does anyone know much about matson... he seems to be putting up decent numbers. Anyone care to elaborate?
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Posted 11 November 2007 - 05:20 PM
ModoExpress, on Nov 11 2007, 03:45 PM, said:
does anyone know much about matson... he seems to be putting up decent numbers. Anyone care to elaborate?
I don't think anyone knows much about Matson.
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Posted 11 November 2007 - 06:35 PM
Matson has good speed, good hands, acts like a bull in a china shop in traffic, is suprisingly difficult to knock off the puck and has good offensive instincts
Upside is a 3rd line grinder that notches 10-15 goals and 10-25 assists a year, good role player, no big flaws in his game
Upside is a 3rd line grinder that notches 10-15 goals and 10-25 assists a year, good role player, no big flaws in his game
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Posted 11 November 2007 - 07:32 PM
Make that 3
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Posted 11 November 2007 - 08:05 PM
Toxic, on Nov 11 2007, 05:35 PM, said:
Matson has good speed, good hands, acts like a bull in a china shop in traffic, is suprisingly difficult to knock off the puck and has good offensive instincts
Upside is a 3rd line grinder that notches 10-15 goals and 10-25 assists a year, good role player, no big flaws in his game
Upside is a 3rd line grinder that notches 10-15 goals and 10-25 assists a year, good role player, no big flaws in his game
Sounds like Kesler
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Learning on the Fly.
Making the jump from major junior hockey to the professional ranks can be a somewhat intimidating move for young players. Simply joining a new team in a new league can be difficult, but add in the dilemma of trying to learn a new language at the same time, and you’ve got a recipe for disaster.
At least in theory you do.
Manitoba Moose forward Pierre-Cedric Labrie is proving it can be done as he’s been one of the team’s biggest surprises this season, and he’s doing it as an AHL rookie who has never really spoken English before.
“It’s been coming along good,” said Moose head coach Scott Arniel, in reference to Labrie’s new linguistic skills. “You have to be careful how quick you speak to him, but he’s coming along and I’ve noticed a big difference from training camp until now, he’s caught on to a lot of things. But he is learning on the fly as we go here.”
His quick grasp of a second language has been impressive, but it doesn’t compare to the 20-year-old’s on-ice progress. In his first 10 games played with the Moose, Labrie collected four goals and four assists, alongside 23 penalty minutes, tying him for fourth in team scoring. Even more notable than his great start is how comfortable the left winger is on the power play, having scored two of his goals with the man advantage.
“I’m happy but I’m not surprised at how I’ve played so far,” said Labrie. “I am trying to work as hard as I can and I am learning a lot so far.”
Like many other young Moose, Labrie has veteran Mike Keane to thank for his early development. The three-time Stanley Cup champion has been instrumental in helping Labrie get accustomed to his new team.
“I am learning a lot from Mike Keane, I play with him a lot. I do what he says and I give a good effort. And I think it’s just that during practice I am trying to learn more things and it helps me during games.”
As of Nov. 9, Labrie sat tied for eleventh in AHL rookie scoring, something that not even Arniel, who was impressed with Labrie during training camp, could have predicted. The Moose coach believes that the 6’2”, 212-pound forward is just starting to realize his potential.
“I think a big thing with PC is that he’s such a strong guy,” said Arniel. “If you watch him in practice you can see what a strong skater he is. He’s a real powerful guy, he gets to the net, he gets to the corners and battles and comes out of corners with pucks and he has a nose for the net.
“The big thing that we’re really starting to see with him is that he’s got good hands. He can make plays, he just made some real nice passes for some goals on the road, he also knows to get to the net and find rebounds and he’s good at deflecting pucks. He’s a big physical guy and he has an edge to him and he knows that if there’s some tough stuff that has to be looked after, that he’s one of those guys. He’s a scrappy kid that’s really been a good surprise.”
A native of Baie-Comeau, Quebec, Labrie started playing hockey at the age of five, falling in love with the game instantly. As an only child he didn’t have any siblings to battle, so the youngster saved his aggression for when his skates were laced up and it enabled him to become a physical scoring threat.
At 17-years-old Labrie began playing in the Quebec Junior AAA Hockey League for the Coaticook Frontaliers. He spent two seasons in the QJAHL from 2003-2005, accumulating 32 points and 155 penalty minutes in 61 games, but it wasn’t until the following year that Labrie would truly make an impact.
As a member of the Restigouche Tigers in the Maritime Junior A Hockey League, Labrie exploded for 86 points and 153 penalty minutes in 53 games, by far the highest output of his career. His breakout season led to interest from the Quebec Major Junior Hockey League team in his hometown, the Baie-Comeau Drakkar, and Labrie was dealt to them at the start of the 2005-06 playoffs.
