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Boes and Garland for prospects or picks.. do the math.. Edit: So it's 11 mil, we have raises and this is the year of Hogs and Podz.. Can Hogs crack the line-up if he goes all in a summer regime of on/off the ice training and same with Podz. How those 2 do has a lot of bearing how the rest of next season plays out and all we can do is wait and see... Hogs showed a ton of improvement but still needs tuning and Podz was odd man out but Abby helped him with ice time, if I'm Al and JR, I'm putting the Sedins on those 2 for extra training. And on top of that Woo with Gonchar, Woo is improving just in time to become depth help but needs to get some big club practice exp.. If they work out then that will save us a ton of headaches trying to sign and get new faces up to speed and that's hardly necessary any time soon. If there's one franchise that's been a historic player turnstile other than some mainstays like other clubs, it's been a long line... I can hardly imagine a good set roster with depth to go on a gruelling cup run.. Meh... Who knows...

No you offer him 7-7.5, KNOWING the price for top 4 RHD is continuing to climb and in 2-3-4 onward in years, 7-7.5 million a season will look pretty damn good! Don't kid yourself..

Hronek? Your saying we got fleeced? Omg that's because you haven't seen him play all that much have you? Be honest! A top 4 RHD with good offensive upside doesn't grow on trees in the NHL, and if some is growing some ala pick to time developing and it's looking good then your going to probably keep it with the shortage and demand in the league for RHD's, let alone offensive ones and that keeps the price going up. There doesn't need to be anything flashy about him, his upside offensively is obvious and he is a great passer and reads incredibly well. These types of D are hard to find and sign before someone else does, the same thing was said about JTM by the media and now their looking like complete idiots. We did extremely well picking him up, the only thing we really need besides good roster signings for depth and if we keep picking D on draft day until we have enough then we can move on. We're fine.. steady as she goes, slow and sure wins! You'd think Canucks fans more than anyone would get that since we have no cup due to tried short cuts that never worked. Oh because of lack of depth? Yes it's nothing new...

Fair... However either side of the argument is speculation, too bad he didn't have a full healthy season for a change, I think that would have helped his cause but he picked it up in the 2nd half like everyone, even chaos giraffe was playing better! And Garland's hatty sure helped but probably not much. Both would be welcome additions on a more than a few rosters. We just have to make it worth their while and that's doable and long as we don't end up shooting ourselves in the foot over it...

Yes the Canucks curse... Nothing trumps it..

Gretzky, 109 crying towels used in a season, 43 in the playoffs, what a crying, sniveling little biotch when things didn't go his way...

Ummm yes I do hate Edm BUT that's what you get when you pay 2 players that much money, the depth around will be exposed every time.

It shouldn't, especially if it's from Vancouver media or hacks like Canucks army blah blah blah.. worse than useless! Well good ole summer and the daily search of "Canucks news" I sometimes read the b.s. in the media when I'm bored but it ends up good for a laugh, they're still screaming for forwards, some have switched to D after AL mentioned it but omfg talk about cluelessness! Half the folks in the CDC could write better than those schmucks!

That surprises you?

I hate Edm, but if we go that VGK route and have a decent sized team and defence with depth as I've been on about for years and years then we'd have a good shot but usually we're sort of creampuff with no depth so it's not surprising we haven't won shite

He'd better f'n be... No one can be THAT stupid! At least I hope not!

Doesn't surprise me at all though, the guys slapshot is a laser beam and top shelf post and in wrist shots like Petey and we all know what kind of hand eye that takes, no I don't imagine it translates on a course for every player in that tier but hats off to him either way for being just that good, what a steal by JB, his best move next to Demko for 5 mil a season was impressive, yeah he made mistakes as any rookie GM would but JT and Demko weren't mistakes at all.. obviously! Wtg JT! P.S. I wonder if Kuz plays golf? Can't remember if it was brought up or not?

Let's hope he doesn't have that much time to practice in the summer next year when we're in the playoffs BUT wtg JT!

Yeah let's do what the media says then? Screw D and get moreeeeee forwards?!! Genius! Like that's gonna work.. Oh wait they've been saying that for years and we don't have any D depth at all.. funny how that works! Lmao! Blahhhh! Whatever lol

Ok so your saying this team needs more smallish forwards? Great for when we get to the post season and he gets eaten alive. No thanks! I'm fine with Pellikka and yes he's been projected to be a top 4 D worst case and top pairing best case. News flash, we don't need anymore smurfs, that never ends up well for us, NEVER HAS! Not even once.. IF not Pellikka, then Reinbacher, if either is still there when we pick and IF we pick. There is certainly no guarantee the pick isn't sent off in a Garland/Boeser deal.

