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13 minutes ago, PetterssonOrPeterson said:
he reminds me a lot of ehrhoff.
a solid player but not spectacular.
DEFINITELY NOT worth the $8.0M+
No you offer him 7-7.5, KNOWING the price for top 4 RHD is continuing to climb and in 2-3-4 onward in years, 7-7.5 million a season will look pretty damn good! Don't kid yourself..
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8 hours ago, Odd. said:
As many of you might know, I am NOT pleased with the Hronek trade. Our team is nowhere near competitive, and looking at Hronek, he doesn’t exactly fit much of our needs on defense other than being an offensive right handed defenseman.
He is not particularly good in his own end, he’s a bit undersized, and is more of a PP specialist than a 5 on 5 catalyst, something I would expect from a defenseman that costed a 1st and a 2nd. Not to mention being one of the only teams out of the playoff for 7 of 8 years trading 1sts like we’re competitive.
The problem is, he puts up points, and is in line for a significant raise. Some comparibles are:
Sergachev: $8.5M x 8 (averaged 30-38 points a season before extending, career high 65 points)
Trouba: $8.0M x 8 (averages 20-30 points)
Werenski: $9.583M x 6 (averages 30-40 points)
Chabot: $8.0M x 8 (averages 30-45 points)
Morrissey $6.25M x 8 (averages 25-35 points, career high 76 points)
Provorov $6.7M x 6 (averages 25-35 points)
All these guys signed their extensions between 23-26. Hronek is 25, and already averages 30-40 points a season.
What is stopping him from asking those types of contracts? We aren’t getting him for under $7M, especially if he puts up 35+ points.
In a deep draft such as this, having 2 1st round picks, a 2nd round pick, and a 3rd round pick would have helped this organization immensely both depth and value.
Yzerman fleeced us so hard. What an absolute disastrous trade that I don’t see paying off for us one bit.
Hronek? Your saying we got fleeced? Omg that's because you haven't seen him play all that much have you? Be honest!
A top 4 RHD with good offensive upside doesn't grow on trees in the NHL, and if some is growing some ala pick to time developing and it's looking good then your going to probably keep it with the shortage and demand in the league for RHD's, let alone offensive ones and that keeps the price going up.
There doesn't need to be anything flashy about him, his upside offensively is obvious and he is a great passer and reads incredibly well.
These types of D are hard to find and sign before someone else does, the same thing was said about JTM by the media and now their looking like complete idiots.
We did extremely well picking him up, the only thing we really need besides good roster signings for depth and if we keep picking D on draft day until we have enough then we can move on.
We're fine.. steady as she goes, slow and sure wins! You'd think Canucks fans more than anyone would get that since we have no cup due to tried short cuts that never worked.
Oh because of lack of depth? Yes it's nothing new...
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3 hours ago, PhillipBlunt said:
Prove it.
Fair... However either side of the argument is speculation, too bad he didn't have a full healthy season for a change, I think that would have helped his cause but he picked it up in the 2nd half like everyone, even chaos giraffe was playing better!
And Garland's hatty sure helped but probably not much.
Both would be welcome additions on a more than a few rosters. We just have to make it worth their while and that's doable and long as we don't end up shooting ourselves in the foot over it...
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On 5/7/2023 at 8:52 PM, Iron Man said:
Am I missing anything else?
Yes the Canucks curse... Nothing trumps it..
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8 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said:
Remember when they split up Gretzky's goals and assists in hockey pools? You couldn't just take Gretzky first overall, the advantage was too unfair. You had to split him up into two players. If I won the hockey pool, I would always take Gretzky's assists. I think he would have won the Art Ross trophy at least 3 times with only his assists.
1985-86
Gretzky 163 assists
Lemieux - 141 points
1986-87
Gretzky - 121 assists
Kurri - 108 points
1982-83
Gretzky - 125 assists
Stastny - 124 points
1984-85
Gretzky - 135 assists
Kurri - 135 points
That is completely insane and not of this world. One more thing. If people say Gretzky was a product of the Oilers, just remember he won THREE scoring titles while playing for LA. And the last kicker. He won his last scoring title at age 33, beating out a 24 year old Sergei Fedorov.
Gretzky was definitely the most dominate athlete of all time IMO...
