[B Kuzma]

timw33 said:

B Kuzma said:

timw33 said:

B Kuzma said:

Bourdon is overrated  :cry:

Watch what you say.

He has piss poor hockey sense. That is holding him back from being a great prospect :cry:

He'd be a -15 if he had poor hockey sense, especially in the high scoring QMJHL.

He would be a huge + player with more offensive numbers if he Letang like hockey sense.

It is a shame that developing hockey sense is a lot harder then anything else. :cry: If this kid knew when to pinch in on plays, cheat etc he would be a much more effective player on all 3 zones of the ice.

[timw33]

B Kuzma said:

timw33 said:

B Kuzma said:

timw33 said:

B Kuzma said:

Bourdon is overrated  :cry:

Watch what you say.

He has piss poor hockey sense. That is holding him back from being a great prospect :cry:

He'd be a -15 if he had poor hockey sense, especially in the high scoring QMJHL.

He would be a huge + player with more offensive numbers if he Letang like hockey sense.

It is a shame that developing hockey sense is a lot harder then anything else. :cry: If this kid knew when to pinch in on plays, cheat etc he would be a much more effective player on all 3 zones of the ice.

Cape Breton acquired him to be a defensive presence to let their top two guys play their game more effectively and ease off on their minutes.

But yes he should have some points.

I wouldn't worry about it.

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B Kuzma said:

timw33 said:

B Kuzma said:

timw33 said:

B Kuzma said:

Bourdon is overrated  :cry:

Watch what you say.

He has piss poor hockey sense. That is holding him back from being a great prospect :cry:

He'd be a -15 if he had poor hockey sense, especially in the high scoring QMJHL.

He would be a huge + player with more offensive numbers if he Letang like hockey sense.

It is a shame that developing hockey sense is a lot harder then anything else. :cry: If this kid knew when to pinch in on plays, cheat etc he would be a much more effective player on all 3 zones of the ice.

Hockey sense can be taught through coaching(I disagree that Bourdon lacks hockey sense). Raw, natural talent is what cannot be taught. Bourdon has natural talent and is a great prospect.

[ModoExpress]

Stop bitching about Bourdon

hes isn't gonna be a scott neidermeyer or a phaneuf.. hes gonna be bourdon

he'll be a good top 4 dman.. he isn't a franchise dman, contrary to what most of these kids on this board want to think.

He is physical, great skater and a great shot.. he may make a couple dumb mistakes, but he'll get better with experience

i think ppl need to stfu and be happy we even havve a prospect the calibre of bourdon instead of constantly bitching he isn't good enough.. god dman.. hes only 19

[B Kuzma]

mball said:

B Kuzma said:

timw33 said:

B Kuzma said:

timw33 said:

B Kuzma said:

Bourdon is overrated  :cry:

Watch what you say.

He has piss poor hockey sense. That is holding him back from being a great prospect :cry:

He'd be a -15 if he had poor hockey sense, especially in the high scoring QMJHL.

He would be a huge + player with more offensive numbers if he Letang like hockey sense.

It is a shame that developing hockey sense is a lot harder then anything else. :cry: If this kid knew when to pinch in on plays, cheat etc he would be a much more effective player on all 3 zones of the ice.

Hockey sense can be taught through coaching(I disagree that Bourdon lacks hockey sense). Raw, natural talent is what cannot be taught. Bourdon has natural talent and is a great prospect.

Hockey Sense can be taught? More like it can be developed.

Coaching and hockey sense is a totally different trait in hockey...

Systems aren't the same thing has hockey sense and that is why there are always the huge gap in the elite players vs the 3rd/4th line players. If hockey sense could be taught then everyone could be taught to be a pure goal scorer or a offensive d man in this league...

Bourdon lack of hockey sense is prohibiting him to be the player he was projected to be which is a offensive d man "jovo like".

[B Kuzma]

Our offensive prospects seem to hold some promising results for the Canucks in the future but our back end prospects are mainly all overrated.

