat James said:
This has got to stop. Benning has overseen the Canucks during a six year rebuild where we’ve been the worst team in the league. “His drafting is amazing”: well yeah, when you routinely get top 5 picks it usually turns out ok. Plus he’s missed on two top 10 picks (Virtanen and Joulievi).
We just managed to squeeze into the playoffs, and our cap is a total mess. He’s handed out too large too expensive contracts to bottom line players, and this will severely hinder our future (what happens when both Elias and Quinn need ~$10 million contracts in a year?
Sure, he hasn’t been all bad but to even suggest that he’s the best GM in our franchise’s history is laughable. (I remember during the fall of Torts’ season where someone hade a thread saying “Torts is the best coach in Canucks history” just ‘cause we’d had a hot start. This is in the same vein.)
Simply this, Benning was "ok", I'am, and always will be on the fence about him but I always take into account the *shi_show" this team was when he took over, the whole team was mentally broken and no team identity whatsoever except broken AT best and MG had us locked in for f'n forever and the Luongo fiasco still haunted us until recently, and overpaid contracts as well because this is, well Canada and most have to be overpaid to come here to play in the second tier market opposed to L.A. NYR. etc as top tiered player destinations.
And for the record, every GM in Canucks history tried to buy a cup by way of a depthless roster instead of over the long haul actually building a team for once.
And so we're not elite, and we never were anything more than a 1 trick pony, then down the tubes again..
Fun story hey? Not so much, but what's new? At least Benning tried, ok so he was far from perfect and made mistakes but as far as trying to keep people in the stands by keeping the Sedins around and others while trying to add players and then go after picks was as much as anyone could do in the same circumstances because, I don't give a F what some folks overlook that no GM can overwrite contract law.
Yeah, ok at best, JB could have been worse or better, but in the first place FA should have went after a more experienced GM in the first place... Was so not impressed with that!
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5 hours ago, Citizen Erased said:
Wait it out a year.
Who knows how the season will unfold? It’s possible with the structure put in place by the coaching staff and a healthy Demko, that the Canucks can compete for a playoff spot.
If not and things go south fast again, keep players on expiring contracts until the deadline and get picks/prospects in return.
Ummm it was a weird year last year, we fell apart as our D got decimated by injuries, and this part we need to solve is depth at D and so we sank hard, Demko wasn't standing on his head and it just fell apart.
This is why we need to go after as many D prospects and picks and not stop until we're loaded up.
We spent so much on forwards that should have been D instead but NOW is when we need to go after it in spades.
Enough is enough! Seriously, why settle for good when there's elite?
All the best teams have had D depth, why on earth do we think/have thought, we could somehow skip that part ffs?
It just doesn't work that way for Mr. Stanley sad to say...
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[Proposal] Hannafin for first 2023?
in Proposals and Armchair GM'ing
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No one remembers PA saying he might try and search for a RHD and 3C from within? I'd rather give our prospects a shot and some experience anyway to see how they're progressing and Myers is off the books next year anyway with half his salary headed for Petey and Podz and other bottom 6 who will need small raises like Hogs and have some in the bank for Kuz.
This year we could snag a nice shot at a future top 4 D with our 11th and draft a D as well with our first.
We're not sitting in a bad spot IF we do make a point of sticking to building from the goalie out with D first, pretty simple BUT actually doing it WITH DEPTH as it should have been but never has been done here yet .. can't skip D depth for F sakes! Lmao!
Are we ever going to learn that lesson?
At the end of the day that's in JR/PA's hands, can it just be this once? Please FFS!!!!
Yeah normally for this team, it's fun to watch winning lots during the season beating some of the league's best but I watch every year knowing we won't get anywhere in the post season because of simple lack of depth...
Entertaining seasonal hockey is fun yeah but watching some other team hoist the cup is getting a tad old every year...