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Alright.... I'll reply back to this post and leave it at that. You seem to be changing your tune...but you also seem to have an issue with your memory. Ehrhoff - MG offered him the same deal Bieksa got....but he turned it down. He wanted the big PAYOFF! And he got it with Buffalo. Looking in hindsight is nifty when you want to "tweak" something here and there to support your belief....sure, a $4 mill cap hit NOW seems reasonable, but it did come with a huge payment up front! $10 mill the first year and $8 mill the second so the average sits at around $4 mill....giving the Sabres $6 mill and $4 mill for those seasons.... could the Canucks have handled that at that time? NO!!!! So stop talking about the $4 mill cap hit now, it's irrelevant! The Canucks wouldn't want to sign him for 10 years and couldn't afford to pay his cap for the first two years and wouldn't pay him $18 mill in the first two years of the contract....all this was mandatory to get the $4 mill cap you see now. You're talking about Ehrhoff right? The same guy who was a huge defensive liability!!! So much so that he was deployed mostly in the O zone and coddled like CoHo... The same Ehrhoff who is seriously injury prone?...signing him to a 10 year deal is just foolish. BTW....another thing you forgot about, WHEN Ehrhoff retires prior to his contract agreement...lets say 35,36 or 37, Buffalo will have to deal with the cap-recapture penalty until 2021. MG should be applauded for not giving in to Ehrhoff's ridiculous demands..... Please check your own facts and stop using "pieces" of information to support your argument.... use it all and in context. Oh...and the Ballard trade, it was a good trade at the time and he was a highly sought after player. And Grabner was not a bone-headed move by MG....keeping him would've been. Grabner was redundant and didn't perform here.... AND, other teams obviously felt the same. I understand you have a hate-on for MG, but I don't think you know the reason why? If you think Torres wouldn't have had to tone his game down or he would have spent most of the season suspended or on the bench, than that's your perogative. Wearing Blue and Green puts a target on his back.... if you think it's just a conspiracy theory and not fact, fine. Go with it.... we will differ on this and no point in arguing. However, Torres was offered a reasonable contract, but he wanted more....fact. Yes, I blame AV. He was the coach....and he does play the players that "he" feels gives him the best chance to win. However! that doesn't mean he isn't ignorant, stubborn and self-rightous....it doesn't mean he was right. He consistantly played his 'favorite' players that DIDN'T give him the best chance to win....he just had favorites. You also admitted that Gillis had to trade away Schnieds because of the controversy AV started..... but you still blame MG for something he was forced into by AV? "Gillis had to trade Schneider after 2011 to avoid the controversy looming"....this is your quote and you bolded "had". Your argument would have more merit if you didn't support my arguments... Obviously, AV 'thought' Schneids was the answer, but AV was WRONG.... or we would have won. News flash! Lou or Schnieds was not the issue....it was everything but. So...AV decides to try and save his own skin at the detriment of the Canucks! And he ended his last season here with the same mentality.....what was the point of playing Corrado? Now we lose a year.... Yeah, AV was as much to blame for our failures as MG, but I would put the blame on him more because he didn't utilize the players as he should have and he was too stubborn to change. Like I said.....AND YOU SAID..... MG was forced to trade Schneids because AV was wrong in his judgement. However, I'm happy with Bo so who cares..... You mention something about contradiction at it's finest? How slow are you????? You are the one going on in your original post about Nonis and Burke having all the credit and not giving any credit to MG even if the players he drafted are the key pieces... You are seriously daft! Don't try and play silly games with me and change the words around....and accuse me of something that you did Compared to your simple mind, you might think that I can read into the future, but unfortunately I can't.... if we win the cup within the next couple of years under the contracts that MG signed, I would give a lot of credit to MG plus the obvious credit to the new GM who added the other key pieces. If it took much longer and all of MG's players had re-signed with the new GM (plus other key signings), than I would give a majority of the credit to the new GM.... In your simple world everything is black and white.....but there are multiple variables involved. "How? How were we constant bottom dwellers?" This I quoted from you....very telling. I didn't bother quoting the other crap you wrote to follow this up because it has nothing to do with my original statement! Do you find people questioning your comprehension levels? wow.... I was talking about the Canucks being constant bottom dwellers (exclusion from the Playoffs) in the league prior (and I believe I said 'prior' in the original post too) to MG taking over as GM.... We sucked for a long time prior to MG's arrival and he turned the ship around and made us contenders....MG did this in such a short period and for an extended period that....unfortunately, it made some members of CDC (like yourself) believe that the Canucks have always been one of the elite teams in the league since it's inception and expect ludirous playoff contentions year after year Before MG we sucked....AV was hired prior to MG signing (thought I should mention this because of your lack of memory) and AV still failed with the same core pieces that you mentioned earlier, which shows that the added pieces MG put together were essential for this team to make it to the Finals....to win 2 President trophies. But....you think MG was detrimental to the Canucks and was a failure? The rest of your statement sounds like whining...."MG promised we would win with the cup with the Sedins"...."we didn't win the cup so he's a failure" wah...wah...wah... Look, I had to reply to your first post because your arguments made no sense and you seemed to have mixed everything up....I just pointed it out and straightened the facts. Than you tried to come at me with this post and you're arguing something different? What is your point? and if you want to taint the reputation of a GM that did more for this organization than any other GM or at least the equivalent of, than use real facts that support your argument! DO NOT make idiotic statements like, "MG was a terrible GM because he almost traded Kesler"..... FFS!

