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6 hours ago, DownUndaCanuck said:
I think wait it out. It'll be interesting to see where we are around the TDL. If we're nowhere near a playoff spot we're in big trouble, but at least we can trade a bunch of our players and retain a bit (eg. trade Myers 50% retained or something to a contender, I bet Toronto would bite). Beauvillier's contract is due to expire too, he'd be a great rental trade, if we retained 50% again he's a bargain.
If we're somehow in or near a playoff spot, no need to panic. I think we let Myers walk, we've got to do something with Beauviller otherwise we lose value for nothing, and likely re-sign a bunch of our expiring contracts (eg. Petey and Hronek) with Myers money.
OEL is going down with the ship, no questions about it, but if we can bury him on the bottom pairing I have no problems with that - we just need budget guys in our top-4 then. We've got Hughes and Hronek who are great, but we need two more guys to make it work long-term.Our cap situation isn't going to be great in a year though - Myers 6M out, Beauvillier 4M expiring, we'll need to give Petey a 3-4M raise, Hronek probably a 1-2M raise, Podkolzin will probably have a big year and deserve a raise, Joshua and Aman will be due a contract as well, it'll be tight for sure.
Myers buy out? It's not worth it, we're not doing anything big next season so why bother, OEL still has top pairing in him, that's up to T to help him bring that out again, I bet he thought he was back in Arizona last year, however at least he has that potential and if we can get him back to that, we're golden.
Imo, this is season is a turning point, and the biggest thing is how Hogs n Podz make it.
BB and Garland are pretty much out of here and if JR pulls a gooder, then we'll be fine.
As in trading for prospects and picks, and then have plenty of cap space. We're certainly not in that bad of a position as the media would have you believe but their not that bright and want to keep signing forwards, only a few have clued in we need lots of D depth.
I find it funny as hell that the media finally get around to talking about stuff the CDC has been talking/debating for awhile now, and it happens a lot. Maybe they should troll the CDC for better write ups?! I've seen quite a few very well written articles here than what those F-tards can come up with...
Anyway, past all that, one thing I'm happy about is the way Silovs showed lately, would be great to have a bonafide back-up in case last season repeats itself in the future and Silovs can come in and help win games.
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On 6/4/2023 at 11:07 AM, Alflives said:
From what Allvin says our owner is not going to okay a big cost buyout, like OEL. JR announced several times last summer and into fall he didn’t want our owner paying for three head coaches at the same time. (Reported by Seravelli that JR tried to convince our owner to move on from BB last summer but our owner refused) So no way our owner will spend 20 mil to buyout OEL.
Not sure about OEL being bought out, probably FA is waiting to see a possible resurrection of his old self, and the BB move, I don't recall him mixing it BUT that was the right move as his stock was too low, thankfully he got better so it's not so bad now but dealing him then, imo was a bad idea.
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On 6/2/2023 at 1:27 AM, Kevin Biestra said:
Brashear was a hell of a tough guy. I wasn't the biggest fan of his fighting style in terms of entertainment - more of a Lennox Lewis than a Mike Tyson - but they were his brain cells and I can't blame him for protecting them. All while going close to undefeated.
Was also good for about 8 goals year in and year out. Not too shabby for a goon.
Yeah actually, he wasn't a bad player like you'd expect from a goon, saw him bury a few really nice ones, wasn't a bad skater either and obviously hit like a tank
Scale down the "goon" bit, speed it up, skill it up and there's the mold we need more of!
I wish.
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On 5/7/2023 at 7:45 PM, Alflives said:
Brock stays. He’s a line driver. The Smurf is gone .
Well sorry to bring this up Alf but he's had a serious back injury and wrist struggles as well, I'd rather not gamble on that, plus he's not that good defensively, yes he's got a bit better but it's never been his strong suit and never will, it's not his game.
We just can't afford that, and yes thankfully the Smurf is out of here but I wish he was 6'2 and 220, he'd love to throw his weight around but it's simply not the case.
Like I said before, both don't have that great of a D game so they can go and we still have guys who can score. That's not our issue, team D is, and players can't play D really well need to go.
I don't disagree with you much Alf but on this I do, last season really showed our lack of it, let alone depth.
This isn't new, you know that.
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On 2/6/2023 at 11:41 AM, kanucks25 said:
It's not about having a goon on the roster.
It's about playing hard, back-checking, board battles, battles in front of the net, blocking shots etc. All the clichés but it matters.Need to be "hard to play against". Other teams need to know they will have to work their butts off if they want to win.
