[Auximenes]

how much more time???

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batista 666, on Aug 8 2007, 04:51 PM, said:

I just hate the idea of having a lumberjack as a logo, its embarrassing
I can see how fans of other teams would make fun of us because of our logo
Anything but the lumberjack

I think the Lumber Jack looks pretty good. Any jersey they pick, it will always be better than the Islanders Fisherman Jersey.

[one team one goal]

brother13, on Aug 9 2007, 05:41 AM, said:

Which leaked one are you referring to?

The one one page 40

[nightlite]

Tyger, on Aug 9 2007, 09:49 AM, said:

Canuck was a slang term for French Canadian lumberjack working in British Columbia in the old Klondike days. Lumberjacks are the ONLY thing that actually represents our teams name!

Ok, I've listened to this johnny canuck talk way too long. I've even done a little reading on johnny, just to give the idea a chance. But all these johnny logo's are just not doing it for me, and the boldened statement above is just plain stupid (no offense). The term canuck primarily referred to French Canadians (some of which were loggers) yes, but around the world it has become known as a slang term for "canadian". When taken in that context, many things could represent our team name. How about a sticky bottle of maple sirup? How about a angry beaver? How about a plate of poutine as a logo, that can be intimidating at times...

Point is (if any of the current gossip is correct) we are getting the orca in vintage colors, and it's about time to embrace that notion. Vintage colors are historic, unique and eye catching, and the orca design pays respect both to the native heritage of Vancouver, as well as paying homage to one of the most magnificent creatures in the world. Why continue squabbling over it? It's just a waste of time and space.

This post has been edited by nightlite: 09 August 2007 - 10:32 AM

[sportscrazy]

topcorner, on Aug 9 2007, 04:40 AM, said:

i still prefer this logo

Would be better with a little bit darker green.

[Catch 22]

I am not much for the lumberjack idea. Too busy and too hokey. The Pilot Johnny Canuck is a 1000x better. IMHO

[FinnHawk]

Tyger, on Aug 9 2007, 09:49 AM, said:

Canuck was a slang term for French Canadian lumberjack working in British Columbia in the old Klondike days. Lumberjacks are the ONLY thing that actually represents our teams name!

NOT IN B.C.

according to this source: http://www.straightd...ag/mcanuck.html

"The earliest recorded use of the term Canuck, sometimes spelled Kanuk, was in 1835. Similar terms such as Cannakers or Canukers were in use in the 1840s. The term was first used in lumber camps in Maine to refer to French Canadian loggers working in the Maine woods. ... The usage had spread by 1850 to mean all Canadians, sometimes used as a derogatory term. Canadians generally use it with pride or light-heartedly."

It was used to refer to French Canadian loggers in the Northeastern US, NOT in B.C. and eventually just morphed in meaning to mean all Canadians...

[FinnHawk]

sportscrazy, on Aug 9 2007, 10:50 AM, said:

Would be better with a little bit darker green.

Agreed... that shade of green looks awful.

[Catch 22]

although, the Johnny Conversation is moot anyways cuz they are sticking with the whale. I wouldn't be surprised if they stylized the whale. I dont remember Nonis saying it is exactly the same logo. Just the Whale is in the logo.

Here's hoping.

[brother13]

one team one goal, on Aug 9 2007, 10:05 AM, said:

The one one page 40

After that logo was posted, MaximAfinogenov goes on to pick it apart pretty good. If that is the new logo, it looks sloppy to me, with the green teeth not fully outlined and one ice chip with green trim on only half of it. I think it's a fake too.

[FinnHawk]

Tyger, on Aug 9 2007, 09:49 AM, said:

Canuck was a slang term for French Canadian lumberjack working in British Columbia in the old Klondike days. Lumberjacks are the ONLY thing that actually represents our teams name!

The word Yankee might originate from the dutch expression Jan Kaas, literally "John Cheese." (altho this is just a theory)

But, nevertheless, you don't see the New York Yankees with a block of cheese on their logo.

sources:
http://www.straightd...ics/a2_260.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yankee

My point is... who cares where the terms originated from... What's important is what they means NOW... and now Yankee is slang for American and Canuck is slang for Canadian. simple as that...

This post has been edited by FinnHawk: 09 August 2007 - 11:12 AM

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Catch 22, on Aug 9 2007, 11:03 AM, said:

although, the Johnny Conversation is moot anyways cuz they are sticking with the whale. I wouldn't be surprised if they stylized the whale. I dont remember Nonis saying it is exactly the same logo. Just the Whale is in the logo.

Here's hoping.

Im hopin they just keep it simple and change the colours of the orca into vintage ones. Would turn out really nice and atleast the ppl who like vintage and the ppl who like orca each get atleast a bit of what they like

[JayJax]

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"We don't hold that [the numerous jersey changes] up as a virtue or a good thing," said Zimmerman.