Gretzky, 109 crying towels used in a season, 43 in the playoffs, what a crying, sniveling little biotch when things didn't go his way...
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27 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said:
Well, I think we're just going back and forth here, so I'll make two points and call it a discussion:
1 - I think Edmonton is still playing if they get decent goaltending.
2 - I think a lot of people here are influenced by their dislike of the team.
Ummm yes I do hate Edm BUT that's what you get when you pay 2 players that much money, the depth around will be exposed every time.
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38 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:
Not really...
It shouldn't, especially if it's from Vancouver media or hacks like Canucks army blah blah blah.. worse than useless!
Well good ole summer and the daily search of "Canucks news"
I sometimes read the b.s. in the media when I'm bored but it ends up good for a laugh, they're still screaming for forwards, some have switched to D after AL mentioned it but omfg talk about cluelessness!
Half the folks in the CDC could write better than those schmucks!
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1 hour ago, Elias Pettersson said:
30 people on CDC picked Vegas in 6. But not even one of these so called hockey professionals picked Vegas in 6. Not even one.
CDC is much smarter than real hockey experts...
That surprises you?
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On 4/29/2023 at 10:54 PM, Elias Pettersson said:
Vegas has a big team and a big defence. I think they will wear down the Oilers. Vegas in 6…
I hate Edm, but if we go that VGK route and have a decent sized team and defence with depth as I've been on about for years and years then we'd have a good shot but usually we're sort of creampuff with no depth so it's not surprising we haven't won shite
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28 minutes ago, RU SERIOUS said:
.................if he's still on the team !
He'd better f'n be... No one can be THAT stupid! At least I hope not!
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7 minutes ago, coolboarder said:
Let's say, if unthinkable happens, he wins the qualifying and US open, he's automatic in for next 5 years. He wouldn't need to practice. Talk about long shot.
Doesn't surprise me at all though, the guys slapshot is a laser beam and top shelf post and in wrist shots like Petey and we all know what kind of hand eye that takes, no I don't imagine it translates on a course for every player in that tier but hats off to him either way for being just that good, what a steal by JB, his best move next to Demko for 5 mil a season was impressive, yeah he made mistakes as any rookie GM would but JT and Demko weren't mistakes at all.. obviously!
Wtg JT!
P.S. I wonder if Kuz plays golf? Can't remember if it was brought up or not?
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On 5/13/2023 at 11:23 AM, grandmaster said:
From the ice to the first tee: Canucks’ Miller set for U.S. Open golf qualifier
Sportsnet StaffMay 12, 2023, 3:57 PMFor most hockey players, the end of their season offers a chance to step away from the pressures of sport and enjoy some much-deserved R&R.
The same can’t be said for Vancouver Canucks forward J.T. Miller. Instead of enjoying a beach vacation, he will be teeing it up at a local qualifier in hopes of securing a spot in the 2023 U.S. Open.
This year’s Open is being held at the Los Angeles Country Club from June 15-18.
Miller will join 78 other golf hopefuls at The Club at Nevillewood in Presto, Pennsylvania, on Monday in a one-day qualifier. Only a limited number of players from the local event will then advance to the final round of qualifying for one of golf’s four majors.
And even though Miller is no stranger to the stress of high-level sport, he admitted that with golf being an individual sport, he’s going to be feeling the pressure.
“I’m still going to be nervous,” Miller told NHL.com. “I’m a human. That’s part of it. In hockey, you have 18 other guys that can bail you out. You can make mistakes and the outcome of the game may not change, but if you do that in golf? I think that’s why a lot of hockey players are so fascinated with the sport of golf is how hard it is personally and how hard it is mentally.”
It also isn’t the first time that Miller has traded in his hockey stick for a driver. Last year, he played in the same local qualifying event at Butler Country Club in Butler, Pennsylvania. He shot a 7-over, 77 and did not advance.
However, with the scheduled Olympic break in the NHL season last year, he didn’t have a lot of time to get his golf game in top form.
“I had like one day to practice,” Miller said. “I hadn’t played in like seven months outside of one round with rental clubs, which is how it is every year. From October to April, we probably play three to five rounds of golf if we get lucky on the road with rentals, so I came home and it was basically my first round, and I was humbled quickly by how fast the greens were. I just wasn’t ready. I probably was in the low-20s with putts on the front nine alone but started to figure it out on like the eighth hole and I played 1-over from there on, so I played pretty well.”
