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Extremely troubling to hear that the ownership feels the same way.

I love how people argue "1 game away from stanley cup" to justify our team. 1 game or 100 games away, we didnt get it and its a loss.

Now I'm confused! What "situation and approach" are you referring to? "Opportunity to reevaluate" what exactly? You still haven't made your point clear. It sounds like you're just a disgruntled fan voicing his distaste for the Canucks. If thats the case, make it clear what you're getting at and don't purchase tickets.

3 years ago when our core was in their prime and healthy. The "brute force" is what won the cup that year.

Credibility lost. In your last paragraph it sounds like you have some sort of personal vendetta against the Canucks organization. Anyways, the Canucks actually look like a team with some heart lately and have a coach who fuels the fire. We are in a scoring slump but goals will come. So unlike you, I'm taking this as a good thing and remaining positive!

All hypothetical and there is still a huge risk of having a star player being injured. Having the Sedins out this stretch would be incredibly crippling, and worth more than a powerplay against Calgary or even 2 points. I'm going to read your post from the perspective of a father who probably has children in the minor hockey system. So yes, I see where you're coming from. When/if your kids grow up and play hockey to the junior/pro level. You'll see where the majority of these posts are coming from. Canucks have been the kids on the block who are viewed as buckling under intimidation. The fact Calgary even dressed, let alone started that line up was a pretty good indication of what they had planned for that game. The risk far exceeds the reward = JT did the right thing. We can completely agree on the hallway incident. Way out of line on JT's part.

I cannot believe anyone in their right mind would start their best players against a 4th line of bullies. You would have started the Sedins against that Flames opening line up? What if Daniel or Hank got a concussion from a late hit or broken jaw from a sucker punched after a whistle? Great, a goon gets a 2minute penalty or a game... Calgary doesnt care and we're out a star players during a stretch to make the playoffs. The risk was WAY too high. And could you imagine the backlash onto JT if that had happened? Give your head a shake and look at the end result.... We won the game and traded 4th line penalties.

That directly related to his actions following the first period. Which I don't think anyone believes was a good move. It does show that he's passionate about the game and our club though.

It was equal, was it not? Both teams played with a shortened bench, we got the win, we're still in playoff contention, they're still not... Don't see the problem. The top players have to be playing top minutes because we need all the points we can get right now. The game was close, they would have logged absurd minutes anyways. This game (minus the JT hallway incident) was a great step forward for the Canucks. Dealing with adversity and not letting anyone take liberties.

So we swapped 4th liners with the other team and had the same ejections as we did... I still don't see the problem. "A bit silly" - We got the win and were equally set back by penalties as the opposing team... ? John Scott V.S. Phill Kessel as mentioned above... prime example of what could have happened. "Stretching things a lot" - still not worth the risk. Those are our best players! And its against Calgary! The whole reason teams think they can start their fourth line to rough up our first line is because of our history against rough teams. I'm glad JT is trying to change that image.

"Nothing would have happened"? Again, that is not a risk that we can afford to take at this time. We are in playoff contention, and Calgary is not. Torts made the right decision. And yes, I have faith in our 4th line so theres nothing wrong starting them to match theirs. Plus the brawl on the ice is good hockey. I loved it! Yes, JT acted a bit over the top in the hallway between the rooms. I agree, that was completely uncalled for. There was enough talk that went on ice level, no need for the extra off-ice dumb crap.

I don't agree with sending out our 2nd line to turtle and hope for a PP while getting jumped. Just puts our players at risk for the potential playoffs. Not worth the risk, and if you're a Canucks fan, you know the value of a healthy post season line up. And it also looks awful. I don't want to send a message around the league that goons can go after our star players. That is the image we are trying to get away from. I'm so sick of players taking liberties with us and our powerplay being complete garbage making it impossible to capitalize. We sent a message that night that we cannot be pushed around any more. And obviously other teams/players saw it and took note.

MG has had some awful moves during his tenure here. We have the same issues we've had for the last 5 years!