Koltsov could be a defensive liability with a ego problem. Resulting in going back to Russia to play.

Rahimi could be too stupid to play in the NHL if he doesn't get his head worked out

Bourdon could be a 5th and 6th defenseman but he seems to be developing at a slow rate. Might not hit his projected role as a prospect.

Edler after showing us some unreal hockey has died back down to reality. He gets owned physically and easy to knock off the puck. Defensively he has shown the most promise for us though and he looks to be our best bet for future D.

[Grabner]

B Kuzma said:

Our offensive prospects seem to hold some promising results for the Canucks in the future but our back end prospects are mainly all overrated.

Koltsov could be a defensive liability with a ego problem.  Resulting in going back to Russia to play.

Rahimi could be too stupid to play in the NHL if he doesn't get his head worked out

Bourdon could be a 5th and 6th defenseman but he seems to be developing at a slow rate.  Might not hit his projected role as a prospect.

Edler after showing us some unreal hockey has died back down to reality.  He gets owned physically and easy to knock off the puck.  Defensively he has shown the most promise for us though and he looks to be our best bet for future D.

You really don't know what you're talking about.

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B Kuzma said:

Hockey Sense can be taught?  More like it can be developed.

Coaching and hockey sense is a totally different trait in hockey...

Systems aren't the same thing has hockey sense and that is why there are always the huge gap in the elite players vs the 3rd/4th line players.  If hockey sense could be taught then everyone could be taught to be a pure goal scorer or a offensive d man in this league...

Bourdon lack of hockey sense is prohibiting him to be the player he was projected to be which is a offensive d man "jovo like".

You may be right in that hockey sense is more easily developed over time than being taught by a coach. But to say that because Bourdon lacks hockey sense it will prohibit him from ever being more than a 5th or 6th defenseman is ridiculous. He is 19 years old and has plenty of time to refine his skills and adjust to the NHL. People forget that Bieksa is 24 years old. He's no rookie and his surprising play is a result of extra time in college/minors. Give Bourdon some time. To call him overrated is both stupid and unfair. I don't expect him to be a superstar defenseman during his career. But I think he has the potential to be a top 4 D and if he could do that I don't think it would be a disappointment in any way.

[Millerdraft]

B Kuzma said:

Bourdon lack of hockey sense is prohibiting him to be the player he was projected to be which is a offensive d man "jovo like".

Bourdon was not drafted because he reminded us of Jovo. Nonis wanted to forget all the boneheaded Jovo plays/penalties so badly that he didn't even try to contact his agent.

Bourdon was drafted because he reminded us of Ohlund, not Cough-it-up-ski. There's a reason that a player like Wade Redden is a +125 or so better than Jovo and it ain't because Eddie gets all of his points on the powerplay!

[B Kuzma]

how is bourdon suppose to be like Ohlund?

I mean just their skating alone makes for drastic differences in the style of game they will play...

[Krnuckfan]

B Kuzma said:

how is bourdon suppose to be like Ohlund?

I mean just their skating alone makes for drastic differences in the style of game they will play...

Because he has the ability to be effective in all situations: PP, PK, even-strength and log lots of minutes.

[B Kuzma]

Krnuckfan said:

B Kuzma said:

how is bourdon suppose to be like Ohlund?

I mean just their skating alone makes for drastic differences in the style of game they will play...

Because he has the ability to be effective in all situations: PP, PK, even-strength and log lots of minutes.

So you mean like a Lidstrom/Nediemeyer type guy?

Ohlund is a pylong in todays NHL.

[Millerdraft]

B Kuzma said:

how is bourdon suppose to be like Ohlund?

I mean just their skating alone makes for drastic differences in the style of game they will play...

Ohlund is not an overly gifted player in any one area. He, however, hits very hard, has a heavy shot, makes good first passes and can play the point on the PP. He doesn't jump up into the rush too much, thereby exposing himself defensively, but when the team needs an offensive boost he can do it.

