[Boudrias]

All Highlight Reel, on Apr 17 2008, 09:02 PM, said:

I know that above post of mine was an O Rly ? That we've been discussing worriedly for the past million posts but I can't help reiterating it as it will be on the back of my mind till we get a new GM and that in conjunction with the draft and off-season. Jeff Carter seems like he would take more to get if he is what a new GM would genuinely pursue. I hope we can avoid giving up the #10 draft pick in any scenario of pursuit that presents itself.

I was surprised to read that some thought we could get Carter for Edler. I don't think we could get him for Edler, Bieska + our #1 pic. The way he is playing he is becoming more unattainable at a cost that the Canucks could afford. Nonis put a very positive twist on his team assessment the other day. While I would agree that it was better than 3 years ago it is nowhere near being competitive in the next two seasons. If he was canned for not pulling the trigger with TB for Richards, then I dispair at the future of the franchise. That deal would have stripped the club and left Richards playing with himself!

Building through the draft is the only option Van has until it has enough talent to deal with. I do not think they have reached that point yet. Realistically you could not assume that the club has a clear assessment of Edler, Bourdon, Raymond, Jaffrey, Scnieder(?) or even Bieska. The laughable reality is that if Canuck management had been realistic they would have blown the team up at the end of '03 and started rebuilding then. Three years of cellar dwelling would have restocked the team with serious talent.

[falcon]

Boudrias, on Apr 18 2008, 07:13 AM, said:

I was surprised to read that some thought we could get Carter for Edler. I don't think we could get him for Edler, Bieska + our #1 pic. The way he is playing he is becoming more unattainable at a cost that the Canucks could afford. Nonis put a very positive twist on his team assessment the other day. While I would agree that it was better than 3 years ago it is nowhere near being competitive in the next two seasons. If he was canned for not pulling the trigger with TB for Richards, then I dispair at the future of the franchise. That deal would have stripped the club and left Richards playing with himself!

I don't think it would go as far as Edler Bieksa + a top 10 pick, maybe a combination of any two and some throw-ins.

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Building through the draft is the only option Van has until it has enough talent to deal with. I do not think they have reached that point yet. Realistically you could not assume that the club has a clear assessment of Edler, Bourdon, Raymond, Jaffrey, Scnieder(?) or even Bieska. The laughable reality is that if Canuck management had been realistic they would have blown the team up at the end of '03 and started rebuilding then. Three years of cellar dwelling would have restocked the team with serious talent.

Well given the attention span of Canucks fans, GM place would be empty after a couple of years of bottom dwelling. Either that or we fire another 5 GM's in the process because "no playoffs is unacceptable", and all of them labeled "fired because he had no balls" because they wouldnt' blow the 1st round away for Satan at the deadline.

[Sanford]

Cody Hodgson just helped team Canada beat finland, He scored the winning goal, it was a 2-1 game.

[Carpe Diem]

timw33, on Apr 17 2008, 07:08 PM, said:

Well that was the 26th pick in a draft where after the first 7, and players from the 10-60 could go at ANY position, it was just the kind of draft that it was.

In this draft, it is much deeper after 7 and there will be guys that are clearly a level above the guys in the 14+ spots.


What I should say is that we will have the option of Boedker, Wilson or Hodgson, and if they are all taken, that means one of the Filatov, Bogosian, Schenn, Pietrangelo, or Doughty have fallen right into our laps somehow.

With Beach free-falling, there is a chance that all 8 of those players (+ Stamkos) would have been picked.

[Psycho_Path]

I'd be very surprised at this point if Hodgson was available to us at 10 considering how well he's played at the world U-18 juniors.

That being said I'd like to see us go for Knuble. If we could go for Carter at the same time, all the better, but going after Knuble would def be a good idea by the new GM. I'd go as far as our 10th, Bieksa, Edler, and Schneider for Knuble and Carter.

[Canadian]

Psycho_Path, on Apr 20 2008, 06:13 PM, said:

I'd be very surprised at this point if Hodgson was available to us at 10 considering how well he's played at the world U-18 juniors.

That being said I'd like to see us go for Knuble. If we could go for Carter at the same time, all the better, but going after Knuble would def be a good idea by the new GM. I'd go as far as our 10th, Bieksa, Edler, and Schneider for Knuble and Carter.

Holy overpayment batman!

[Boudrias]

falcon, on Apr 19 2008, 12:26 AM, said:

I don't think it would go as far as Edler Bieksa + a top 10 pick, maybe a combination of any two and some throw-ins.
Well given the attention span of Canucks fans, GM place would be empty after a couple of years of bottom dwelling. Either that or we fire another 5 GM's in the process because "no playoffs is unacceptable", and all of them labeled "fired because he had no balls" because they wouldnt' blow the 1st round away for Satan at the deadline.

Sad but true. TO fills the stands every year and seem to do well with mediocrity. It could become the in thing!

