[sportscrazy]

cantbeatcloutch, on Aug 9 2007, 01:23 PM, said:

I was doing that more to illustrate what a weak insult "Chewbacca" is to begin with.

If he's going to be lame enough to reduce the conversation to comparing arguments to sci fi characters then he should at least aspire to spell correctly.

Wow off topic LOL

[Baggins]

FinnHawk, on Aug 9 2007, 11:00 AM, said:

NOT IN B.C.

according to this source: http://www.straightd...ag/mcanuck.html

"The earliest recorded use of the term Canuck, sometimes spelled Kanuk, was in 1835. Similar terms such as Cannakers or Canukers were in use in the 1840s. The term was first used in lumber camps in Maine to refer to French Canadian loggers working in the Maine woods. ... The usage had spread by 1850 to mean all Canadians, sometimes used as a derogatory term. Canadians generally use it with pride or light-heartedly."

It was used to refer to French Canadian loggers in the Northeastern US, NOT in B.C. and eventually just morphed in meaning to mean all Canadians...

Actually the origin is conjecture. There are several possibilities each with it's own logic. A misrponounciation of the French word Canule by American's in 1776 around the St Laurent. A term used to refer to French loggers in Maine. A combination of 'Canadian' and 'Inuk' (Inuit for man). The Hawaiian term 'Kanaka' (meaning Hawaiian person) working in the fur trade in the Pacific NW.

Link: Canucks

Who really knows? It's entirely possible it originated on both coasts from different words that happened to sound very similar. This could explain how the term came to refer to Canadians in general. But as the Vancouver Canucks are Pacific NW, I prefer to go with the NW origin.....
Many moons ago, in Canada's formative years when fur trading was all the rage, the fur trading companies searched for anybody they could hire who could wield a beaver trap. In the far west of Canada at that time, there weren't a lot of crowds. There were several Hawaiian islanders who came to the western shores of North America in search of, well, we don't know what -- but it sure as hell wasn't "nicer weather".

They worked out just fine. The Hawaiian word for "Hawaiian person" (or just a "person") is "KANAKA". Also, a "KANAKA HANA" is a worker. Still more, "KANAKA'E" is a foreigner. There's also a creek in Maple Ridge, a suburb of Vancouver, called "Kanaka Creek" though I'm not sure how that came about. Anyway, soon, the word KANAKA was used to describe these workers. Or in another version of history, all the people already living here were deemed by them to be "Kanakas", as in "foreigners".

As with all words, it soon become shortened and obliterated and KANAKA eventually became "Canuck", probably because some idiot who worked for the CBC said it wrong once (kidding).

[Xerxes]

Johnny Cochran: Ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, Chef's attorney would certainly want you to believe that his client wrote "Stinky Britches" ten years ago. And they make a good case. Hell, I almost felt pity myself! But, ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, I have one final thing I want you to consider. Ladies and gentlemen, this is Chewbacca. Chewbacca is a wookie from the planet Kashyyyk. But Chewbacca lives on the planet Endor. Now think about that; that does not make sense!
Gerald: Dammit!
Chef: What?
Gerald: He's using the Chewbacca Defense!
Johnny Cochran: Why would a wookie, an 8 foot tall wookie, want to live on Endor, with a bunch of two foot tall ewoks? That does not make sense! But more importantly, you have to ask yourself, ‘what does that have to do with this case?' Nothing. Ladies and Gentlemen, it has nothing to do with this case. It does not make sense! Look at me. I'm a lawyer defending a major record company, and I'm talkin' about Chewbacca! Does that make sense? Ladies and gentlemen, I am not making any sense! None of this makes sense! And so you have to remember, when you're in that jury room deliberatin' and conjugatin' the Emancipation Proclamation, does it make sense? No! Ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, it does not make sense! If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must acquit! The defense rests.

[cantbeatcloutch]

^^^

Point taken.