Apologies.... I know this should be about Gaunce, but I had to reply to the that particular post.

NO. Absolutely WRONG.... He will be credited for multiple things... The goalie trades for sure...the other things you mentioned? Not well thought out. Ehrhoff - wanted to get paid. Grossly over-paid. I'd be pissed if MG matched that offer Salo - he was old and risky. He found a great replacement with Tanev Torres - I like him and he's been good with the Sharks. But....if he played for Vancouver, he would have spent half the season suspended. Did you forget that were the Nucks? Not one of the favored teams in the NHL.... Etc...? Coho maybe? Please....I'm glad he's gone and that trade will be definitely one that MG will be remembered for. Lou - Blame AV for this mess. He stirred the whole pot when he designated Schneids as the #1 during the Playoffs.... Also blame the NHL for implementing new rules to screw up the contract that they approved. Schneids - Look at the latter part of Lou above. The new rules made any potential Lou trade impossible... hands were tied, had to deal a goalie and I'm happy with our return. We have some pretty good goalies in the system and I have faith in Lack.....had AV just stuck it out with Lou during the Playoffs, we could've kept Lou as our #1 and Lack as our backup. Kesler - "almost" traded Kesler and you think anyone will remember MG for that? The GM's job is to listen to all offers....if any GM didn't than I would say that they were doing a piss-poor job. MG did what any good GM should.... he listened to the offer and felt it was inadequate and didn't make a trade. You made a nice argument here... Draft picks - Horvat will be well worth the trade....if you want to retool on the fly, you NEED a player like Bo. He didn't go off the board like some other GM's and picked up Shink when he should've been taken earlier.... there is some credit due here. Cost of the present???? I could see your argument for Horvat....but I like this trade cause Bo will make more of an impact on the Canucks future than Schneids (mainly because we still have Lack and some other solid goalie prospects). However, how did selecting Gaunce, Jensen, Shink, and others cost the Canucks in any form....let alone your argument that it cost us the present? What MG will be remembered for is finally pushing the owners to own their own farm team. This move alone is huge and should've been done years ago.... developing our own players will yield huge results for our future, MG did this. No mention of the FA that he signed? MG will be remembered for bringing in key pieces like Tanev. The culture of this Organization to turn it into a destination team for FA? Previous to MG....I don't remember us signing many significant FA? MG picked the future stars of the Nucks....Kass, Bo, Gaunce, Jensen, Shink, Fox, Cassels, etc.... regarding last years draft, MG hit a homerun. He built a team that won 2 President trophies and made it to the Finals.... There's a ton of great things MG has done and I won't get into it cause I've mentioned them in multiple posts previously... but, MG has done more for this team than you care to mention or think about... MG will be remembered for his huge role in transforming this team from constant bottom dwellers with poor prospects into contenders and future SC champions You may not want to give MG credit for the key roles our prospects will play in the future...but every other Nuck fan will give him his due respect. I'm sure you are one of the CDC posters who always claim that this team was built by Burke and Nonis.... these two, like every GM in the league has their own share of blunders. However, not one of our previous GM's has made the significant changes that MG did because MG was able to think outside the box... Because Nonis still gets recognition, MG will be praised by CDC. The goal might be to win now and retool with young players on the fly...which is exactly what MG was doing....so I completely disagree with your assumption that this is the reason he got fired. Politics... that's all.