"The club has a history of being in a lot of places [in terms of jersey and colour designs]. The goal of the new design is to bring out the essence of the team."

http://www.canada.co...s...k=32422&p=2

[Luc.Raymond]

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<h1 class="title">Sports
</h1> <h1 class="title"> New Uniforms won't make Canucks Better
</h1> Sports By Jeff Paterson Publish Date: August 9, 2007 Graham Arnould illustration Enough already about the Vancouver Canucks' new uniforms. Seriously, people, get a life, go outside, enjoy the sunshine. It's August, it's Vancouver, and hockey season is still a month away. Then again, that's the problem: it's August, it's Vancouver, and the hockey season is only a month away.

It's ridiculous, though, how the new look the team will wear this coming season has taken on a life of its own. The Canucks have switched jerseys in the past, but the process has never generated this kind of angst. Good on the Canucks for creating a serious buzz about the launch of their new duds, but what is the fascination–obsession, for many–with what colour scheme and logo the hockey club will trot out whenever the organization gets around to officially launching its new uniforms?

The great reveal will take place sometime this month, and you can only imagine the reaction once it becomes common knowledge. It has become the most anticipated fashion show this side of Milan or Paris. Word of a recent photo shoot–and the potential for a leak (gasp!) of the first look at the new uniforms–nearly sent Canuck nation off the deep end. The "issue" (such a matter hardly seems worthy of that distinction) has been splashed on the front page of the sports section of one of the local dailies, has been the subject of repeated viewer and listener polls on TV and radio, and has run wild in cyberspace. A quick Google search for Canucks+new uniforms yields upwards of 201,000 hits, many of which include a mockup of possible home and away unis the Canucks will play in. Clearly, a lot of Canuck fans have plenty of computer savvy and even more idle time on their hands.

Another thing that has become evident is that people have a real passion for the various logos and colour schemes the Canucks have tinkered with over the years. Yet exactly why people cling to their favourites isn't exactly clear, considering the Canucks' lack of tradition and modest history of success in whatever they've worn. Still, it seems most fans want the Canucks to incorporate the blues and greens of the original jerseys–colours said to represent the ocean and forests that play such an important role in making Vancouver the city it is–into the new look. Certainly, one of the possibilities for the team's new look is to bring the old colours to the existing uniforms. That might satisfy some, but if the various polls are to be believed, the Canucks need to do more than just return to their green-and-blue roots.

Uniforms are an important part of any team's brand, but they're nothing without a logo, that singular and readily identifiable image that connects a team with its fan base. That's where the great debate among the hard-cores seems to settle.

Many appear to favour a return to that very first Canuck logo–the "stick in rink" that also doubles as a letter C. And sure, it's been fun to see the team trot out the retro jerseys on special occasions in recent years, but does the old logo really stand the test of time? Is that the best anyone can do in 2007? Is there not a creative mind out there who could put a modern spin on the original logo and, at the very least, bring it into the 21st century?

There have been suggestions to make a switch to "Johnny Canuck" as the team's primary logo. The only problem is that no one seems to know exactly who or what Johnny Canuck is or was. Some would have you believe he's a burly, bearded cartoon lumberjack (a little too similar to the Vancouver Giants logo), while others suggest he was a fighter-pilot superhero who emerged during the Second World War. Stylistic versions of both are among the many that have been floated by those favouring a complete overhaul to the Canucks' main insignia.

Then again, some (the laid-back West Coasters) seem to want the Canucks to take a different route entirely and simply put the word Vancouver diagonally across the front of the jersey. Those opposed to drastic alterations seem to favour maintaining the most recent logo–the orca C bursting through the ice–but making a subtle switch of colours from dark blue and burgundy to green and blue, blending the present with the past.

Unfortunately for most of the Canuck fans who do have an opinion on the uniforms or logo, they've failed to realize that the decisions have already been made. And still not a day goes by when this isn't an issue for many. There's no point losing sleep over this any longer, yet the discussion continues. The suggestion box is closed, and it's now just a waiting game until everyone gets a glimpse. Perhaps Canuck management took public opinion into account, but there's no guarantee. The only certainty is that the Canucks didn't enter into the process lightly, because a professional sports team's logo is not only its identity but also, if done properly, a significant moneymaker.

Without question, though, the surest way for any team to win universal acceptance for a logo and uniform change is to win hockey games while wearing the new threads. Everybody hated the Canucks' Flying V when it was introduced in the late 1970s, yet no one complained when the Canucks wore those uniforms on their run to the Stanley Cup final in 1982. You'd probably find many who'd tell you the Anaheim Ducks' jerseys were awful, or at best nothing special, but they looked awfully good when accessorized by the Stanley Cup. (It's funny how that trophy seems to go with just about anything.)

The bottom line is that for all the talk the launch of the new uniforms has generated over the past few months, it won't make much difference to the fan base here. Are the people disappointed by the final decision on the new look going to boycott the Canucks because they don't like what their team is wearing on the ice? No. The building will continue to sell out, and people here will support Roberto Luongo in pink pyjamas as long as he keeps the puck out of the net and the team is posting victories.