Ohlund is a solid, all-around defenseman who quietly anchors a D-corps and flies under the Norris radar. Jovo was/is an exciting offensive player but also a big defensive liability. Bourdon can put up points, as proven at the WJC tourneys, lays heavy hits and has played a solid positional defense at the junior level (+19). He won't be overly spectacular in any one area but will develop into a jack of all trades/master of none type player.

That's much more an Ohlund than Jovo. Speed has nothing to do with it, well, unless you consider that he'll just be a faster version of Mattias.

[Millerdraft]

B Kuzma said:

Krnuckfan said:

B Kuzma said:

how is bourdon suppose to be like Ohlund?

I mean just their skating alone makes for drastic differences in the style of game they will play...

Because he has the ability to be effective in all situations: PP, PK, even-strength and log lots of minutes.

So you mean like a Lidstrom/Nediemeyer type guy?

Ohlund is a pylong in todays NHL.

And Mitchell isn't?

Do you even know what sound "positional" defense is? Or "keeping shots to the perimeter"? Blocking "passing and shooting lanes with your stick and body"? Because if you did, you'd realize that we have some of the best in the league at this. That, and that's exactly what our coach preaches.

[B Kuzma]

Millerdraft said:

B Kuzma said:

Krnuckfan said:

B Kuzma said:

how is bourdon suppose to be like Ohlund?

I mean just their skating alone makes for drastic differences in the style of game they will play...

Because he has the ability to be effective in all situations: PP, PK, even-strength and log lots of minutes.

So you mean like a Lidstrom/Nediemeyer type guy?

Ohlund is a pylong in todays NHL.

And Mitchell isn't?

Do you even know what sound "positional" defense is? Or "keeping shots to the perimeter"? Blocking "passing and shooting lanes with your stick and body"? Because if you did, you'd realize that we have some of the best in the league at this. That, and that's exactly what our coach preaches.

You mean body positioning that ohlund doesn't have? His strong suit was in the old NHL where he could clutch and grab a little. Now his speed along with his vision hurts him so much.

He doesn't have the greatest of stick checking ability which makes Mitchell more valuable in shutting down D men in this league then Ohlund now. Ohlund is overrated and having a d man develop into an Ohlund type player isn't the best thing for us to have.

He follows a system like our entire defensive unit does... whats new about that?

It is the fact that he looks flat footed, lazy and down right stupid on plays that make me question is worth to the hockey team now. His defensive game of late and offensive game of late haven't been good.

[Millerdraft]

B Kuzma said:

Millerdraft said:

B Kuzma said:

Krnuckfan said:

B Kuzma said:

how is bourdon suppose to be like Ohlund?

I mean just their skating alone makes for drastic differences in the style of game they will play...

Because he has the ability to be effective in all situations: PP, PK, even-strength and log lots of minutes.

So you mean like a Lidstrom/Nediemeyer type guy?

Ohlund is a pylong in todays NHL.

And Mitchell isn't?

Do you even know what sound "positional" defense is? Or "keeping shots to the perimeter"? Blocking "passing and shooting lanes with your stick and body"? Because if you did, you'd realize that we have some of the best in the league at this. That, and that's exactly what our coach preaches.

You mean body positioning that ohlund doesn't have? His strong suit was in the old NHL where he could clutch and grab a little. Now his speed along with his vision hurts him so much.

He doesn't have the greatest of stick checking ability which makes Mitchell more valuable in shutting down D men in this league then Ohlund now. Ohlund is overrated and having a d man develop into an Ohlund type player isn't the best thing for us to have.

He follows a system like our entire defensive unit does... whats new about that?

It is the fact that he looks flat footed, lazy and down right stupid on plays that make me question is worth to the hockey team now. His defensive game of late and offensive game of late haven't been good.