This year with the Canucks’ season ending April 13, he is feeling more prepared.
But even if Miller doesn’t qualify for one of golf’s biggest events, he will always come back to the sport in the off-season as a way to unwind after a gruelling NHL season.
“It’s good mental reset to get away from hockey,” Miller said. “It’s obviously a lot different than hockey, which is probably why I like it.”
Miller had 32 goals and 50 assists in 81 games for the Canucks during the 2022-23 season — his fourth with Vancouver.
Let's hope he doesn't have that much time to practice in the summer next year when we're in the playoffs BUT wtg JT!
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4 minutes ago, McBackup said:
Yeah let's do what the media says then? Screw D and get moreeeeee forwards?!! Genius!
Like that's gonna work..
Oh wait they've been saying that for years and we don't have any D depth at all.. funny how that works! Lmao!
Blahhhh! Whatever lol
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On 5/9/2023 at 9:46 PM, McBackup said:
The fall here is Benson. He and Smith are the next tier after the big 4 in this draft. If he is available and the Canucks take Sandin-Pellikka over him, that is a horrific reach. ASP's stock is rising due to the position he plays and his shot, not his projections.
Ok so your saying this team needs more smallish forwards? Great for when we get to the post season and he gets eaten alive. No thanks! I'm fine with Pellikka and yes he's been projected to be a top 4 D worst case and top pairing best case.
News flash, we don't need anymore smurfs, that never ends up well for us, NEVER HAS! Not even once..
IF not Pellikka, then Reinbacher, if either is still there when we pick and IF we pick. There is certainly no guarantee the pick isn't sent off in a Garland/Boeser deal.
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On 4/30/2023 at 4:31 PM, Canuck You said:
What are you missing? On a whim, or a prayer, Canucks history changes and actually builds D depth so when a glut of them gets injured we actually.. actually and I find this weird to be saying but depth for a change so we don't get our asses handed to us like the beginning of the season or whenever in a season regardless, but depth? Wow wouldn't that be something... (For once!)
I"m still leaning towards a top 4 RHD and a top quality third line center who can seemlessly move up in the line-up without looking or performing out of place in exchange for Boeser, Garland, and our 11th.
Would parting with our first kinda pi$$ me off? Sure but at least we won the Kuz sweepstakes that put us ahead so imo if we have to package our 11th then the evens us out but next year we have to keep what we have and spend a lot more time scouting out gems for the rest of our picks this season but unless it improves us over Flow and Garland, no dice.
Anyway, I'd rather us keep our 11th but there's not many D in the top of the list this year on D as well. No I haven't looked at whose coming up as far as same as this year or more D.next year but looking at a trade for D using our 11th in it is fine.. anything else? Screw that!
I hope Toc continues looking for players made in his mould of skill and toughness and JR/AL deliver more of it so we don't end up with another soft team... We all are aware of how that has worked out for us to date.
Will it all align for a change? Idk, seems pretty far fetched as it's never happened before but wouldn't that be F'n awesome for a change!!!
Changing the Vancouver narrative of a depthless good roster?! Nah lol dreaming!!
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Just wishful thinking, chances of it happening are like.. well I think everyone knows anyway but it would be nice but simply not happening, yeah I'd pull a Lindros to play in Vancouver but pretty sure he's not going to
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1 hour ago, Provost said:
Literally no GM during Benning’s tenure had fewer wins per cap dollar spent than Benning did. Of the very few teams with worse records than us, they were budget teams spending $20-30 million less on their rosters. You don’t have to invent any imagined metrics, it is sport and success is measured in wins and losses.
He ran the team for close to a decade and we were near the bottom of the league the entire time, it was winning fewer games by the end than when he started, you can’t blame that on Gillis. When he left, the team was in worse cap trouble; and with a worse prospect pool than he inherited (at least he had Horvat from Gillis… when he left there weren’t any Horvat level prospects)… that is stunningly hard to do when you are finishing near the bottom of the league every year. Gillis failed in drafting, but he was also picking late. His only top ten pick was a home run, Horvat is a top 5 pick in a redraft that year. Heck, Benning’s main success was right away when he took over with the “terrible” Gillis roster, before he started dismantling it. The more moves he made, the worse the results on the ice. His best attribute was drafting and he was below average in that as well. He whiffed on half his top picks, didn’t unearth any late round gems, and managed to find NHL players in the 2nd and 3rd rounds just a little below historical averages.