He scored twice and added two helpers in four playoff games with Baie-Comeau, before averaging just under a point a game (63 points in 68 games) for Drakkar last season. Another impressive campaign led to Labrie’s first professional contract as he signed with the Canucks in July 2007.
A great showing at Vancouver’s rookie camp, which Labrie describes as “the best experience of his life,” helped the gentle giant get to where he is today, but he knows there’s still plenty of work to be done.
“My speed needs to be better,” said Labrie. “My acceleration on the start, I need to practice that. I don’t need to create turnovers at the blueline, I need to practice that too. And I think when I am around the goal, I have to protect the puck with my body. And I need to keep playing physical in the corners.”
Those familiar with PC’s style of play have thrown out comparisons to that of a young Todd Bertuzzi, but that simply isn’t the case right now. Labrie has proven in years past that he can be a detrimental forward but even comparing him to former Moose right winger Lee Goren is premature, according to Arniel.
“Not yet. I think that Lee is such a veteran savvy kind of guy and Pierre hasn’t gotten there yet on the smarts side of things, just because you learn that stuff the more you play. The longer you play you learn tricks on how to handle defencemen, how to do some things around the net; I think that everything is new to Pierre and the pace is probably the biggest thing. He has the potential to be that type of player and if anything, he might be a more powerful skater than Lee is, so it’s a good comparison, but it’s real premature to throw that label on him.”
Making the leap to Manitoba has been a big step for Labrie, but it’s certainly one he’s making the most of. It’s very doubtful he’ll get called up from Vancouver this season, but if Labrie continues to develop at the pace he has for the last few years, the Canucks may have a Bertuzzi-esk type player back in their line-up before long.
Making the jump from major junior hockey to the professional ranks can be a somewhat intimidating move for young players. Simply joining a new team in a new league can be difficult, but add in the dilemma of trying to learn a new language at the same time, and you’ve got a recipe for disaster.
At least in theory you do.
Manitoba Moose forward Pierre-Cedric Labrie is proving it can be done as he’s been one of the team’s biggest surprises this season, and he’s doing it as an AHL rookie who has never really spoken English before.
“It’s been coming along good,” said Moose head coach Scott Arniel, in reference to Labrie’s new linguistic skills. “You have to be careful how quick you speak to him, but he’s coming along and I’ve noticed a big difference from training camp until now, he’s caught on to a lot of things. But he is learning on the fly as we go here.”
His quick grasp of a second language has been impressive, but it doesn’t compare to the 20-year-old’s on-ice progress. In his first 10 games played with the Moose, Labrie collected four goals and four assists, alongside 23 penalty minutes, tying him for fourth in team scoring. Even more notable than his great start is how comfortable the left winger is on the power play, having scored two of his goals with the man advantage.
“I’m happy but I’m not surprised at how I’ve played so far,” said Labrie. “I am trying to work as hard as I can and I am learning a lot so far.”
Like many other young Moose, Labrie has veteran Mike Keane to thank for his early development. The three-time Stanley Cup champion has been instrumental in helping Labrie get accustomed to his new team.
“I am learning a lot from Mike Keane, I play with him a lot. I do what he says and I give a good effort. And I think it’s just that during practice I am trying to learn more things and it helps me during games.”
As of Nov. 9, Labrie sat tied for eleventh in AHL rookie scoring, something that not even Arniel, who was impressed with Labrie during training camp, could have predicted. The Moose coach believes that the 6’2”, 212-pound forward is just starting to realize his potential.
“I think a big thing with PC is that he’s such a strong guy,” said Arniel. “If you watch him in practice you can see what a strong skater he is. He’s a real powerful guy, he gets to the net, he gets to the corners and battles and comes out of corners with pucks and he has a nose for the net.
“The big thing that we’re really starting to see with him is that he’s got good hands. He can make plays, he just made some real nice passes for some goals on the road, he also knows to get to the net and find rebounds and he’s good at deflecting pucks. He’s a big physical guy and he has an edge to him and he knows that if there’s some tough stuff that has to be looked after, that he’s one of those guys. He’s a scrappy kid that’s really been a good surprise.”
A native of Baie-Comeau, Quebec, Labrie started playing hockey at the age of five, falling in love with the game instantly. As an only child he didn’t have any siblings to battle, so the youngster saved his aggression for when his skates were laced up and it enabled him to become a physical scoring threat.