What are you missing? On a whim, or a prayer, Canucks history changes and actually builds D depth so when a glut of them gets injured we actually.. actually and I find this weird to be saying but depth for a change so we don't get our asses handed to us like the beginning of the season or whenever in a season regardless, but depth? Wow wouldn't that be something... (For once!) I"m still leaning towards a top 4 RHD and a top quality third line center who can seemlessly move up in the line-up without looking or performing out of place in exchange for Boeser, Garland, and our 11th. Would parting with our first kinda pi$$ me off? Sure but at least we won the Kuz sweepstakes that put us ahead so imo if we have to package our 11th then the evens us out but next year we have to keep what we have and spend a lot more time scouting out gems for the rest of our picks this season but unless it improves us over Flow and Garland, no dice. Anyway, I'd rather us keep our 11th but there's not many D in the top of the list this year on D as well. No I haven't looked at whose coming up as far as same as this year or more D.next year but looking at a trade for D using our 11th in it is fine.. anything else? Screw that! I hope Toc continues looking for players made in his mould of skill and toughness and JR/AL deliver more of it so we don't end up with another soft team... We all are aware of how that has worked out for us to date. Will it all align for a change? Idk, seems pretty far fetched as it's never happened before but wouldn't that be F'n awesome for a change!!! Changing the Vancouver narrative of a depthless good roster?! Nah lol dreaming!!

Just wishful thinking, chances of it happening are like.. well I think everyone knows anyway but it would be nice but simply not happening, yeah I'd pull a Lindros to play in Vancouver but pretty sure he's not going to

I'll pick that apart in the morning, but saying cap dollars is crazy, and you fail to see his second job of keeping the fans in the seats as all the old contracts came off, which God knows I wouldn't have wanted to take that on, and then try to build at the same time? F me! And on top of that, if I was a player in the NHL the last place I'd play unless it was a short tenure, why? Because the fans SUCK, just as bad as the media as fans believe anything the media says in Vancouver whether it's true or not. The way to describe it from top to bottom is "Bush league" and so laughable, yeah truth be known and the only "half" truth I ever heard from them is how Vancouver fans couldn't and wouldn't stand for a rebuild but from the locked in contacts we had from Gillis, we couldn't have done a rebuild if we wanted to. If Benning had of been handed a good roster, a good farm team and lots of good picks and then screwed it all up then I'd agree but it was the opposite! Broken team, no farm, no picks and the picks he did have, he had to trade to put a roster together that had enough fans in the building to make Franko happy and that didn't help us along further either... And to prove how stupid people can really be about it, of course it was called a f'n retool,, wtf else are you going to call something you can't rebuild because of locked in contracts? Seriously? Omfg!

Praising Gillis? Might want to read again, he got us a good team but locked it up long term and sold the farm to get it like every other GM has, hardly praising him for anything other than signing a "bit" tougher/grittier roster than we usually have. Sorry, sorry but it's an honest dialogue and although some won't like it, it's true, believe me I wish it weren't so.

Were you even paying attention this whole time?! Do you anything about hockey, contract law and Canada at all??? I doubt it.. highly doubt it.. . And of course Benning did flubs here and there but he did a lot of good things under the circumstances too but tell me what GM has ever been perfect or anywhere near close, being a GM is being involved in a crap shoot that you have limited odds at best! I'm tired of hearing idiots bash someone when they haven't been watching since the start of the franchise or have been and are just that stupid. It's only one way or the other.. So I'm going to ask you this to give you a chance to prove otherwise. Go back and look at the broken, half a full LOCKED in roster, the empty farm, and next to zero picks in 2013 plus Luongo's recapture. and tell me what YOU would have done.

Obviously you haven't looked at what our roster is going to look like cap wise in 2024 have you? cap hell, cap schmell... Not even.. Seriously, go have a look at the RFA's and FA's for 2024-25

Of course, that's how it works here. Reinbacher pls!

Well let's talk about our said deadbeats, as many other team you have a core and you build around it and properly for a change, is something that isn't going to happen over night and people and the media need to stop pushing for $$$ RFA's but even now more than ever, we're going to need quality ELC's and properly developed depth, without is a ticket punched to nowhere, which is Canucks hockey has been all about since day F'n one.. I don't know about you but imo, this is getting way past ridiculous. If it doesn't stop, Lord Stanley isn't coming anytime soon and 40 years will easily turn in 50 then 60++++ Are we there yet? This is way past old.. sarcastically laughs! Like c'mon.. step one, STOP listening to the media like they always know what their talking about because oftentimes they have no clue. Just conjecture, not based in reality. I'll prove it, I came to this conclusion after seeing all the media screaming for, especially in the last 4 I don't years, we should trade for this forward it that forward, it was in every online hacks and sports media out there. Yet here we are, and I'm not the only by a mile screaming for D instead and what do we lack today?! That a lot of us here on the CDC have known for years, with Salo, Elder, Tanev etc often injured and no one to step in to speak of so we'd go on losing streaks by other teams taking advantage knowing we had no one and capitalize on it. Sound familiar? Lol! How many years did we go through that? Omg lol but yet, yeah let's go after a 2nd need after D first... Like c'mon... This thinking about RFA's will somehow win it without depth is crazy! With all that in mind, we need obviously to develop support players, we don't need top 6 forward futures, bottom 6 with top 6 ceilings who can step in seamlessly and D of course, it's not like we don't have enough fire power and yes depth there too is needed but first things first but the media would tell and has told you more forwards, more forwards, more forwards!!! Seriously??? And people buy it... Omfg! Lmao!

Well how many first round picks did they get and they still suck a$$! They rely on 2 players, sooner or later when one goes down, royally screwed is the term I'd use in that case.

Yup, man I only got 3 hours of sleep last night and just a nap since, this is hard on the brain with this much thinking... I'm just all in going after D because sooner or later it will pay off so we don't lose games when roster D goes down to injury..