Hockey fans here just have to relax, and the hockey club has to unveil its new creation–let's hope it's a good one–and then stick with it for more than a few years. It would be great if the Canucks' tradition from now on involved winning as much as switching jerseys.

Jeff Paterson is a sportscaster and talk-show host on Vancouver's all-sports radio, Team 1040. E-mail him at jeff.paterson@team1040.ca

http://www.straight....-canucks-better

This post has been edited by nucks_bourdon: 09 August 2007 - 11:36 AM

[King of Anarchy]

nucks_bourdon, on Aug 9 2007, 11:35 AM, said:

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Seriously, people, get a life, go outside, enjoy the sunshine. It's August, it's Vancouver, and hockey season is still a month away. Then again, that's the problem: it's August, it's Vancouver, and the hockey season is only a month away.

Eh, I’ve never been a fan of Jeff Patterson anyway.

Btw, what sunshine? I'm looking outside right now and it's overcast.

[the_ugly_whale]

I am totally bummed out with the fact it seems as though we are sticking with this whale. I could have photoshopped the new colours in for 20 bucks and a pair of nose bleeds to a game - no need to have paid a designer any money (hopefully not this 1M rumour) to have changed the unis.

[Tyger]

nightlite, on Aug 9 2007, 10:30 AM, said:

Ok, I've listened to this johnny canuck talk way too long. I've even done a little reading on johnny, just to give the idea a chance. But all these johnny logo's are just not doing it for me, and the boldened statement above is just plain stupid (no offense). The term canuck primarily referred to French Canadians (some of which were loggers) yes, but around the world it has become known as a slang term for "canadian". When taken in that context, many things could represent our team name. How about a sticky bottle of maple sirup? How about a angry beaver? How about a plate of poutine as a logo, that can be intimidating at times...

Point is (if any of the current gossip is correct) we are getting the orca in vintage colors, and it's about time to embrace that notion. Vintage colors are historic, unique and eye catching, and the orca design pays respect both to the native heritage of Vancouver, as well as paying homage to one of the most magnificent creatures in the world. Why continue squabbling over it? It's just a waste of time and space.

Fair enough man, but all I was saying was to the other guy who said Lumberjacks don't represent the team name at all and that is simply not true. And Canuck was for the loggers, like the other poster mentioned, it may have started in maine, but it was a term for French Canadian loggers. I know that ppl now use Canuck to mean Canadian, and I'm just saying that you simply can not say that Lumberjacks aren't iconic or represent the team name.

I don't even like the Johnny Canuck logo, it's like having Snoopy on a jersey, I was just trying to show the other poster that there is validity to the lumberjack concept.

This post has been edited by Tyger: 09 August 2007 - 12:16 PM

[RypienItUp]

the_ugly_whale, on Aug 9 2007, 11:48 AM, said:

I am totally bummed out with the fact it seems as though we are sticking with this whale. I could have photoshopped the new colours in for 20 bucks and a pair of nose bleeds to a game - no need to have paid a designer any money (hopefully not this 1M rumour) to have changed the unis.

No kidding... If they spent $1 Mill to keep the Whale, I'll be praying that Aqualini loses his trial so Beedie & Gaglardi come in & can change the uniforms to something worth buying.

[Jaycee Bam]

I got a question, how much will these new jerseys be? For a replica that is. I did some research on shop.NHL.com and they showed Blue Jacket jeresys for $114.99, do you think the Canucks will be the same or will they jack the price up?

[Roozter]

cantbeatcloutch, on Aug 9 2007, 07:44 PM, said:

1) It's not a "corporate" logo in the typical sense of the term. There is, obviously, a link between the use of the Orca and Orca Bay Sports and Entertainment, but Orca Bay has it's own, separate, logo. Regardless, Orca Bay IS the Canucks. They serve no other function but to run the hockey team and GM Place. It's not like the Canucks are skating out with the Nike Swoosh as their crest, promoting a brand or product. The only brand or product they're promoting is themselves. I doubt anyone outside BC looks at the Orca logo and says "oh, they're just promoting their holding company".

2) Dunno about you, but I think there are several animals that are more unique to, and representative of, BC than a wolf. An orca whale being one of them.

3) Well, unfortunately, race has kind of come into play a little as some object to the Orca's homage to native design, feeling it doesn't represent the team or themselves properly. I personally have no problem with it, but one an certainly sympathize. Much like the 2010 Olympic logo, many feel it's representative of a small group of people and not "Canuck Nation" as a whole, and while it's probably a leans toward sensationalism, one can appreciate how it would feel when a symbol is chosen for the team you cheer for and that symbol gives you a sense of alienation instead of connection.

Look Caveman Lawyer, you can use the chebaca defense all you want, it is a corporate Logo