At 17-years-old Labrie began playing in the Quebec Junior AAA Hockey League for the Coaticook Frontaliers. He spent two seasons in the QJAHL from 2003-2005, accumulating 32 points and 155 penalty minutes in 61 games, but it wasn’t until the following year that Labrie would truly make an impact.
As a member of the Restigouche Tigers in the Maritime Junior A Hockey League, Labrie exploded for 86 points and 153 penalty minutes in 53 games, by far the highest output of his career. His breakout season led to interest from the Quebec Major Junior Hockey League team in his hometown, the Baie-Comeau Drakkar, and Labrie was dealt to them at the start of the 2005-06 playoffs.
He scored twice and added two helpers in four playoff games with Baie-Comeau, before averaging just under a point a game (63 points in 68 games) for Drakkar last season. Another impressive campaign led to Labrie’s first professional contract as he signed with the Canucks in July 2007.
A great showing at Vancouver’s rookie camp, which Labrie describes as “the best experience of his life,” helped the gentle giant get to where he is today, but he knows there’s still plenty of work to be done.
“My speed needs to be better,” said Labrie. “My acceleration on the start, I need to practice that. I don’t need to create turnovers at the blueline, I need to practice that too. And I think when I am around the goal, I have to protect the puck with my body. And I need to keep playing physical in the corners.”
Those familiar with PC’s style of play have thrown out comparisons to that of a young Todd Bertuzzi, but that simply isn’t the case right now. Labrie has proven in years past that he can be a detrimental forward but even comparing him to former Moose right winger Lee Goren is premature, according to Arniel.
“Not yet. I think that Lee is such a veteran savvy kind of guy and Pierre hasn’t gotten there yet on the smarts side of things, just because you learn that stuff the more you play. The longer you play you learn tricks on how to handle defencemen, how to do some things around the net; I think that everything is new to Pierre and the pace is probably the biggest thing. He has the potential to be that type of player and if anything, he might be a more powerful skater than Lee is, so it’s a good comparison, but it’s real premature to throw that label on him.”
Making the leap to Manitoba has been a big step for Labrie, but it’s certainly one he’s making the most of. It’s very doubtful he’ll get called up from Vancouver this season, but if Labrie continues to develop at the pace he has for the last few years, the Canucks may have a Bertuzzi-esk type player back in their line-up before long.
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Posted 12 November 2007 - 06:39 PM
CCF4E, on Nov 11 2007, 03:05 PM, said:
Sounds like Kesler
He said that Matson has hands.
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Posted 13 November 2007 - 02:41 PM
Heres a good article on the Moose,
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FASTEST SKATER
* Players' pick: Mike Brown (4 votes)
* Runner-up -- Mason Raymond (2 votes)
* Free Press Pick: Michael Grabner
* Coach's pick and quote: Michael Grabner
"He's explosive. It doesn't take him very long and he's at top speed."
HARDEST SHOT
* Players' pick: Danny Groulx (3 votes)
* Runner-up -- Jozef Balej (2 votes)
* FP Pick: Jozef Balej
* Coach's pick and quote: Danny Groulx
"He gets it off and he can also do it with his snapshot. He's got a good, heavy slapper but he can also fire a snapshot real hard."
MOST ACCURATE SHOT
* Players' pick: Brad Moran
* Runner-up -- Jason Jaffray, Jozef Balej
* FP Pick: Jozef Balej
* Coach's pick and quote: Jozef Balej
"He can hit the net in traffic."
BEST IN THE SHOOTOUT
* Players' pick: Colby Genoway (eight votes)
* Runner-up -- Juraj Simek
* FP Pick: Colby Genoway
* Coach's pick and quote: Colby Genoway
"He's got one move that he's mastered. But he might have to have Plan B once he gets through the league a couple of times."
BEST STICKHANDLER
* Players' pick: Juraj Simek (5 votes)
* Runner-up: Mason Raymond
* FP Pick: Brad Moran
* Coach's pick and quote: Ryan Shannon
"Does it at a high rate. He can stickhandle while moving very fast."
BEST TRASH TALKER
* Players' pick: Mike Keane (4 votes)
* Runner-up -- Mike Brown
* FP Pick: Mike Keane
* Coach's pick and quote: Mike Keane
"He's actually good at it. He usually wins those battles."
BEST HITTER
* Players' pick: Mike Brown (5 votes)
* Runner-up -- Mike Keane, Danny Groulx
* FP Pick: Mike Brown
* Coach's pick and quote: Mike Brown
"Without a doubt. Once he has a guy lined up, they never get out of the way. Once he gets his radar locked on a guy, he never gets away."