Well either trading for prospects that have skill and a mean streak, just like T himself would be welcomed additions BUT it's a fine balance between have enough toughness not to take any ____! And have pushback, and skilled guys, if you haven't thought about it, every team that has ever won the SC is the best balanced team with both sides and the closest to it battles it out and then it's down to depth, injuries happen to every team in the playoffs.
That's why we've never won one, we were close a few times but lack of depth shot us in the foot and it was self induced selling picks off for a roster..
So we obviously need depth in tough/skilled as well and that isn't going to happen overnight unless JR pulls off some sort of miracle to help us jump start more in that direction after we've settled D but wouldn't hurt there either.
Someone has to crease clear..
It wouldn't take a lot, just 3-4 and we could put 1 on D at least and I think we'd do ok..
Keep in mind, tougher players have can some pretty good skill too and that's exactly what we need.
That's why I'm a fan of trading Boes and Garland.
Don't get me wrong, I like both of them and always have but they don't suit that mold at all.
Think a slightly bigger 2012 Canucks with depth...
Big, fast, tough, hard forechecking.
THAT'S hard to play against..
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On 2/6/2023 at 11:22 AM, Kevin Biestra said:
Sergio Momesso to wardrobe.
and Brash.. our toughest ever player.. loved having him on our team, he'd take on ANYONE! Ask McSorely.. he ate Brashear's served up knuckle sandwich's a few times!
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3 hours ago, canuck73_3 said:
Then we’d need at least 1 or 2 top/middle 6 wingers which won’t be any cheaper, so moving all 3 makes absolutely no sense.
We're not doing anything except best scenario a shallow playoffs run so why would you say that without giving either Hogs and Podz a chance first? Both were/are second line projections, or 3rd line worst case.
See? This exactly what I mean, we need to start to get our farm rolling instead of selling it out, we only drafted both of the recently and we need to know how they are going to fit in or not, you can't do that if you don't continue giving guys experience ESPECIALLY when we're not going to run out and win the Stanley cup in the next 2 seasons, even 3 is about our trajectory in roster and depth. Depth especially.. since it takes 2-3 years to develop most young picks and that leads to also signing prospects who are trending in the right direction but in a deep team that will be tough to crack that wants a shot elsewhere.
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31 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said:
I have been on the move Beauvillier train, Boeser isn’t the only option to move out.
I'm ok with all 3 gone actually, that clears up the cap space problem and then some, then we're after a 3c and D and D prospects. This should not be difficult!
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4 hours ago, canuck73_3 said:
Disagree entirely
We have enough scoring wingers, you do think so?
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9 minutes ago, MeanSeanBean said:
Gonna level with you, I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. I think we're having a completely different conversations here. I was talking about the fans in the arena and the game atmosphere Tryamkin was talking about, and got a rant about the big bad media.
For the record, do I want depth? Of course. Would I take a 1 and done cup run that ends with us finally bringing Lord Stanley back home at the cost of every prospect and draft pick in our system. In a heartbeat.
You asked me about my thoughts on the fans on your reply post..
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5 hours ago, MeanSeanBean said:
Don't bite, shoot. We are all here for the same reason, to have conversations about the canucks and share our opinions. Do you think we have a top tier atmosphere at Rogers? In my experience, I think it's the most quite NHL arena I have been in. We have a small group of absolute die hard fans, like those of us with thousands of posts on a fan forum. I reckon no other teams fan base knows as much about a teams cap structure as us here on CDC. But we also have a huge amount of fair weather casual fans, and the cost of seats to our games cause tickets to go to people who can pay to be there, not always the people who desperately want to be there.
is what I'm saying out of line?
Not at all Sean, I should have specified, I mean the fans who believe and drink the media cool-aid and jump on whatever flavour of the day even though most of what the media comes up with is purely opinion to start of with and mis-directing non factual bullshi* that's laughable YET and a certain amount refuse to take the stance from watching fans screaming for a one and done cup every f'n year for so long it's not funny!
And here's how that goes, sell the farm of picks for a set roster but obviously no depth for said set roster so when injuries hit, we're screwed and that's usually first round of the playoffs... Since when does a depthless team ever win a cup ffs?
Ok so settling for a fun to watch seasonal team that can rack up wins like no tomorrow but soon as the injury bug hits... Done like dinner!
When I think of all the times I've seen it happen over and over again..
Wtf are you thinking and why would you want that when it's never worked?! Why scream for it?
I just don't get it, those are the fans I mean and they are LOTS!
But seriously! Thankfully for those that want to see a real build that supplies competition via developing depth so you HAVE to go all out to keep your roster spot and the team not missing a beat when roster player/s are sick or injured.
