[Grabner]

youneedhockey101 said:

Anyways, do you think we will one day see this line as our second line?


Sergei Shirokov Ryan Kesler Michael Grabner

or

Mason Raymond Ryan Kesler Michael Grabner

Yep, that's exactly what I was thinking

Sedin - Sedin - Pyatt
Raymond - Kesler - Grabner
Simek - Morrison - Naslund
Burrows - Rypien - Fuller

[timw33]

Grabner said:

youneedhockey101 said:

Anyways, do you think we will one day see this line as our second line?


Sergei Shirokov Ryan Kesler Michael Grabner

or

Mason Raymond Ryan Kesler Michael Grabner

Yep, that's exactly what I was thinking

Sedin - Sedin - Pyatt
Raymond - Kesler - Grabner
Simek - Morrison - Naslund
Burrows - Rypien - Fuller

Sweet 4th line if Fuller has good speed.

We definitly need that 6'3+ playmaking centre with good speed though.

As for people setting up Raymond, Raymond is more of a playmaker than scorer, so he would likely be setting someone up.

[:Unknown]

timw33 said:

Grabner said:

youneedhockey101 said:

Anyways, do you think we will one day see this line as our second line?


Sergei Shirokov Ryan Kesler Michael Grabner

or

Mason Raymond Ryan Kesler Michael Grabner

Yep, that's exactly what I was thinking

Sedin - Sedin - Pyatt
Raymond - Kesler - Grabner
Simek - Morrison - Naslund
Burrows - Rypien - Fuller

Sweet 4th line if Fuller has good speed.

We definitly need that 6'3+ playmaking centre with good speed though.

As for people setting up Raymond, Raymond is more of a playmaker than scorer, so he would likely be setting someone up.

So draft a Center who has a good scoring touch but also can make a pass.

[timw33]

:Unknown said:

timw33 said:

Grabner said:

youneedhockey101 said:

Anyways, do you think we will one day see this line as our second line?


Sergei Shirokov Ryan Kesler Michael Grabner

or

Mason Raymond Ryan Kesler Michael Grabner

Yep, that's exactly what I was thinking

Sedin - Sedin - Pyatt
Raymond - Kesler - Grabner
Simek - Morrison - Naslund
Burrows - Rypien - Fuller

Sweet 4th line if Fuller has good speed.

We definitly need that 6'3+ playmaking centre with good speed though.

As for people setting up Raymond, Raymond is more of a playmaker than scorer, so he would likely be setting someone up.

So draft a Center who has a good scoring touch but also can make a pass.

Brandon Sutter :twisted:

[Blister Soul]

timw33 said:

Grabner said:

youneedhockey101 said:

Anyways, do you think we will one day see this line as our second line?


Sergei Shirokov Ryan Kesler Michael Grabner

or

Mason Raymond Ryan Kesler Michael Grabner

Yep, that's exactly what I was thinking

Sedin - Sedin - Pyatt
Raymond - Kesler - Grabner
Simek - Morrison - Naslund
Burrows - Rypien - Fuller

Sweet 4th line if Fuller has good speed.

We definitly need that 6'3+ playmaking centre with good speed though.

As for people setting up Raymond, Raymond is more of a playmaker than scorer, so he would likely be setting someone up.

By the time Grabner/Simek/Raymond are NHL ready, do you really think Naslund will be around? I don't see Naslund wanting to be a third-liner. Plus, I'm sure we have better prospects to take fourth line positions.

[timw33]

The Imposter said:

timw33 said:

Grabner said:

youneedhockey101 said:

Anyways, do you think we will one day see this line as our second line?


Sergei Shirokov Ryan Kesler Michael Grabner

or

Mason Raymond Ryan Kesler Michael Grabner

Yep, that's exactly what I was thinking

Sedin - Sedin - Pyatt
Raymond - Kesler - Grabner
Simek - Morrison - Naslund
Burrows - Rypien - Fuller

Sweet 4th line if Fuller has good speed.

We definitly need that 6'3+ playmaking centre with good speed though.