He was a terrible GM and was given way more leeway to dig out than other GMs who couldn’t get close to a .500 record, never mind playoffs and success there.
Notice how no one is beating down the door to hire him.
I'll pick that apart in the morning, but saying cap dollars is crazy, and you fail to see his second job of keeping the fans in the seats as all the old contracts came off, which God knows I wouldn't have wanted to take that on, and then try to build at the same time? F me!
And on top of that, if I was a player in the NHL the last place I'd play unless it was a short tenure, why? Because the fans SUCK, just as bad as the media as fans believe anything the media says in Vancouver whether it's true or not.
The way to describe it from top to bottom is "Bush league" and so laughable, yeah truth be known and the only "half" truth I ever heard from them is how Vancouver fans couldn't and wouldn't stand for a rebuild but from the locked in contacts we had from Gillis, we couldn't have done a rebuild if we wanted to.
If Benning had of been handed a good roster, a good farm team and lots of good picks and then screwed it all up then I'd agree but it was the opposite! Broken team, no farm, no picks and the picks he did have, he had to trade to put a roster together that had enough fans in the building to make Franko happy and that didn't help us along further either...
And to prove how stupid people can really be about it, of course it was called a f'n retool,, wtf else are you going to call something you can't rebuild because of locked in contracts?
Seriously? Omfg!
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1 hour ago, Dazzle said:
Sorry bud. If you're going to be praising Gillis for how good he is running the team, drafting was not one of Gillis' strengths. Every single successful GM has relied on drafts to bring players up. He had an equivalent amount of time as Benning to draft and there's literally nothing to show for it in recent memory, aside from Horvat. And now he's gone. That's a terrible track record as a GM not to be able to draft anyone else except in the 1st round (Horvat, Hodgson) and Hutton. The misses are endless, whether it was in the 2nd round or the 6th round.
Gillis' impact was cute, but you're vastly overstating the significance. He tried many different things. Some worked. Some didn't.
If you're going to be comparing GMs, you best not leave out the negative parts. That's just dishonest dialogue.Praising Gillis? Might want to read again, he got us a good team but locked it up long term and sold the farm to get it like every other GM has, hardly praising him for anything other than signing a "bit" tougher/grittier roster than we usually have. Sorry, sorry but it's an honest dialogue and although some won't like it, it's true, believe me I wish it weren't so.
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3 hours ago, DSVII said:
Benning had no concept of draft capital or cap space. This team today and for the next five to seven years is going to live with the consequences of his undisciplined spending and short term thinking. You can see the principle of why Gillis made the Ballard trade, it just didn't work out. It happens. It makes more sense than Benning trying to chase an overpaid offensive LD when you have a stay at home shutdown RHD waiting and willing to sign in the offseason you 'ran out of time' in.
We've been over the draft position and % probability. I'm not giving Gillis too much flack for missing a pick in a spot that had a 5% chance of hitting considering Benning flubbed multiple times with picks that are proven to be 90%+ hit rates for NHL players in the top 10. Not to mention he got way more attempts to hit on those players in the top 10 part of the draft. It's apples and oranges.
Luongo netted us Markstrom, and plus pieces like Tanev and Edler kept Benning's illusion of being able to put together an NHL roster afloat until 2020 when the bottom fell out.
Benning's time here is to GMs what SVB is to banks. Winning GMs right now are copying a lot of what Gillis used to put together that 2011 team. Benning is going to be a case study of what not to do.
Were you even paying attention this whole time?! Do you anything about hockey, contract law and Canada at all??? I doubt it.. highly doubt it.. .
And of course Benning did flubs here and there but he did a lot of good things under the circumstances too but tell me what GM has ever been perfect or anywhere near close, being a GM is being involved in a crap shoot that you have limited odds at best!
I'm tired of hearing idiots bash someone when they haven't been watching since the start of the franchise or have been and are just that stupid. It's only one way or the other..