This is what most fans who scream for the one and done are missing, I'd rather have a team with depth that has a legit shot every year instead..
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3 hours ago, canuck73_3 said:
Boeser significantly improved under Tocchet, defensively and started hitting more.
Yeah but he's still redundant
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45 minutes ago, MeanSeanBean said:
Nothing's wrong with a player calling it out, I never said it was wrong. I said he also had some issues with the city, which based off his comments I believe to be true. I like honesty, I think more NHL players should honor their personality more like we see in other sports. But if he didn't like the homeless problem of a handful of years ago, I'd reckon he'd hate it now that it's far worse. If weed bothered him, I'm sure the fact we legalized it isn't a selling feature.
To be fair though, our fans are.. fine. If his reason for coming back was the fans (if he didn't like the management and city) I actually think he'd be better off going to a market that has a more engaged barn. One of my biggest issues with the team is how quite our home ice is most the time. Gotta reckon if his selling point is fans he could go to a team with a louder fan base and quiter media.
We'll see if I'm wrong, but I don't even think we are in contention to sign Tryamkin, even IF he does come back to the NHL, which I'm 50/50 on.
Idk he's been following us and commenting now and again..
The fans fine? Oh biting my tongue here..
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On 3/29/2023 at 7:53 PM, cripplereh said:
We have so far maybe at best three D and the rest need upgrades.Our 7th to 9 seem decent.
We need two solid more D men in our group if we want to get past the first round and second.
If not then we make the playoffs and that's it.
Our forwards are looking better but still need another good center.
Thus off-season two D and a center and we are golden.
As true as most of that is, I disagree with our forwards playing better, I'd argue that maybe to some degree but nowhere close to what it needs to be to be elite
At any rate yeah we need a cpl of bigger skilled D to round us out, and a 3rd line center with decent skill isn't that hard to find...
Why we really lack is depth and until we have it, we're not going far.
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1 hour ago, VegasCanuck said:
You can't stand on the street and drink a beer, should be the same with weed. Ticket and fine them!
I agree, it's not like there aren't tons of places you could smoke weed so that it's not bothering anyone. All it calls for is a bit more respect to others and out yourself in their position.
I smoke cigs and I do stay away from doorways or air intakes, and just stay away from people so they don't have to smell it.
It's just basic respect.. it's the same scenario about camping spots that are left covered in garbage, how much effort does it take to clean up after yourself? Enough so that someone else doesn't have deal it. End of story...
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3 hours ago, MeanSeanBean said:
He specifically had issues with the city on top of everything about the organization.
“There is such. Addict, that’s really it. Everyone smokes grass everywhere. The city is all in smoke. There is still a street – I do not remember what is called. So there even in a car it’s scary to go. A lot of bad guys. They can not stand on their feet, but they still smoke without stopping. There is such chaos – a really devastated street.
They smoke everywhere. There is not something that smells of grass – it stinks, everywhere is stinking. Okay this drug street, where these guys settle, but in downtown, in the center of the city stank the same. We lived on the tenth floor – even there, it used to smell. This is how much you need to smoke? It seems to me, it was possible to stick the receiver out of the window and inhale”.
So based off some of his comments back in Russia, he wasn't a big fan of the life style here in Vancouver. Even if this leadership has changed at the helm, what does that matter? He has no loyaility or past relationship with our current regime.
We'll see if he even comes to the NHL. Wouldn't be shocked if this is another play to get a bigger contract in the K, just like last time.
Well in a sense I feel for him, I've walked into a cloud of weed smoke before around a corner heading out to dinner and ended up reeking like weed, I wasn't impressed.. not to mention pissed off and I've seen people continue to walk down the street with little kids right in front of them. Smoke weed? Cool whatever BUT be cool about it ffs!
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44 minutes ago, D-Money said:
Try already came to Vancouver, and didn’t like it. Why…of all 32 cities/teams…would he come back here?
Look who was at the helm back then opposed to now... Completely different team and management/coaching...
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On 2/2/2023 at 4:47 PM, -Vintage Canuck- said:
Damn you Vinny! Teasing like this! Omg I still remember the Dallas game, THAT was classic!
Brashear was the only player we ever had that could throw other full grown big men around like ragdolls..
Omg I don't remember being so happy about a player since Bure, and Dallas got it with our then Russian to the jaw of Churla, mother of all elbows, I bet Dallas fans hate us to this day lol from that and Tryamkin.