As for people setting up Raymond, Raymond is more of a playmaker than scorer, so he would likely be setting someone up.

By the time Grabner/Simek/Raymond are NHL ready, do you really think Naslund will be around? I don't see Naslund wanting to be a third-liner. Plus, I'm sure we have better prospects to take fourth line positions.

Naslund will have retired for sure.

BTW I'm going to the Salmon Kings on Wednesday so I'll have a looksie at MA Bernier, Ellis/Vincent, and I guess F-P Guennete.

[Ohlundfortehwin]

So does Jozef Balej still count as a prospect, and do the canucks still have his rights? if so, where is he now? I'm just wondering cause i really thought he could be decent in the NHL.

[Rough Neck]

Ohlundfortehwin said:

So does Jozef Balej still count as a prospect, and do the canucks still have his rights? if so, where is he now? I'm just wondering cause i really thought he could be decent in the NHL.

Plays in the swiss for..Fribourg-Gotteron

[itzabreeze]

Grabner said:

youneedhockey101 said:

Anyways, do you think we will one day see this line as our second line?


Sergei Shirokov Ryan Kesler Michael Grabner

or

Mason Raymond Ryan Kesler Michael Grabner

Yep, that's exactly what I was thinking

Sedin - Sedin - Pyatt
Raymond - Kesler - Grabner
Simek - Morrison - Naslund
Burrows - Rypien - Fuller

I just don't see Kes as a 2nd line Centre, EVER.
Edit: When Grabner and Simek make the team, I doubt the Canucks will have Nazzy in the lineup, let alone the third line.

[streifel15]

great thread. appreciate all the effort you've put in

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timw33 said:

As for people setting up Raymond, Raymond is more of a playmaker than scorer, so he would likely be setting someone up.

I think Raymond is a type of player who can be a playmaker and a scorer. You're probably right that he is more of a playmaker than a scorer but he does have a scoring touch.

It will be interesting to see how everything pans out in the future. Will Grabner and Raymond have good chemistry together? Or will we have an all euro line in Simek, Shirokov and Grabner (Yeah I know none of them are centres). Anyways we have some solid offensive players now in the system, hopefully these guys can come together in a few years and cause some damage offensively.

[itzabreeze]

Interesting....

http://www.spokesman...postID=764#more

Best of the West

The results are in from the Tri-City Herald's annual "Best of the West" ratings of players and front-office personnel in the Western Conference of the Western Hockey League.

Ballots are mailed to players, coaches, and some media members and the results make a great hockey conversation starter. Kudos to Michael Grabner, best skater, and dubious honors to David Rutherford, third-most irritating, among a gaggle of selections for Chiefs players.

Quote

Best Pro Prospect
Peter Mueller, Everett, 77.5 percent; Carey Price, Tri-Cities, 74.4; Cody Franson, Vancouver, 25; Leland Irving, Everett, 24.3; Michael Grabner, Spokane, 20; Aaron Gagnon, Seattle, 6.6.

Quote

Best Skater  
Michael Grabner, Spokane, 67.4 percent; Ray Macias, Kamloops, 39.5; Aaron Gagnon, Seattle, 37; Erik Felde, Tri-Cities, 19.7; Peter Mueller, Everett, 10.8; Brendan Mikkelson, Vancouver, 10.2.  

Conclusion: Grabby=Best skater in the ENTIRE WHL by a landslide :twisted:

Quote

Accurate Shot
Aaron Gagnon, Seattle, 47.6 percent; Colton Yellow Horn, Tri-Cities, 44.1; Devin Setoguchi, Prince George, 35.7; Peter Mueller, Everett, 30.7; Michael Grabner, Spokane, 23.1; Brock Nixon, Kamloops, 15.4.  

[ModoExpress]

itzabreeze said:

Interesting....

http://www.spokesman...postID=764#more

Best of the West

The results are in from the Tri-City Herald's annual "Best of the West" ratings of players and front-office personnel in the Western Conference of the Western Hockey League.

