[Grabner]

timw33, on Nov 2 2007, 04:08 PM, said:

This board has pretty much gone to sh*t.

Absoloute panic mode.

Everyone just giving up and suggesting that either we A: trade all of our prospects away to get impact players for the year or

B: Go into complete rebuild and purposely tank to get Steven Stamkos.

Its just idiotic, it was exactly like this last year too.

I agree with you to some extent. But last season's situation was much different. Before we went on that run before Christmas, we weren't winning many games but there were still many good things in the team. We were outplaying and out-chancing our opponents every night but just didn't have any puck luck. Our defense and goaltending was rock solid. Then after Christmas the team came together and we started to score more and Luongo took his game totally to anther level and we had that incredible run.

Right now there is nothing at all that you can say is good about this team. We can't score and we can't play defense. Last night we just lost three of our top defensemen in Krajicek, Salo and Bieksa. Also Luongo seems to be slightly injured, his game is no where near where it needs to be. If you can convince me that Edler, Bourdon and McIver can step in and all be top four defensemen and Nonic can pull another rabbit from the hat and go out and get a top six forward then it's all good. But right now there is nothing optimistic about this team. I see no point in trying to patch up a few of the holes by giving up the farm.

[timw33]

Gendur with 2 assists tonight.

[Untouchable]

It's nice to see that three rookies from the Moose are in the top 20 rookie scoring, (Grabner, P.C. Labrie, Luc Bourdon). I believe that Grabner is making a bigger impact on the Moose then Raymond has and Grabner is the youngest player on the team.

[lfergs]

Untouchable, on Nov 2 2007, 11:07 PM, said:

It's nice to see that three rookies from the Moose are in the top 20 rookie scoring, (Grabner, P.C. Labrie, Luc Bourdon). I believe that Grabner is making a bigger impact on the Moose then Raymond has and Grabner is the youngest player on the team.

Raymond has only played three games. Recording three points in that time.

[Rinslet]

VERY good night for the prospects.

Cool to see Ellington scoring tho. And Gendur assisting... haha 1-2 punch. :B

[Untouchable]

lfergs, on Nov 2 2007, 11:42 PM, said:

Raymond has only played three games. Recording three points in that time.

count back to last season and Raymond has 4 points in 11 games, Grabner has 9 points in 13 games.

[Gnickers87]

Untouchable, on Nov 3 2007, 11:24 AM, said:

count back to last season and Raymond has 4 points in 11 games, Grabner has 9 points in 13 games.

actually, Raymond has 7 points in 14 games including last season

[Gnickers87]

Although Gendur's 7goals/17 assists/ 24 points in 16 games are probably more cause of his teammates. (Beach has 25, Hamill has 20) At least we know the guy can put up points with good linemates

[Flinch]

Untouchable, on Nov 2 2007, 06:07 PM, said:

It's nice to see that three rookies from the Moose are in the top 20 rookie scoring, (Grabner, P.C. Labrie, Luc Bourdon). I believe that Grabner is making a bigger impact on the Moose then Raymond has and Grabner is the youngest player on the team.

Grabner's played every game for the Moose thus far and Raymond has played in a handful.

Of course Grabner would be making the bigger impact.

I also think Luongo has made a bigger impact for the Canucks than Sanford. Duh?

[Dortmund]

If only Simek or Raymond could play center. It would be fun to watch a pure offensive line of Simek Raymond Grabner.

[timw33]

Gnickers87, on Nov 3 2007, 02:08 PM, said:

actually, Raymond has 7 points in 14 games including last season

Depends on if you count his playoffs. Then it would be 27GP 2G 6A 8 Points.

Gnickers87, on Nov 3 2007, 02:10 PM, said:

Although Gendur's 7goals/17 assists/ 24 points in 16 games are probably more cause of his teammates. (Beach has 25, Hamill has 20) At least we know the guy can put up points with good linemates

I've mentioned that several times in this thread. I'd love to see him be successful at higher levels, but I have low expectations for him. I'm surprised Everett are third in their division with that great first line. Leland Irving has not been on form, or perhaps his stats were elevated behind an amazing defensive jugernaught last year that had Mueller, Guittez amongst others who left the team.

But man does Beach ever take bonehead penalties...

Helenius (Tbay 1st in 2006) has been great for the Thunderbirds.

Anyone else a little surpise at the point production Dana Tyrell has been putting up for PG?

One of the knocks against him is that his offensive instincts and hands wern't great going into that draft. 15GP 11G 13A 24P

Dortmund, on Nov 3 2007, 03:37 PM, said:

If only Simek or Raymond could play center. It would be fun to watch a pure offensive line of Simek Raymond Grabner.

Thats the knock about our system. No centres on the horizon except for Patrick White and to a lesser Extent C-A Mess and Kablukov.

Raymond is definitly more of playmaker than a scorer and that line would be pretty good could one of them play at C.

Raymond is the set up man.