* Players' pick: Mike Brown (4 votes)
* Runner-up -- Mason Raymond (2 votes)
* Free Press Pick: Michael Grabner
* Coach's pick and quote: Michael Grabner
"He's explosive. It doesn't take him very long and he's at top speed."
HARDEST SHOT
* Players' pick: Danny Groulx (3 votes)
* Runner-up -- Jozef Balej (2 votes)
* FP Pick: Jozef Balej
* Coach's pick and quote: Danny Groulx
"He gets it off and he can also do it with his snapshot. He's got a good, heavy slapper but he can also fire a snapshot real hard."
MOST ACCURATE SHOT
* Players' pick: Brad Moran
* Runner-up -- Jason Jaffray, Jozef Balej
* FP Pick: Jozef Balej
* Coach's pick and quote: Jozef Balej
"He can hit the net in traffic."
BEST IN THE SHOOTOUT
* Players' pick: Colby Genoway (eight votes)
* Runner-up -- Juraj Simek
* FP Pick: Colby Genoway
* Coach's pick and quote: Colby Genoway
"He's got one move that he's mastered. But he might have to have Plan B once he gets through the league a couple of times."
BEST STICKHANDLER
* Players' pick: Juraj Simek (5 votes)
* Runner-up: Mason Raymond
* FP Pick: Brad Moran
* Coach's pick and quote: Ryan Shannon
"Does it at a high rate. He can stickhandle while moving very fast."
BEST TRASH TALKER
* Players' pick: Mike Keane (4 votes)
* Runner-up -- Mike Brown
* FP Pick: Mike Keane
* Coach's pick and quote: Mike Keane
"He's actually good at it. He usually wins those battles."
BEST HITTER
* Players' pick: Mike Brown (5 votes)
* Runner-up -- Mike Keane, Danny Groulx
* FP Pick: Mike Brown
* Coach's pick and quote: Mike Brown
"Without a doubt. Once he has a guy lined up, they never get out of the way. Once he gets his radar locked on a guy, he never gets away."
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Posted 13 November 2007 - 05:56 PM
I miss Mike Keane ....
Just thought I should mention that.
Just thought I should mention that.
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Posted 13 November 2007 - 07:23 PM
Just 'cause Perron is lighting it up in St. Louis doesn't mean he would've done squat here. It's all about the situation... and let's face it, our 'playmakers' wouldn't exactly have helped him score those goals.
*edit* but in retrospect... 7 points in 8 games for a rookie makes me pretty jealous...
*edit* but in retrospect... 7 points in 8 games for a rookie makes me pretty jealous...
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Posted 13 November 2007 - 07:26 PM
sirwilliam, on Nov 13 2007, 06:23 PM, said:
Just 'cause Perron is lighting it up in St. Louis doesn't mean he would've done squat here. It's all about the situation... and let's face it, our 'playmakers' wouldn't exactly have helped him score those goals.
Exactly.
Perron would not have made this team.
His lack of defensive awareness would have gotten him sent back to the QMJHL quickly.
St.Louis is a young rebuilding team utilizing its young talent on its NHL roster.
We had really no room to throw a young kid into the lineup if he were going to be a defensive nightmare.
St.Louis had roster room for his kind of player.
St.Louis could also afford to actually pick Perron when they did because they had already made two 1st round picks (Eller, Ian Cole) and could afford to make a boom or bust pick with David Perron.
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Posted 13 November 2007 - 07:47 PM
timw33, on Nov 13 2007, 06:26 PM, said:
Exactly.
Perron would not have made this team.
His lack of defensive awareness would have gotten him sent back to the QMJHL quickly.
St.Louis is a young rebuilding team utilizing its young talent on its NHL roster.
We had really no room to throw a young kid into the lineup if he were going to be a defensive nightmare.
St.Louis had roster room for his kind of player.
St.Louis could also afford to actually pick Perron when they did because they had already made two 1st round picks (Eller, Ian Cole) and could afford to make a boom or bust pick with David Perron.
Perron would not have made this team.
His lack of defensive awareness would have gotten him sent back to the QMJHL quickly.
St.Louis is a young rebuilding team utilizing its young talent on its NHL roster.
We had really no room to throw a young kid into the lineup if he were going to be a defensive nightmare.
St.Louis had roster room for his kind of player.
St.Louis could also afford to actually pick Perron when they did because they had already made two 1st round picks (Eller, Ian Cole) and could afford to make a boom or bust pick with David Perron.
You had to bring up Eller didn't you Tim.
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Posted 13 November 2007 - 07:59 PM
itzabreeze, on Nov 13 2007, 06:47 PM, said:
You had to bring up Eller didn't you Tim.