Ballots are mailed to players, coaches, and some media members and the results make a great hockey conversation starter. Kudos to Michael Grabner, best skater, and dubious honors to David Rutherford, third-most irritating, among a gaggle of selections for Chiefs players.

Quote

Best Pro Prospect
Peter Mueller, Everett, 77.5 percent; Carey Price, Tri-Cities, 74.4; Cody Franson, Vancouver, 25; Leland Irving, Everett, 24.3; Michael Grabner, Spokane, 20; Aaron Gagnon, Seattle, 6.6.

Quote

Best Skater  
Michael Grabner, Spokane, 67.4 percent; Ray Macias, Kamloops, 39.5; Aaron Gagnon, Seattle, 37; Erik Felde, Tri-Cities, 19.7; Peter Mueller, Everett, 10.8; Brendan Mikkelson, Vancouver, 10.2.  

Conclusion: Grabby=Best skater in the ENTIRE WHL by a landslide :twisted:

Quote

Accurate Shot
Aaron Gagnon, Seattle, 47.6 percent; Colton Yellow Horn, Tri-Cities, 44.1; Devin Setoguchi, Prince George, 35.7; Peter Mueller, Everett, 30.7; Michael Grabner, Spokane, 23.1; Brock Nixon, Kamloops, 15.4.  

grabner is money in the bank
i;m stoked to hear that

[Untouchable]

Grabner and Raymon are going to give a lot of trouble to the opposing team, I can slowly see this team is turning into the Sabres with the scouting staff drafting players on speed.

[shafman]

It says that Schneider is the 2nd best goalie prospect in the world. Is Tuuka Rask number one?

[ModoExpress]

shafman said:

It says that Schneider is the 2nd best goalie prospect in the world. Is Tuuka Rask number one?

price is up there...

irving is gonna be good

and that rangers prospect goalie is good too

i would rank schneider top 5, maybe top 3.. but i'm being a homer

[timw33]

Also in that best of the west article:

Most Overrated
Chris Durand, Prince George 40.2 percent; Devin Setoguchi, Prince George, 24.7; Kenndal McArdle, Vancouver, 20.1; Brendan Mikkelson, Vancouver, 19.9; Ty Wishart, Prince George, 15.5; Moises Gutierrez, Everett, 9.4.

[Toxic]

1. Price
2. Schneider
3. Irving

Rask had a HORRID WJC

My source on Bourdon:


So far, Luc Bourdon hasn't been anything overly special as a Cape Breton
Screaming Eagle. He hasn't been BAD, but so far he hasn't really done
anything that a lot of other much less expensive defencemen around the
league couldn't have done had we acquired them instead.

As for the lack of flashy offensive numbers, I think that's because we
acquired him more to play a shutdown type role than anything else. We
already have successful offensive defencemen in JC Sawyer (2nd in league in
defenseman points) and Flyers' prospect Oskars Bartulis, so we needed
Bourdon for his physical play and shutdown ability more than we needed him
to quarterback any powerplays and put up a ton of points. That said, you'd
think he'd have a few more points than he has, wouldn't you? We tried him
quite a bit on the powerplay, but it never seemed to produce any results to
speak of. And his +/- has been only "even" since coming here I
think............... it was a +17 in just 13 games in Moncton. He's been a
steady defensive defenceman and all, but he hasn't been the impact star we
were hoping for.

On the plus side, he eats up a lot of ice time, and this really takes a lot
of pressure off of Sawyer and Bartulis.......... I billet Sawyer, and he
confided in me that he was starting to wear down before we acquired Bourdon,
because he was playing almost 40 minutes a game and it was just too much.
The acquistion of Bourdon has helped Sawyer and Bartulis in that regard. JC
continues to counter my doubts that trading for Bourdon wasn't a good idea,
and keeps vouching for him that we had to pick him up. He pointed out that
"When was the last time a team scored more than three goals on us?" I
thought about it, and he has a point - most games we only allow 1 or 2.
However, I still hold my doubts that we really needed to trade blue-chipper
Mark Barberio for this player who's not exactly lighting the world on fire
since we got him.