haha I thought you were describing "Stormin" Norman Schwarzkopf.... wouldn't you say you've put CoHo on quite the pedestal here? get serious... Regardless of how you paint the picture.... MG has more credibility than any young kid in CoHo's shoes. I highly doubt that any GM would trade a highly touted player so quickly unless they had reasons for it... CoHo might have thought that what he said was reasonable and within his rights to do so as a "star" player, especially with a meddling father and agent egging him on and telling him to do so.... But, this is a professional sport and business and I would believe 100% in a professional seasoned lawyer who represents an Organization and has exceeded my expectations in improving this franchise. As well, MG is not a typical GM who makes decisions in haste or on a whim....he is a very calculated person and considers the benefits and repercussions of all decisions that he makes when it comes to his job. This is what makes him a great GM....he's improved this franchise in so many ways it's hard to name them all, directly AND indirectly. Do I believe a young kid in the spotlight who has everyone close to him telling him he's undervalued and needs...nay...deserves to be the center of attention? Or do I believe a seasoned lawyer who I've seen improve this franchise in multiple facets and who's only concern seems to be the improvement of this Organization? A GM who has everything to lose with his other players (and future players) by making up lies about an individual playing for his Organization....or a kid who is upset because things didn't turn out the way he expected and is upset that his reputation and fathers reputation has been tainted? Oh...as for the input of others not related to him, I feel it's fairly easy for most people to abide to a picture of purity in front of acquaintances, people they respect or people who are in position to influence their future or their image. You want to know what's really interesting about your quotes.... It seems like CoHo's lines were scripted by his lawyers as he was very careful with his words: He's careful to say that his dad never "called" the team, but didn't say his dad never talked with the team... he never denied that his father brought this up in another form. He only says that he wanted to clear things up and it's been bothering him for a long time....the fact that his father "called" not that his father didn't speak to anyone. If he was being straight-up and there was absolutely no truth to this matter....I believe he would have been more clear, kinda like... "He never called, spoke, emailed or even mentioned anything, to anyone, about ice time....." Instead he was upset because people said his father "called"....nothing else. His words are too focused on the "call" and not that his father had nothing to do with meddling in some other way. And than he mentions that his agent, "handled stuff with the team...." usually most agents are used as a voice to represent their clients. So his dad used his representative to voice his concerns regarding his son's ice time....what's the difference? He's still meddling...CoHo is also adamant that he never mentioned anything about requesting more ice time, but what did his representative say to the GM? he was also very clear to mention that he never personally mentioned anything to the team or organization....but failed to exclude his agent. I find it odd that he is very clear on his words in regards to what he or his dad said and to whom....and he ends his sentence with "but, my agent (Ritch Winters) handled the stuff with the team". How come he slyly mentions his agent, but doesn't exclude his representative as another person who requested more ice time? And why not talk about his time in Vancouver when he's on the subject....when does he want to bring it up? Maybe never because the truth might come to light...that the topic of ice time was brought up, just not through a phone call from his dad.

That's not what he's saying....you're just putting words in his mouth to try and strengthen your point. I think his perspective isn't negative at all... this isn't a one and done deal, there are other seasons that follow this year. And considering what's happened this year, especially with injuries, the odds of us winning the cup are slim and none. Realistically, I doubt we even make it past the 1st round (I'm not saying I hope we get swept....just being realistic). So why not hope for a better pick...in order to secure a better future? Every team does this. We need at least one and possibly two early picks in order to be a serious playoff team in the future (I'm hoping with Bo here, one more is all we need). Where do you think the Canucks would be without having the Sedins?...early picks are essential for a any teams future. I want the cup as much as you or anyone else. From the beginning of the season, I was at peace with this team, regardless of wins or losses. Now, when you couple Kes' injury to the others...I don't see the point in sneaking into a playoff spot or fighting for it. I'd prefer to use the rest of the year to get some NHL time for the prospects, practicing the PP, getting rid of any and all bad puck luck (so happy for Bur), etc. Consider this year as just a battle....the war is still going on!

I'll take that dare cause you obviously have no clue...A.D.D.? Too much crack? whatever the reason.... Florida thought that Markstrom would be their goalie of the future, their #1. They were happy with Markstrom at the time, so they weren't inclined to make a deal for Lou... I'm also sure that they saw more potential in Mathias and thought he was worth more at that time, for whatever reason he hasn't produced as they'd hoped this year...Hence, this deal was NOT possible last year!