I wish Eller would've somehow dropped into the 33rd slot, damn you Eller and having a good year in the SEL.
He had some wrist surgery a month or two ago, hopefully he can get healthy and we'll see him in the NHL.
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Posted 13 November 2007 - 08:10 PM
Total flaw in your logic.
What facts do you have to enforce your statement? All you are doing is speculating on his play and if you do research his stats, he is a +1 and helping his team offensively which is an asset the Canucks desire.
He would have the same opportunity as Mason Raymond and Jannik Hansen to make the team so let me repeat, what facts do you have to back-up this baseless claim.
Lets look at the outline of the Vancouver Canucks, a team with an excessive amount of defensive-players and in desire of scoring forwards. I am confident Canucks have room "for his kind of player"
He was not a boom or bust pick, if you look at the St.Louis Blues draft video on NHLTV when they analyzed all the players David Perron was brought to attention by one scout who was heavily watching him. They did not expect Perron to slip to 26th and when he was available the head scout of the St.Louis Blues, Jarmo, quoted "Pick Perron, he is too skilled to pass him up at 26th"
Also with Canucks picking 25th it would be a smart choice to select a player with the highest offensive upside, now I am not degrading Patrick White but currently David Perron is ahead of him on the depth chart.
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His lack of defensive awareness would have gotten him sent back to the QMJHL quickly.
What facts do you have to enforce your statement? All you are doing is speculating on his play and if you do research his stats, he is a +1 and helping his team offensively which is an asset the Canucks desire.
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We had really no room to throw a young kid into the lineup if he were going to be a defensive nightmare.
He would have the same opportunity as Mason Raymond and Jannik Hansen to make the team so let me repeat, what facts do you have to back-up this baseless claim.
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St.Louis had roster room for his kind of player.
Lets look at the outline of the Vancouver Canucks, a team with an excessive amount of defensive-players and in desire of scoring forwards. I am confident Canucks have room "for his kind of player"
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St.Louis could also afford to actually pick Perron when they did because they had already made two 1st round picks (Eller, Ian Cole) and could afford to make a boom or bust pick with David Perron.
He was not a boom or bust pick, if you look at the St.Louis Blues draft video on NHLTV when they analyzed all the players David Perron was brought to attention by one scout who was heavily watching him. They did not expect Perron to slip to 26th and when he was available the head scout of the St.Louis Blues, Jarmo, quoted "Pick Perron, he is too skilled to pass him up at 26th"
Also with Canucks picking 25th it would be a smart choice to select a player with the highest offensive upside, now I am not degrading Patrick White but currently David Perron is ahead of him on the depth chart.
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Posted 13 November 2007 - 08:19 PM
Well from what I read on Perron before the draft, it was apparent that his defensive game was not up to snuff.
Also needed to give a more consistent effort, more consistent work ethic and a better attitude....yada yada...
Also needed to give a more consistent effort, more consistent work ethic and a better attitude....yada yada...
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Posted 13 November 2007 - 08:26 PM
timw33, on Nov 13 2007, 07:19 PM, said:
Well from what I read on Perron before the draft, it was apparent that his defensive game was not up to snuff.
Also needed to give a more consistent effort, more consistent work ethic and a better attitude....yada yada...
Also needed to give a more consistent effort, more consistent work ethic and a better attitude....yada yada...
Oh I see, maybe we should start judging every player from their pre-draft reports instead of their actual play in the NHL.
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Posted 13 November 2007 - 08:27 PM
I seem to remember watching some show on NHL Network profiling the Blues on draft day and when deliberating about the 26th pick they actually said "take a risk with Perron"
Can anyone confirm this? I don't remember it very well.
I can't seem to find that draft video on NHLTV you're talking about Untouchable.. care to elaborate exactly where it is?
Can anyone confirm this? I don't remember it very well.
I can't seem to find that draft video on NHLTV you're talking about Untouchable.. care to elaborate exactly where it is?
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Posted 13 November 2007 - 08:28 PM
hlrsr, on Nov 13 2007, 07:27 PM, said:
I seem to remember watching some show on NHL Network profiling the Blues on draft day and when deliberating about the 26th pick they actually said "take a risk with Perron"
Can anyone confirm this? I don't remember it very well.
I can't seem to find that draft video on NHLTV you're talking about Untouchable.. care to elaborate exactly where it is?
Can anyone confirm this? I don't remember it very well.
I can't seem to find that draft video on NHLTV you're talking about Untouchable.. care to elaborate exactly where it is?
http://blues.nhl.com...ia/blues_tv.htm
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