Bourdon is quietly playing a shutdown role, and I guess our recent reduction
in goals against may indicate that he's doing that job better than most fans
seem to think right now, although a lot of that also has to do with the
re-emergence of our star goaltender, Thrashers' prospect Ondrej Pavelec, who
has been playing unbelievably in the 2nd half after a pretty mediocre first
half.

I guess that all in all, I'd call him a mild disappointment so far. I was
going to consider him a significant disappointment so far until JC pointed
out the fact that (1) he's taken a lot of pressure off of himself and
Bartulis (2) our goals against has improved significantly since we acquired
Bourdon.

Our team has been up and down lately.......... winning huge games against
fellow contenders (including three against first-overall Lewiston), yet
losing games to bottom-feeders. It's kind of weird seeing us trailing by
one goal late in a game against a bottom feeder type team like Saint John or
Rimouski, having Bourdon out there in the final minute....... this big "NHL
guy"........... and him not being able to help tie the game up.

I don't know, he's been just OK so far.......... although I guess the jury's
kind of out until the playoffs. But I have a bad feeling we're going to
regret this trade.

So yeah, in summary........... steady defensive presence so far, but not the
star we hoped (and paid) for.

[The Internet Killer]

toxic rd said:

My source on Bourdon:


So far, Luc Bourdon hasn't been anything overly special as a Cape Breton
Screaming Eagle.  He hasn't been BAD, but so far he hasn't really done
anything that a lot of other much less expensive defencemen around the
league couldn't have done had we acquired them instead.

As for the lack of flashy offensive numbers, I think that's because we
acquired him more to play a shutdown type role than anything else.  We
already have successful offensive defencemen in JC Sawyer (2nd in league in
defenseman points) and Flyers' prospect Oskars Bartulis, so we needed
Bourdon for his physical play and shutdown ability more than we needed him
to quarterback any powerplays and put up a ton of points.  That said, you'd
think he'd have a few more points than he has, wouldn't you?  We tried him
quite a bit on the powerplay, but it never seemed to produce any results to
speak of.  And his +/- has been only "even" since coming here I
think............... it was a +17 in just 13 games in Moncton.  He's been a
steady defensive defenceman and all, but he hasn't been the impact star we
were hoping for.

On the plus side, he eats up a lot of ice time, and this really takes a lot
of pressure off of Sawyer and Bartulis.......... I billet Sawyer, and he
confided in me that he was starting to wear down before we acquired Bourdon,
because he was playing almost 40 minutes a game and it was just too much.
The acquistion of Bourdon has helped Sawyer and Bartulis in that regard.  JC
continues to counter my doubts that trading for Bourdon wasn't a good idea,
and keeps vouching for him that we had to pick him up.  He pointed out that
"When was the last time a team scored more than three goals on us?"  I
thought about it, and he has a point - most games we only allow 1 or 2.
However, I still hold my doubts that we really needed to trade blue-chipper
Mark Barberio for this player who's not exactly lighting the world on fire
since we got him.

Bourdon is quietly playing a shutdown role, and I guess our recent reduction
in goals against may indicate that he's doing that job better than most fans
seem to think right now, although a lot of that also has to do with the
re-emergence of our star goaltender, Thrashers' prospect Ondrej Pavelec, who
has been playing unbelievably in the 2nd half after a pretty mediocre first
half.

I guess that all in all, I'd call him a mild disappointment so far.  I was
going to consider him a significant disappointment so far until JC pointed
out the fact that (1) he's taken a lot of pressure off of himself and
Bartulis (2) our goals against has improved significantly since we acquired
Bourdon.

Our team has been up and down lately.......... winning huge games against
fellow contenders (including three against first-overall Lewiston), yet
losing games to bottom-feeders.  It's kind of weird seeing us trailing by
one goal late in a game against a bottom feeder type team like Saint John or
Rimouski, having Bourdon out there in the final minute....... this big "NHL
guy"........... and him not being able to help tie the game up.