We have the exact same issues we've had for 5 years now! Enough is enough, get a GM with some balls and brains

Agreed, I feel like this is a game we can build on. We finally looked like a team who supported each other and had accountability. Its a never ending process, the goals will come!

It was speculated to include Gagner and a 1st.

Just going through a few moves by Gillis: Signings: Sundin for $20mil, Marco Sturm overpaid fresh out of surgery, Sammy Pahlsson... got nothing back for him, Mathieu Schneider 17gp with 1.5mil Trades: Ballard for Grabner and a 1st rounder, Ryan Parent for Shane O'brien deal, Derek Roy's stint for Connauton and a 2nd rounder, Hodgson for Kassian trade, Luongo alienation and Schneider for a 1st ordeal that could have been prevented had we a competent GM Also the fact that our most recent impact draftee are Ryan Kesler in 2003 and Alex Edler in 2004. What has happened in the most recent drafts? I think scouting is more of a concern than the trades/moves that are blatantly bad already.

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MG has yet to build a "playoff team". I don't give a rat's ass who wins the President's Trophy or makes it into the playoffs every year. We want a god damn cup! It has been too long and our core has their best years behind them. We need to restructure the team from the ground up. I see all these other teams having impact players out of the draft and signing top tier free agents. *Sigh*

Stexx just touched on 3 points i made from a previous post of about 10+ bad moves by MG. Shirokov and my opinion, sure you're right. O'brien is an NHL defenseman, Parent is an AHL defenseman. Roy was brought in and did not fit in any role, we can agree with that. But he was given a ****load of opportunities, he just didnt cut it.

And your rebuttal is even more comical. Whats wrong with the O'brien/Parent deal is that Parent played 4 games for us and is NOT an NHL caliber defenseman. While Shane O'brien IS an NHL caliber defenseman who has stayed in the NHL as a regular. That deal was horrible. Duco was a serviceable player in the minors? Ok, I did not know that because he barely played on the Canucks at all. So sure, you can have that one, but I still believe that Shirokov would've developed and kept his morale high if we gave him another year. Ok no, Derek Roy was given every chance imaginable to make an impact for the Canucks and failed to do so. He was logging time with the Sedins and Kesler at some crucial points in games. Another bad move by MG. Booth took up valuable cap space that could have been spent elsewhere. He was a complete bust coming over and repeatedly injured. Complete mess of a situation but was still an upgrade from Sturm (another bad signing by MG). My point was in defense to your previous one that stated MG made good moves through his tenure with the Canucks. Chiarelli built a playoff team, they know how to play the game the way it is supposed to be played. They have players that fit all the roles necessary to win a cup. MG still has not figured this out and has not gone out to achieve this.

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1) Free agent signing! I was pointing out our trade history with Florida, not a offseason FA signing. 2) Another hometown hero free agent signing... See point 1. 3) The one bargain we made with Florida that worked out! We can agree on one. Hm, since you like to address signings more than trades lets dabble in some: Sundin for $20mil, Marco Sturm overpaid fresh out of surgery, Sammy Pahlsson... hell of a deal coming back for him, Mathieu Schneider remember him? 17gp with 1.5mil? Now for trades under Gillis era (im sure im missing some): Ballard for Grabner and a 1st rounder not only was he grossly overpaid but MG couldn't even unload him, not a lot of people remember the Ryan Parent for Shane O'brien deal, how about Shirokov for Mike Duco, how about Derek Roy's stint in a Nucks jersey for Connauton and a 2nd rounder, then we all know Hodgson trade and the whole Luongo alienation and Schneider for a 1st ordeal that could have been prevented had we a competent GM.

This^ I'm so tired of Gillis and his excuses. The guy has completely tarnished his image in the league and now takes on the trash from other clubs (Florida). There have been countless questionable moves that have not added to the "direction" of the club. I think he had the right idea a few years back but he never followed through, and now he has lost his way and has been exposed. He never really executed the plans he preached about and now Vancouver is NOT a destination for other players. This relates back to the his tarnished reputation and horrible way of dealing with delicate (players' personal) situations. His shelf life has expired, stop the bleeding