I agree... but the surest way of having depth and succeeding in the playoffs is when your rookies play too good, good enough that we can't send them back. I really think that Torts will play Schroeds... and Bo and Gaunce might surprise us all. With Torts coaching and the Nucks not relying on Bo and Gaunce for goals, but solid checking and grit.... ? TBH, this is why I'm excited about this year! I really wanted to see what the young kids can do if given the proper chance and with a new coach, I'm hoping that my anxiety levels will drop a little without the unorthodox line changes, roster moves, sitting on leads, favorites, little to know faith in rookies, etc.... IF Gaunce and Bo crack the line up...and Schroeds gains chemistry with a healthy Kes and Booth. Our lines and our depth run DEEP.... Top 2 lines will put up points, bottom 2 lines will be solid checking lines and have plenty of scoring chances. If our D can play like we know they can play.... plus, Lou playing to prove himself worthy of a trade next summer, we might be back to the SCF! Ok...back to reality.... so many variables, but I think there'll be some unexpected surprises. Good or bad.... we're in for a wild ride!

Not likely but definitely a possibility....wishful thinking What if Bo, Gaunce & Schroeds are all ready? I think Schroeds has shown enough to be given a chance and with the right wingers, he would excel. Torts will, at the least, give him a chance and if he finds chemistry with any wingers like he did with Mason...Torts will at least ride the wave out. I think there's about a 80 - 85% chance he makes the line up. And Torts will look beyond his size and play him according to his abilities like he did with Zuccarello. Bo and Gaunce are both exceptional talents with heart, they have the size and they'd be responsible in the face-off. There's no questions regarding their defensive games and I think they're capable of scoring some goals in the NHL....at least what we would expect from a 3rd liner. Torts is willing to give young guys a chance if they prove their capable...which makes me think that they have about a 70-75% chance of making it. I wouldn't want either of these guys on the 4th, but I think their development wouldn't be hindered if they played on the 3rd. Like I said, highly unlikely all 3 make it. With AV, I would be surprised if any of them made it...but with Torts? Sedins, Kass Booth, Schroeds, Kes Burr, Gaunce, Bo Hansen, Richardson, Higgy Tough to match up against this team and this would leave us with two solid checking lines that can score.

ES seems to be very specific with his comments, so if he is talking about the length of the contract that he should have specified. I don't think he is... Regardless, you think that no team would have offered him 6 years? ...you think Philly, Detroit, Edmonton, etc would have balked on the signing for Garrison because it was 6 years? And I'm tired of people saying he had "1 good season"! Sure, he had one good season for points....but we needed a big D man like Garrison who can play the shutdown role. His goal scoring and puck moving abilities is a bonus! Let's see...he's a great shutdown Dman with size who can move the puck AND we now know (from last year when they first tried him in this role) that Garrison also has a boomer of a shot and can put up points.... he has not played 4 years in the NHL by fluke! He actually possesses all the components that the Nucks and every other team in the NHL needs.... size, skill, can play both sides, can play a great shutdown role AND he can score! YES, $4.6 is a discount and he would have received 6 years + more money elsewhere..... TBH, I couldn't care less about his goal totals. As long as he hits, moves bodies and can play the shutdown role than he is more than worth $4.6 mill for 6 years....

Are you kidding me???? Do you follow the NHL or do you just like to troll the CDC??? The market for Dmen in the NHL are at all time high right now! Garrison could have gotten a lot more from a multiple number of teams if he wanted to test the waters.... at $4.6M, you have to be an idiot to believe it's not a discount. There are more teams in need of a top 4 D than any other position and plenty of those signed top 4 D are awful....and getting paid a lot more than $4.6! Of course he 'cashed in' considering what his salary was before....but that doesn't mean it wasn't a discount Your posts are usually ridiculous and consistently antagonizing, but sometimes....just sometimes....there is a valid argument in there somewhere. You have been proven wrong with your theories on numerous occasions and you still stand your ground to try and argue your points (**slow clap**). I had a friend who had similar traits, when we would go out....he would approach every girl in the bar, he gets turned down and laughed at lots....but he does eventually find a hit after multiple misses. He has grown to accept humiliation and making bad judgements due to the regularity of being turned down...his lust just overwhelms him and he considers .01% as good enough odds to endure it. He's horny and I can understand his motivation... I just don't understand yours? What satisfaction do you get in trolling like this? Your odds on being correct are similar to his....yet you still troll CDC? I can only assume your pants are around your ankles when you get the one theory correct.... Is it worth it?