I don't know, he's been just OK so far.......... although I guess the jury's
kind of out until the playoffs.  But I have a bad feeling we're going to
regret this trade.

So yeah, in summary........... steady defensive presence so far, but not the
star we hoped (and paid) for.

What part of shutdown defenceman does your source have trouble understanding??? As for there star goalie play better ... ?? Could it be a good shutdown defenceman really help a goalie out. Bourdon has been given a job to do on the team and it sure sounds like he is doing it !!!

Just my $.02 worth.

[ModoExpress]

The Internet Killer said:

toxic rd said:

My source on Bourdon:


So far, Luc Bourdon hasn't been anything overly special as a Cape Breton
Screaming Eagle.  He hasn't been BAD, but so far he hasn't really done
anything that a lot of other much less expensive defencemen around the
league couldn't have done had we acquired them instead.

As for the lack of flashy offensive numbers, I think that's because we
acquired him more to play a shutdown type role than anything else.  We
already have successful offensive defencemen in JC Sawyer (2nd in league in
defenseman points) and Flyers' prospect Oskars Bartulis, so we needed
Bourdon for his physical play and shutdown ability more than we needed him
to quarterback any powerplays and put up a ton of points.  That said, you'd
think he'd have a few more points than he has, wouldn't you?  We tried him
quite a bit on the powerplay, but it never seemed to produce any results to
speak of.  And his +/- has been only "even" since coming here I
think............... it was a +17 in just 13 games in Moncton.  He's been a
steady defensive defenceman and all, but he hasn't been the impact star we
were hoping for.

On the plus side, he eats up a lot of ice time, and this really takes a lot
of pressure off of Sawyer and Bartulis.......... I billet Sawyer, and he
confided in me that he was starting to wear down before we acquired Bourdon,
because he was playing almost 40 minutes a game and it was just too much.
The acquistion of Bourdon has helped Sawyer and Bartulis in that regard.  JC
continues to counter my doubts that trading for Bourdon wasn't a good idea,
and keeps vouching for him that we had to pick him up.  He pointed out that
"When was the last time a team scored more than three goals on us?"  I
thought about it, and he has a point - most games we only allow 1 or 2.
However, I still hold my doubts that we really needed to trade blue-chipper
Mark Barberio for this player who's not exactly lighting the world on fire
since we got him.

Bourdon is quietly playing a shutdown role, and I guess our recent reduction
in goals against may indicate that he's doing that job better than most fans
seem to think right now, although a lot of that also has to do with the
re-emergence of our star goaltender, Thrashers' prospect Ondrej Pavelec, who
has been playing unbelievably in the 2nd half after a pretty mediocre first
half.

I guess that all in all, I'd call him a mild disappointment so far.  I was
going to consider him a significant disappointment so far until JC pointed
out the fact that (1) he's taken a lot of pressure off of himself and
Bartulis (2) our goals against has improved significantly since we acquired
Bourdon.

Our team has been up and down lately.......... winning huge games against
fellow contenders (including three against first-overall Lewiston), yet
losing games to bottom-feeders.  It's kind of weird seeing us trailing by
one goal late in a game against a bottom feeder type team like Saint John or
Rimouski, having Bourdon out there in the final minute....... this big "NHL
guy"........... and him not being able to help tie the game up.

I don't know, he's been just OK so far.......... although I guess the jury's
kind of out until the playoffs.  But I have a bad feeling we're going to
regret this trade.

So yeah, in summary........... steady defensive presence so far, but not the
star we hoped (and paid) for.

What part of shutdown defenceman does your source have trouble understanding??? As for there star goalie play better ... ?? Could it be a good shutdown defenceman really help a goalie out. Bourdon has been given a job to do on the team and it sure sounds like he is doing it !!!

Just my $.02 worth.

its not that he isn't doing his job..

it sounds like ppl expected more form bourdon, offensively. He hasn't delivered as advertised... Nonetheless, it nice to hear hes working on his defensive game, but its a shame he hasn't been putting up the numbers