Ohlund is not as bad as you think. He had waaaay more gaffes early on this year and I was on the "get rid of Ohlund" bandwagon even though he was scoring. Ohlund keeps players to the outside. You cannot deny this. They may be faster than he is, but I do not see them cutting to the net and running over Louie when he's on the ice (ala Krajicek/Fitzpatrick). They cycle and cycle and eventually turn the puck over and this is where I do agree with you. Ohlund gets tired and just tries to dump it out but often times it doesn't get out.

As for his stupid plays, have you been watching Bieksa lately? Five huge mistakes a game. You praise Mitchell and then complain about Ohlund's offense. Both make $3.5m. Ohlund may not be as good defensively as Mitchell, but offensively it's not even close. Ohlund's tied for 8th in the NHL with McCabe, Niedermayer and Lidstrom with 10 goals lol. That's pretty good, imo.

Face it, Ohlund is a very good two-way defenseman and if Bourdon can develop into a fast version of Ohlund, then that's 1000x better than "pass it up the middle" Jovo.

[timw33]

Grabner said:

B Kuzma said:

Our offensive prospects seem to hold some promising results for the Canucks in the future but our back end prospects are mainly all overrated.

Koltsov could be a defensive liability with a ego problem.  Resulting in going back to Russia to play.

Rahimi could be too stupid to play in the NHL if he doesn't get his head worked out

Bourdon could be a 5th and 6th defenseman but he seems to be developing at a slow rate.  Might not hit his projected role as a prospect.

Edler after showing us some unreal hockey has died back down to reality.  He gets owned physically and easy to knock off the puck.  Defensively he has shown the most promise for us though and he looks to be our best bet for future D.

You really don't know what you're talking about.

QFT.

Bourdon a 5th or 6th dman.....He's not developing slow, he's 19 for f*cks sake. Provide us with proof that he is developing slow.

Rahimi too stupid...gaawd

Koltsov doesnt have an ego problem, unless its a typo for Eggo and Russia's lack of toaster waffles.

Defencemen come into their own around 24/25 like Bieksa.

It is RARE that a 19 or 20 year old can step in and make an impact (Phaneuf, Vlasic).

[jayRmichigan]

Moose down 2-0 .... MacIntyre in net.

[Messier's_nutsack]

B Kuzma said:

Millerdraft said:

B Kuzma said:

Krnuckfan said:

B Kuzma said:

how is bourdon suppose to be like Ohlund?

I mean just their skating alone makes for drastic differences in the style of game they will play...

Because he has the ability to be effective in all situations: PP, PK, even-strength and log lots of minutes.

So you mean like a Lidstrom/Nediemeyer type guy?

Ohlund is a pylong in todays NHL.

And Mitchell isn't?

Do you even know what sound "positional" defense is? Or "keeping shots to the perimeter"? Blocking "passing and shooting lanes with your stick and body"? Because if you did, you'd realize that we have some of the best in the league at this. That, and that's exactly what our coach preaches.

You mean body positioning that ohlund doesn't have? His strong suit was in the old NHL where he could clutch and grab a little. Now his speed along with his vision hurts him so much.

He doesn't have the greatest of stick checking ability which makes Mitchell more valuable in shutting down D men in this league then Ohlund now. Ohlund is overrated and having a d man develop into an Ohlund type player isn't the best thing for us to have.

He follows a system like our entire defensive unit does... whats new about that?

It is the fact that he looks flat footed, lazy and down right stupid on plays that make me question is worth to the hockey team now. His defensive game of late and offensive game of late haven't been good.

ZOMG, GUYS LOOK OUT IT'S THE !!!!!1111 AND AS A RESULT ALL CANUCK DEFENSEMEN ARE HORRIBLE PYLONS BUT SOMEHOW WE STILL HAVE ONE OF THE LOWEST GOALS AGAINST IN THE LEAGUE.
Stop being such a negative Nancy.

[one night]

B Kuzma said:

timw33 said:

B Kuzma said:

Bourdon is overrated  :cry:

Watch what you say.

He has piss poor hockey sense. That is holding him back from being a great prospect :cry:

Well your Mommy must have had poor child rearing sense otherwise she would have aborted you before birth.