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  1. Lol. The science you don’t understand is gibberish ?? The authors word say plants are capable of cognitive function. Proof is provided, no amount of vegan denial will change the facts. Sure. Except in this case we didn’t program it, thus we are not cognizant of what mental states it possesses or not. If a car dropped from space that shows avoidance behavior, we cannot say it’s programmed behavior. They make claim to cognitive abilities. Which satisfies the point. You cant if you do t understand the science as you said. The simple logic that in food scarcity scenario those who can digest the widest spectrum of food have highest survivsbility. Current extinction modelling predicts the same. I have said it many times. A species has the right to exist as it is in evolved behavior. It’s ethical for a species to be what they are universally capable of and/or universally behave as. Your limited information based ethics cannot make natural reality unethical without divine invocation, period. Kant understood this, you don’t.
  2. I can speak for my species when we have mass data, thank you very much. If you empathize equally with animals as human, that is clinically anomalous behavior and not empathy. You cannot empathize more with creatures you relate less with, as empathy is relatability. It’s another word you are looking for.
  3. I am denying the notion that confirmation bias based on instinct for species closer to us in relatability is a moral benchmark. It isn’t, it’s bias.
  4. Respectfully still means below a human. We empathize more with humans, humans offer us more value as beings and all species are biassed in favour of their own. All this means humans should give humans more rights than other species....which we do.
  5. It’s based on thinking your culture is the best. Not that your culture sucks at abc and mine at xyz.
  6. Exact same signal response overrides your mental state bias which is again a vertibral bias. You simp,y have no concept of what controls an experiment has. Irrelvant. We care for a behavior. If a being behaves with empathy, jealousy and sadness, it’s behavior determines such action, aka output. Not what you think it’s brain is or isn’t or looks like. Unless the cells themselves feel in these cases. You cannot be judge of this, because you do not understand the science I am citing. But it’s expected standard religious science denial from you. I just wrecked vegan morals. Since violence is not always a present behavior, it’s not always ethical. Violence can be ethical. Evolved behavior is ethical because a species has the right to be as is, which overrides one individuals view of what it should or shouldn’t be based on personal bias and limited info. Inferior is a material judgement. We have decisive proof of the last three major extinction events being easiest on omnivores. Ergo, it’s superior diet. Appeal to nature is superior morality than appeal to senses of one individual of one species amongst billions. Nature overrides you because you are limited. What exists in nature has a right to exist as is.
  7. Animals have less rights than people. Difference is what you quoted, victims are people, what I quoted, you are just Messi g with people’s fun for what you think are animal victims.
  8. Yep I would. But people deserve greater rights than animals because people are more capable and thus valuable than animals 1vs1 and every species is positively biased towards its own members, hence it’s justified.
  9. I am not advocating for outlawing a behavior based on my anecdotal experience, as you alleged. I am asking for something to be outlawed where people are victims. Not cultural concepts of whether animals are victims or if they are, if we should care or not. People and animals don’t have the same right and it’s silly to argue they should.
  10. They do because their responses say they do. End of story. PTSD is a phenomenal conscious experience and they show symptoms of it just like animals do, including entire bandwidth. They do, hence they respond to pain just like cows do by seeking avoidance. False. You are showing your vegan religious colours again. I’ve cited this multiple times and you’ve shown ignorance of this specific part of the debate multiple times. Disingenuous religious behavior yet again. Again, how would you know ?? You are dodging this simple question: how do you judge if I understand signal processing or not, when you are illiterate on the topic yourself ?? And all human evolved behavior that pertains to basics of life, is by default ethical. A creature has right to continue it’s evolved basic existence. Irrelevant. We digest meat better than we do plants. Plant based diet is also not required. We have decisive evolutionary and biological proof of creatures losing abilities they do not use anymore. We may thrive, we may evolve with plant based diet, but if we stop eating meat, it’s matter of time before we cannot digest meat. Which would be decisively inferior outcome for our species as we are omnivores, which is superior survivsbility to either carnivore or herbivore diet. We again have decisive proof of this from fossil records. What is a creatures basic evolved response towards basic ingredients of life: food, sex, raising the young: they are by default ethical for that creature. For a creature has the right to exist as is, as evolved. What is evolved behavor cannot be immoral, when it’s species wide behavior. To say so, is to use Christianic original sin argument.
  11. Undeserved reputation, since we are not very tolerant. You only tolerate what you don’t like.
  12. Depends on what the abuse was. My culture is far more into tolerance while yours is into moral crusading. That’s why your culture struggles so much opposing viewpoints.
  13. Morals are for you to live by, not to impose on others. Especially when it comes to non human interactions.