So I'm going to ask you this to give you a chance to prove otherwise.
Go back and look at the broken, half a full LOCKED in roster, the empty farm, and next to zero picks in 2013 plus Luongo's recapture. and tell me what YOU would have done.
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3 hours ago, McBackup said:
And the player we'll have to pay to move off of once again down the line when we're deeper in cap hell.
Obviously you haven't looked at what our roster is going to look like cap wise in 2024 have you? cap hell, cap schmell... Not even..
Seriously, go have a look at the RFA's and FA's for 2024-25
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On 5/8/2023 at 6:23 PM, Ghostsof1915 said:
Knowing the Canucks.
Michkov and Reinbacher will be available at 11.
And the Canucks will draft Michkov.
Of course, that's how it works here. Reinbacher pls!
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10 hours ago, RU SERIOUS said:
I think you're on the right track but something tells me our mgmt group will trade away that pick in an effort to package one of our many "deadbeat" players up with it because they are in serious Cap Trouble!
Well let's talk about our said deadbeats, as many other team you have a core and you build around it and properly for a change, is something that isn't going to happen over night and people and the media need to stop pushing for $$$ RFA's but even now more than ever, we're going to need quality ELC's and properly developed depth, without is a ticket punched to nowhere, which is Canucks hockey has been all about since day F'n one..
I don't know about you but imo, this is getting way past ridiculous.
If it doesn't stop, Lord Stanley isn't coming anytime soon and 40 years will easily turn in 50 then 60++++
Are we there yet? This is way past old.. sarcastically laughs!
Like c'mon.. step one, STOP listening to the media like they always know what their talking about because oftentimes they have no clue. Just conjecture, not based in reality.
I'll prove it, I came to this conclusion after seeing all the media screaming for, especially in the last 4 I don't years, we should trade for this forward it that forward, it was in every online hacks and sports media out there.
Yet here we are, and I'm not the only by a mile screaming for D instead and what do we lack today?!
That a lot of us here on the CDC have known for years, with Salo, Elder, Tanev etc often injured and no one to step in to speak of so we'd go on losing streaks by other teams taking advantage knowing we had no one and capitalize on it. Sound familiar? Lol! How many years did we go through that?
Omg lol but yet, yeah let's go after a 2nd need after D first... Like c'mon...
This thinking about RFA's will somehow win it without depth is crazy!
With all that in mind, we need obviously to develop support players, we don't need top 6 forward futures, bottom 6 with top 6 ceilings who can step in seamlessly and D of course, it's not like we don't have enough fire power and yes depth there too is needed but first things first but the media would tell and has told you more forwards, more forwards, more forwards!!!
Seriously??? And people buy it... Omfg! Lmao!
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5 hours ago, canuck73_3 said:
Just not sure why you're so pissy, not like Toronto ever had a hope in winning the lottery
Well how many first round picks did they get and they still suck a$$! They rely on 2 players, sooner or later when one goes down, royally screwed is the term I'd use in that case.
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10 minutes ago, Chickenspear said:
We still have next year's 1st.
Yup, man I only got 3 hours of sleep last night and just a nap since, this is hard on the brain with this much thinking... I'm just all in going after D because sooner or later it will pay off so we don't lose games when roster D goes down to injury..
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Who here is actually happy with the Hronek trade?
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Posted · Edited by iceman64
Boes and Garland for prospects or picks.. do the math..
Edit: So it's 11 mil, we have raises and this is the year of Hogs and Podz..
Can Hogs crack the line-up if he goes all in a summer regime of on/off the ice training and same with Podz.
How those 2 do has a lot of bearing how the rest of next season plays out and all we can do is wait and see... Hogs showed a ton of improvement but still needs tuning and Podz was odd man out but Abby helped him with ice time, if I'm Al and JR, I'm putting the Sedins on those 2 for extra training.
And on top of that Woo with Gonchar, Woo is improving just in time to become depth help but needs to get some big club practice exp..
If they work out then that will save us a ton of headaches trying to sign and get new faces up to speed and that's hardly necessary any time soon.
If there's one franchise that's been a historic player turnstile other than some mainstays like other clubs, it's been a long line...
I can hardly imagine a good set roster with depth to go on a gruelling cup run..
Meh... Who knows...