[timw33]

Oh dear lord.

David Perron has 2 goals tonight.

Brace for the shoulda woulda coulda garbage.

[sirwilliam]

Just 'cause Perron is lighting it up in St. Louis doesn't mean he would've done squat here. It's all about the situation... and let's face it, our 'playmakers' wouldn't exactly have helped him score those goals.

*edit* but in retrospect... 7 points in 8 games for a rookie makes me pretty jealous...

This post has been edited by sirwilliam: 13 November 2007 - 07:24 PM

[timw33]

sirwilliam, on Nov 13 2007, 06:23 PM, said:

Just 'cause Perron is lighting it up in St. Louis doesn't mean he would've done squat here. It's all about the situation... and let's face it, our 'playmakers' wouldn't exactly have helped him score those goals.

Exactly.

Perron would not have made this team.

His lack of defensive awareness would have gotten him sent back to the QMJHL quickly.

St.Louis is a young rebuilding team utilizing its young talent on its NHL roster.

We had really no room to throw a young kid into the lineup if he were going to be a defensive nightmare.

St.Louis had roster room for his kind of player.

St.Louis could also afford to actually pick Perron when they did because they had already made two 1st round picks (Eller, Ian Cole) and could afford to make a boom or bust pick with David Perron.

[itzabreeze]

timw33, on Nov 13 2007, 06:26 PM, said:

Exactly.

Perron would not have made this team.

His lack of defensive awareness would have gotten him sent back to the QMJHL quickly.

St.Louis is a young rebuilding team utilizing its young talent on its NHL roster.

We had really no room to throw a young kid into the lineup if he were going to be a defensive nightmare.

St.Louis had roster room for his kind of player.

St.Louis could also afford to actually pick Perron when they did because they had already made two 1st round picks (Eller, Ian Cole) and could afford to make a boom or bust pick with David Perron.

You had to bring up Eller didn't you Tim.

[timw33]

itzabreeze, on Nov 13 2007, 06:47 PM, said:

You had to bring up Eller didn't you Tim.

I wish Eller would've somehow dropped into the 33rd slot, damn you Eller and having a good year in the SEL.

He had some wrist surgery a month or two ago, hopefully he can get healthy and we'll see him in the NHL.

[Untouchable]

Total flaw in your logic.

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His lack of defensive awareness would have gotten him sent back to the QMJHL quickly.

What facts do you have to enforce your statement? All you are doing is speculating on his play and if you do research his stats, he is a +1 and helping his team offensively which is an asset the Canucks desire.

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We had really no room to throw a young kid into the lineup if he were going to be a defensive nightmare.

He would have the same opportunity as Mason Raymond and Jannik Hansen to make the team so let me repeat, what facts do you have to back-up this baseless claim.

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St.Louis had roster room for his kind of player.

Lets look at the outline of the Vancouver Canucks, a team with an excessive amount of defensive-players and in desire of scoring forwards. I am confident Canucks have room "for his kind of player"

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St.Louis could also afford to actually pick Perron when they did because they had already made two 1st round picks (Eller, Ian Cole) and could afford to make a boom or bust pick with David Perron.

He was not a boom or bust pick, if you look at the St.Louis Blues draft video on NHLTV when they analyzed all the players David Perron was brought to attention by one scout who was heavily watching him. They did not expect Perron to slip to 26th and when he was available the head scout of the St.Louis Blues, Jarmo, quoted "Pick Perron, he is too skilled to pass him up at 26th"

Also with Canucks picking 25th it would be a smart choice to select a player with the highest offensive upside, now I am not degrading Patrick White but currently David Perron is ahead of him on the depth chart.

This post has been edited by Untouchable: 13 November 2007 - 08:12 PM

[timw33]

Well from what I read on Perron before the draft, it was apparent that his defensive game was not up to snuff.

Also needed to give a more consistent effort, more consistent work ethic and a better attitude....yada yada...

[Untouchable]

timw33, on Nov 13 2007, 07:19 PM, said:

Well from what I read on Perron before the draft, it was apparent that his defensive game was not up to snuff.

Also needed to give a more consistent effort, more consistent work ethic and a better attitude....yada yada...

Oh I see, maybe we should start judging every player from their pre-draft reports instead of their actual play in the NHL.

[hlrsr]

I seem to remember watching some show on NHL Network profiling the Blues on draft day and when deliberating about the 26th pick they actually said "take a risk with Perron"

Can anyone confirm this? I don't remember it very well.

I can't seem to find that draft video on NHLTV you're talking about Untouchable.. care to elaborate exactly where it is?

[timw33]

hlrsr, on Nov 13 2007, 07:27 PM, said:

I seem to remember watching some show on NHL Network profiling the Blues on draft day and when deliberating about the 26th pick they actually said "take a risk with Perron"

Can anyone confirm this? I don't remember it very well.

I can't seem to find that draft video on NHLTV you're talking about Untouchable.. care to elaborate exactly where it is?

http://blues.nhl.com...ia/blues_tv.htm


Launch Blues TV.