But having players with that attitude PLUS being 6'7, Tryamkin and other size upgrades, it would be nice for a change to see a bigger team that could hold its own in a slugfest playoffs to Stanley, could we do that now? Hardly! Let's not kid ourselves, we have nor the size, nor depth but that could change, IF RT has his say in it and I believe he has something of a influence.
Actually 2-3 more guys with size and a RT attitude when he used to be on the ice is exactly what we need and the more the better..
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On 5/9/2023 at 9:16 AM, clutesi said:
Miller's getting up there, he'll start to decline soon. Then who is the no. 2 centre? Our defence is grim, OEL is done and the Chaos Giraffe is bad. Ownership needs to understand fans would actually like to watch a young team grow into a winner over a few years. At least the goal is the Stanley Cup. This approach of being barely mediocre, with a couple of stars to squeak into the playoffs and lose, isn't working. I'm not looking forward to watching Chicago grow into a Stanley Cup fave.
I know this was awhile ago but I disagree on Miller to start off with, you can tell her in good shape and doesn't have a extensive injury background, and I'll point to others like OV who are still racking up points and Miller simply has too much skill to drop of the edge or even anything close to it.
Notice we have a decent 2nd tier group besides Petey and Miller? Mik was one of the best signings we've done in awhile, one of the fastest skaters in the league, Then Kuz, self explanatory, I also expect this year Podz will turn it on especially with more ice time to work on his game and he was trending when he got injured but you can bet he's going to be working his ____ off all summer. Then Hogs, already showing a ton of good things with more ice time and coaching to hone his game as well and we shouldn't be surprised by this as both are still fairly young in their progression. Now both just need big club play which they will have a chance, they both have a great skill set, it's just a matter of upping their dgame and being consistent. Both were/are second line projections and it's a wait and see who gets 2nd and 3rd line duties.
PA commented possibly filling those positions from within and that probably means a serious look at both before making a move IF either one doesn't work out but both would be a cost affective UFA signing.
Then there's the Boeser/Garland/11th scenario if that factors in as in a trade..
I think we all know it's a bit early for predictions but I think it's ok this one last time if we need to trade our pick in a package to a Boeser like player who can score but has a edge and size this team is looking for, and a RHD who doesn't need to score a lot but shuts down instead.
You don't need scoring from the backend to be highly successful so long as their better at keeping the puck out of ours including crease clearing, the biggest guy on D we have is Myers and he's gone soon so that makes it all that more important to size up anywhere we can.
If we don't, we may still get into the playoffs BUT we'd never get far and we've had enough of that in the past.
What JR and AL do in the next 2 years can basically make or break us..
We're in a lot better of a position now with all the old guard gone, and now with a couple of key moves to fill out the roster, we can keep every pick from now on and just build a farm that provides depth from development, and good depth so we don't lose games to roster guys getting injured.
As always, cautiously optimistic, waiting to see if now, for once we won't have to continue to sell picks for a set roster after the tweaks are done, will we truly will push for being a hard forechecking, fast, O and D skilled team.
with depth.
Wouldn't that be a thing for once?!
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On 2/26/2023 at 8:49 AM, myre said:
"Burrows do we really need him?"
Imagine if OEL made the OP regret this thread just like Burrows did!
One can dream I guess.
I remember that, never have I saw anyone get flamed that bad here EVER! I could just imagine the look on DLC's face as she read that... That old motley crue song comes to mind, Looks that Kill!
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On 2/24/2023 at 4:44 AM, 48MPHSlapShot said:
We'd better hope he can regain something resembling top 4 form, because we're stuck with him.
Well it's a case of the whole team playing like they mean it, otherwise it will bring anyone down and he was playing ok until the whole team nose dived EXACTLY back to the Arizona scenario, which was probably the pushing point to him losing his mojo again, maybe something like this, you leave a job because the co. Is a $hitshow, promised a better job elsewhere but the same result, another $hitshow and that exactly where we went to start the season.. how could that not take your heart out of it, as in back to, not a chance of ever winning a cup "headspace" that existed here before he ever got here, simply in the last 12 years with so many contracts locked in for so long with broken players, it's not rocket science to know it would take a LONG time to even get back to odds with everyone else in the league including Lou's recapture for so long.
In that situation, you'd get a country (who the f cares) club, or something to that affect.
I fully expect RT to help him get back to his AAA game and if there's ever a time for that to happen it's right now!
How would that play out for the best results? The whole team needs to be all in.. if that actually happens, he will buy in too.