Grabner is the shooter,

Simek is the dangler.

This post has been edited by timw33: 03 November 2007 - 04:18 PM

[timw33]

C-A Messiers team scores 8 goals, CA nowhere to be seen.

Edit: Brace yourselves, David Perron just scored.

This post has been edited by timw33: 03 November 2007 - 06:21 PM

[jayRmichigan]

timw33, on Nov 3 2007, 04:16 PM, said:

Anyone else a little surpise at the point production Dana Tyrell has been putting up for PG?

One of the knocks against him is that his offensive instincts and hands wern't great going into that draft. 15GP 11G 13A 24P

I'm not too suprised, I figured that with Setoguchi gone he would probably have a bigger role to fill. I know his hands aren't great, but his speed more than makes up for it. Ty Wishart has been doing pretty good too.

[thecupismine]

Good night for the CDC "bust" Bourdon. Despite minimal ice time, he played very well in the minutes given. Hopefully Vigneault puts Bourdon on the 1st unit PP (will relieve some pressure from Ohlund). Edler was absolutely amazing today, making all the right plays and didn't look out of place at all.

[timw33]

Edler goes on the first PP before Bourdon.

Kesler had a great chance to set up Luc for a one timer, but passed on it.

Was really hoping to see his shot.

Hansen had a solid game, drew a couple penalties, strong on the puck, shifty.

Mario Bliznak had the game tying goal and the shootout winning goal in a 2-1 Vancouver Giant Victory.

Taylor Matson, nothing in his last 3 games over the weekend. 9gp 2G 2A 4P -4 on the year so far.

And M-A Bernier is just being a bum, should pretty much be removed from the prospects thread. 1 point in 7 games....in the ECHL...I mean come on....he's just toiling there.

This post has been edited by timw33: 04 November 2007 - 02:22 AM

[timw33]

TSN has added their scouting report for Raymond

Assets Has exceptional skating ability and offensive instincts. Is equally adept at scoring goals and setting up linemates from the wing.

Flaws Is paper thin and must bulk up in order to survive the rigors of the NHL game. Must also improve his play without the puck.

Career potential Top six forward.

And Hansen

Assets Possesses a wealth of hockey sense and playmaking ability from the wing position. Is also a defensively aware player who makes his linemates better.

Flaws Doesn't have a lot of size or jam, which could hurt his ability to thrive at the NHL level. Has a tendency to pass up shots in order to distribute the puck.

Career potential Top six winger.

This post has been edited by timw33: 04 November 2007 - 02:55 AM

[lfergs]

timw33, on Nov 4 2007, 02:54 AM, said:

TSN has added their scouting report for Raymond

Assets Has exceptional skating ability and offensive instincts. Is equally adept at scoring goals and setting up linemates from the wing.

Flaws Is paper thin and must bulk up in order to survive the rigors of the NHL game. Must also improve his play without the puck.

Career potential Top six forward.

And Hansen

Assets Possesses a wealth of hockey sense and playmaking ability from the wing position. Is also a defensively aware player who makes his linemates better.

Flaws Doesn't have a lot of size or jam, which could hurt his ability to thrive at the NHL level. Has a tendency to pass up shots in order to distribute the puck.

Career potential Top six winger.

Hansen's has been up for a couple months now and Raymond's at least a month.

[timw33]

Bliznak 2 assists.
Ellington 1 assist.

White bumped down to 4th line duty, Minny losses 4-1 to Denver.

This post has been edited by timw33: 04 November 2007 - 11:22 PM

[Grabner]

timw33, on Nov 4 2007, 01:54 AM, said:

TSN has added their scouting report for Raymond

Assets Has exceptional skating ability and offensive instincts. Is equally adept at scoring goals and setting up linemates from the wing.

Flaws Is paper thin and must bulk up in order to survive the rigors of the NHL game. Must also improve his play without the puck.

Career potential Top six forward.

And Hansen

Assets Possesses a wealth of hockey sense and playmaking ability from the wing position. Is also a defensively aware player who makes his linemates better.

Flaws Doesn't have a lot of size or jam, which could hurt his ability to thrive at the NHL level. Has a tendency to pass up shots in order to distribute the puck.

Career potential Top six winger.

Edler and Bourdon also have theirs up...

EDLER

ASSETS: Owns a very projectable frame. Is smooth and steady at the back end, and has the makings of a sound all-around defender with offensive upside.
FLAWS: Must add more strength to thrive in the North American game. Needs to avoid injuries in order to maximize his all-around potential.
CAREER POTENTIAL: Top four defenseman.

BOURDON

ASSETS: Has excellent mobility. Knows how to play physical hockey. Also displays some offensive potential and the ability to log loads of ice time.
FLAWS: Has mental lapses in his game, which he'll need to correct in order to maximize his potential. Must learn when to pinch in from the point.
CAREER POTENTIAL: Top four defenseman.

[timw33]

So pretty much TSN thinks our kids have some potential.