FSN Specials

Draft Day Special.

[L Bourdon]

Untouchable, on Nov 13 2007, 01:41 PM, said:

Heres a good article on the Moose,

Damn Grabner more explosive than Raymond?

Balej injured . he could have been a good call up.

[Toxic]

Grabner has a faster first step, Raymond has a faster top speed

[hlrsr]

timw33, on Nov 13 2007, 07:28 PM, said:

http://blues.nhl.com...ia/blues_tv.htm


Launch Blues TV.

FSN Specials

Draft Day Special.

Ah yes, that's the one.

The full quote is, "I think we gotta take a chance with Perron at 26 if he's there, he's so skilled."

Earlier in the show the scouts are kind of arguing about a player, based on the two scouts arguing, I'm pretty sure they're talking about Perron (the same two were arguing about him earlier) JD goes to say, "his pros are like this [motions a large list] and his cons are like this [motions a small list] but the cons are very important." Then someone says, "yeah, because it's heart and character."

So.. yeah, the Blues knew about his skill but they were not dismissing his lack of heart and character. They players they wanted for sure were determined before the draft and they got them. Perron was not one of those players, they decided on him on the draft floor after they had already got who they really wanted.

[Toxic]

The Blues had an amazing draft, they got EVERY player they targeted, Ian Cole was the main guy, he was above Perron

[thecupismine]

hlrsr, on Nov 13 2007, 08:30 PM, said:

Ah yes, that's the one.

The full quote is, "I think we gotta take a chance with Perron at 26 if he's there, he's so skilled."

Earlier in the show the scouts are kind of arguing about a player, based on the two scouts arguing, I'm pretty sure they're talking about Perron (the same two were arguing about him earlier) JD goes to say, "his pros are like this [motions a large list] and his cons are like this [motions a small list] but the cons are very important." Then someone says, "yeah, because it's heart and character."

So.. yeah, the Blues knew about his skill but they were not dismissing his lack of heart and character. They players they wanted for sure were determined before the draft and they got them. Perron was not one of those players, they decided on him on the draft floor after they had already got who they really wanted.

Well the determination of Perron can't be questioned (or so says Brent Sutter). He supposedly covered up for his lack of skating and other lacking talents over the summer due to a LOT of hard work. The heart? Well, that only Perron knows if he has or not. I still would've liked him on draft day (he was my knee jerk reaction regarding who I thought the Canucks would draft, same with Moller at 33), but I understand why the Canucks chose White with their pick with regards to organizational needs and wanting to take less of a risk with their pick (the year before they took quite a big gamble with Grabner).

[Gnickers87]

Patrick White is a Center, David Perron is not, end of story.

[timw33]

hlrsr, on Nov 13 2007, 08:30 PM, said:

Ah yes, that's the one.

The full quote is, "I think we gotta take a chance with Perron at 26 if he's there, he's so skilled."

Earlier in the show the scouts are kind of arguing about a player, based on the two scouts arguing, I'm pretty sure they're talking about Perron (the same two were arguing about him earlier) JD goes to say, "his pros are like this [motions a large list] and his cons are like this [motions a small list] but the cons are very important." Then someone says, "yeah, because it's heart and character."

So.. yeah, the Blues knew about his skill but they were not dismissing his lack of heart and character. They players they wanted for sure were determined before the draft and they got them. Perron was not one of those players, they decided on him on the draft floor after they had already got who they really wanted.

Thanks for digging that up.

I would've refered to that video if I had remembered what exactly they said about him.

As much as I want a player with questionable attitude....I really don't.

Does anyone actually think that Perron would be in our lineup right now, cause I really doubt it.

[jayRmichigan]

Gnickers87, on Nov 13 2007, 11:01 PM, said:

Patrick White is a Center, David Perron is not, end of story.

Yeah, but I seem to remember Nonis commenting on how they look for a bunch of other stuff before they think about the player's position. I mean obviousely they're looking at the positions, but it was something about how even if they were stacked for defense, they would still choose a defenseman if they thought he was the best player available.

[timw33]

jayRmichigan, on Nov 14 2007, 06:45 PM, said:

Yeah, but I seem to remember Nonis commenting on how they look for a bunch of other stuff before they think about the player's position. I mean obviousely they're looking at the positions, but it was something about how even if they were stacked for defense, they would still choose a defenseman if they thought he was the best player available.

Character.

Heart.

Passion.

Conditioning.

Skating Ability.

Those all come into the equation, Perron's flaws pre-draft regarded the first 3 of those.

But you can never please Canuck fans.

Fans wanted tougher north American players with size, heart, passion.

And they wanted a Centre in the first round, so we got one, one who one scout believes is the 2nd best sniper in that draft class.

And they wanted local boys, so we got one (Ellington), who is a Canuck Fan 4 Lyphe already, but no, never happy with our picks.

[Lost Canuck]

To imitate Timw33:
Marc Staal scored a goal, cue the 'ShOuLD'Ve DrafTeD StAAl' threads.