[timw33]

I wish Jarmo Kekalinen was our Director of Scouting

[Toxic]

I watched that special again

That has to be one of the most successful drafts for any team in recent memory, they got every player they targeted, plus a diamond in the rough (Palushaj) all the while GETTING more picks than they entered with

I stand in awe both of Jarmo, and the deals Larry Pleau made

[timw33]

Toxic, on Apr 22 2008, 04:59 PM, said:

I watched that special again

That has to be one of the most successful drafts for any team in recent memory, they got every player they targeted, plus a diamond in the rough (Palushaj) all the while GETTING more picks than they entered with

I stand in awe both of Jarmo, and the deals Larry Pleau made

And Jarmo just speaks with such confidence and just sounds like a guy who gets it.

Too bad, Markus Naslund agent just became our GM.

Rookie GM who will want to make a splash, bye bye prospects.

Bye bye top 10 pick.

[Gnickers87]

timw33, on Apr 22 2008, 05:55 PM, said:

And Jarmo just speaks with such confidence and just sounds like a guy who gets it.

Too bad, Markus Naslund agent just became our GM.

Rookie GM who will want to make a splash, bye bye prospects.

Bye bye top 10 pick.

Maybe we should start a "Who do we trade our 1st Round Pick For" thread

This post has been edited by Gnickers87: 22 April 2008 - 06:09 PM

[jayRmichigan]

You have to give Gillis some credit. He's a smart guy, who's been around the sport for years. Obviously I don't know his style of management, so I can't exactly say he's not going to make a big splash, but I seriously doubt he'll do anything stupid.

[timw33]

jayRmichigan, on Apr 22 2008, 07:13 PM, said:

You have to give Gillis some credit. He's a smart guy, who's been around the sport for years. Obviously I don't know his style of management, so I can't exactly say he's not going to make a big splash, but I seriously doubt he'll do anything stupid.

Yeah, I know, just a little reactionary.

Especially since Aquilini is hypocrite.

"Extensive experience is neccesary"

So he gets the guy with no GM'ing experience.

But I hope this means that we will never overpay severely for UFA's and the scouting staff gets overhauled after the draft, get rid of the alumni guys who seldom successful picks (Keep Gradin, Payne, Euro Scouts, FIRE THE SLOVENIA SCOUT!!!)

[Hinkil]

did he qualify that as gm'ing experience? cos he has experience with FAs and all that jazz...

[timw33]

Being a GM is more than just signing Free Agents.

I just hope Gilles can be successful in all aspects of his job and does not gut the organization.



BTW, MG says they will be having "different" draft ideas moving forward.


Is looking at draft records and the results, will evaluate them, scouting is a concern, not enough high end players.

Pretty much means Delorme/Snepts/Smyl will be canned.

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“Coming from where I’ve come from, I’m hoping to bring a different perspective in terms of player relations, I’m hoping to bring different ideas to the draft table and player development

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[All Highlight Reel]

I trust there will be no 'in between' with MG, he'll either be amazing or we'll be driven into a drunken comatose state for the next few years trying to recover.
I'll cautiously learn towards amazing for now... but if I have to bite my words - I doubt I'll even be in the state to be on this sub-forum anyway.

[nucks&bombers]

timw33, on Apr 23 2008, 08:28 AM, said:

Being a GM is more than just signing Free Agents.

I just hope Gilles can be successful in all aspects of his job and does not gut the organization.



BTW, MG says they will be having "different" draft ideas moving forward.


Is looking at draft records and the results, will evaluate them, scouting is a concern, not enough high end players.

Pretty much means Delorme/Snepts/Smyl will be canned.

If he fires Gradin I will kill something.

[Psycho_Path]

He doesn't seem unintelligent enough to do something as dumb as fire Gradin. He's gotten us most of our better prospects (especially in the later rounds) lately.

[timw33]

nucks&bombers, on Apr 25 2008, 11:39 AM, said:

If he fires Gradin I will kill something.

Gradin has bought himself about 2 more seasons with the Edler pick alone.

Rahimi was a pretty good one too, especially since there weren't too many players we passed on that would've been way better.




On another note, I have been reading "Future Greats and Heart Breaks" by Gare Joyce, a book where he spends a year as a scout and gets to sit in on Columbus' scouting meetings, prospect interviews, and does a whole year scouting players.

Very very interesting, shows how the scouting process works and how they make the master list.

A lot more goes into drafting than taking the player with the best stats.



And CSS, ISS, CSB, Redline and Mckeen's rankings mean NOTHING.

Zip. Zero. Nadda.

They could care less what these services say.

[nucks&bombers]

timw33, on Apr 25 2008, 08:53 PM, said:

Gradin has bought himself about 2 more seasons with the Edler pick alone.

Rahimi was a pretty good one too, especially since there weren't too many players we passed on that would've been way better.




On another note, I have been reading "Future Greats and Heart Breaks" by Gare Joyce, a book where he spends a year as a scout and gets to sit in on Columbus' scouting meetings, prospect interviews, and does a whole year scouting players.

Very very interesting, shows how the scouting process works and how they make the master list.

A lot more goes into drafting than taking the player with the best stats.



And CSS, ISS, CSB, Redline and Mckeen's rankings mean NOTHING.Zip. Zero. Nadda.

They could care less what these services say.

try convincing the CDC zombie level inteligence masses of that.