Well to what degree, idk but without that.. it doesn't matter who we sign if we can't get a team that plays a hard fast game exactly like 2011/2012 roster that was so hard and fast on the forechecking and hitting, it caused a lot of goals and got us as far as it did. .
IF we ever get back to that, or something as close as possible, then we we'll have a actual shot at Stanley if we actually keep loading up on picks and prospects for the future FOR A CHANGE!!
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How about "none of the above"?! None are particularly great at D, that's a quality we need unless everyone forgot about last year really quickly when it was proven we were playing a overall crap D game, not just the D.
It's not hard to figure out Boeser, Garland, and Beau could easily translate into a quality 3C, a 3rd pairing RHD and still have a decent amount of cap left over for raises.
And we don't NEED any of them really, we need Hogs to step it up and at least jump into a 3rd line spot and Podz the same and jump up to second line duties when we need it and not miss a beat so we don't lose hockey games if we lose someone to injury, sickness, whatever.
Right now though, as in a to do list, continuing to go after depth, not just fill in roster players.
Injuries ALWAYS happen, and if there's fans who should remember this and be fans of build through depth instead of selling it, that should be us, yet is it? Not for the last 40 years, and a lot still hold onto that doomed to fail way of thinking.. almost seems to me like.. being addicted to winning during the season with a smaller depthless team and make the playoffs without a hope of ever winning it..
I can't figure it out, why keep the same idea that never got us shite? Usually booted out of the playoffs first round was annoying but to be expected as usual.
And the media just can't help themselves to push it too..
Is this ever going to end? I certainly hope so for once!!
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2 hours ago, Drakrami said:
I dont get the point of this post.. You are basically saying we ace the same lineup from 22/23 and our cap will be ok. Well duh, our cap was ok for 22/23.
A few questions though.
Are we going with Silovs as backup? The #1 problem with last season was we cheaped out on goalie. Demko crapped the bed. And Martin is not NHL calibre, let alone take over starter job when Demko got injured. This was a JR mistake. Benning always made sure we had goalie depth.
3C?
Re-signing Bear or getting some quality defensive depth?
Each of those questsions cost a few million. Now that's your cap problem.
Silovs has seemed to have amped up his game and shutting the door in the world's, him working with Clark so it doesn't surprise me.
Enough to steal the back-up and run with it? It's hard to get a read on that but maybe a confidence boost and the work he put in with Clark is starting to take off, the best we can do is hope, but we can still afford to let Garland and Boeser go and sign a roster Dman and a prospect/pick D and then see how that pans out and then a 3C.. or Hogs steps in, now that he has more experience but still assume 3C might have to come through a trade.
What helped this along the most is Kuz showing up and making either Boeser or Garland redundant.
Right now 2 big questions are how Hogs n Podz will traject up or down.
However Boeser and Garland who started to trend up at the end of the year might be the key to the very new future IF we play our cards right..
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Disagree... We have enough forwards, if your going to trade basically a top 10 pick in a decent draft, and nowhere near enough depth on D, why trade for a forward that is more readily available normally when the whole league is short D, especially RHD, let alone a PMD with size to crease clear for Demmer paired with a offensive rushing D like Hughes (not a big guy) to look out for him.
If I had my way, I'd have every pairing like that.
And depth to cover.. I'd be drafting and trading for D prospects and picks until we have lots!!
Both save us cap space and help with ELC's
Bottom six forwards are a lot easier to find, I'd start at D first.. and then go after a 3rd line center (2-3 yr contract tops) and also trade for prospects to fill that ourselves and not pay top dollar when we don't have enough depth for a serious cup run NOW anyway, could we do it in 2 years? Idk I'd bet on 3..
But imo, I'd get D done first or at least have priority. AND continue to aim to be a bigger faster team...
Everyone knows what the playoffs are like, Smurf teams never make it.. period..
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Cap… Wait it out a year or pay a price to make space?
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I cant agree on what you said about Boeser, if you said that before his started to catch fire in the last 15 or so games, I'd have wholeheartedly agreed with you but he was scoring and he seemed to have his head sorted out better, confidence I mean.
Garland the same and pulled of a statement hat trick which was on highlight reels for everyone to see so that helped his cause a lot as well..
Anyway we can agree to disagree on Boeser's situation but the point remains why throw away cap when that will only hurt us later when we aren't going on a cup run this year for sure, simply we don't have enough depth for that YET..
That's why I'd trade for prospects or picks and keep building instead of stopping and us winding up with another broken core and start all over again however long down the road that is... It's gotta stop, this one and done b.s. has never worked and it never will, we're ok as long as we wait things out and not shoot ourselves in the foot! Again......