[nightlite]

Tyger, on Aug 9 2007, 12:13 PM, said:

Fair enough man, but all I was saying was to the other guy who said Lumberjacks don't represent the team name at all and that is simply not true. And Canuck was for the loggers, like the other poster mentioned, it may have started in maine, but it was a term for French Canadian loggers. I know that ppl now use Canuck to mean Canadian, and I'm just saying that you simply can not say that Lumberjacks aren't iconic or represent the team name.

I don't even like the Johnny Canuck logo, it's like having Snoopy on a jersey, I was just trying to show the other poster that there is validity to the lumberjack concept.

point taken, all good. I just thought you were saying the ONLY thing that represents our team is johnny, which I totally don't believe. In hindsight, I guess I got a little worked up and chose you as the unsuspecting target... as much as I like what Johnny stands for, I just don't think he's suitable for our logo. Like someone said earlier in this thread, the johnny logos I've seen thus far are the equivalent of those fake team logos you see on video games, great work for aspiring photoshop artists but not the best choice for a national league hockey team.
cheers

[sportscrazy]

nightlite, on Aug 9 2007, 01:45 PM, said:

point taken, all good. I just thought you were saying the ONLY thing that represents our team is johnny, which I totally don't believe. In hindsight, I guess I got a little worked up and chose you as the unsuspecting target... as much as I like what Johnny stands for, I just don't think he's suitable for our logo. Like someone said earlier in this thread, the johnny logos I've seen thus far are the equivalent of those fake team logos you see on video games, great work for aspiring photoshop artists but not the best choice for a national league hockey team.
cheers

Wow i couldnt agree with someone more. The johnny canuck logo just wouldn't register with most fans outside of Vancouver and even some in Vancouver. Most ppl just don't know wut that logo would be of.

by the way nice sig.

[Baggins]

sportscrazy, on Aug 9 2007, 01:58 PM, said:

Wow i couldnt agree with someone more. The johnny canuck logo just wouldn't register with most fans outside of Vancouver and even some in Vancouver. Most ppl just don't know wut that logo would be of.

by the way nice sig.

In the US they'd be asking why we have Paul Bunyan on our jersey.

[Glory Days]

Baggins, on Aug 9 2007, 02:02 PM, said:

In the US they'd be asking why we have Paul Bunyan on our jersey.

You know any Loggers in BC? I know 1000's of them myself. Also who cares what the US thinks they already have all us Canadians in igloos and saying aboot.

Truth of the matter is it could be any of a number of icons that represents the Province, The City, The Game etc etc.

Personally I liked the idea of them switching the name to BC Canucks because I feel they are more then just Vancouvers team.

One could argue the Orca has nothing to do with hockey or the Canucks as well. I have said it before that I feel the C is over used already and only really belongs to the Habs.

So end result you go with something creative that people and fans adapt too or something to do with Hockey or the Province or The City. Most important too the fans and the team is something that looks good and sells. After all it's a bussiness.

[sportscrazy]

Glory Days, on Aug 9 2007, 02:16 PM, said:

You know any Loggers in BC? I know 1000's of them myself. Also who cares what the US thinks they already have all us Canadians in igloos and saying aboot.

Truth of the matter is it could be any of a number of icons that represents the Province, The City, The Game etc etc.

Personally I liked the idea of them switching the name to BC Canucks because I feel they are more then just Vancouvers team.

One could argue the Orca has nothing to do with hockey or the Canucks as well. I have said it before that I feel the C is over used already and only really belongs to the Habs.

So end result you go with something creative that people and fans adapt too or something to do with Hockey or the Province or The City. Most important too the fans and the team is something that looks good and sells. After all it's a bussiness.

The problem is that after a few years with a totaly new logo fans will be like y did we switch from the orca and bring back the stick in the rink. Lets just keep the orca and be one of those teams that isn't known to have 100 different logo changes.

[Idiocracy Is CDC]

sportscrazy, on Aug 9 2007, 02:20 PM, said:

The problem is that after a few years with a totaly new logo fans will be like y did we switch from the orca and bring back the stick in the rink. Lets just keep the orca and be one of those teams that isn't known to have 100 different logo changes.

Yep, the same people begging for the vintage logo would be begging for something else later. It's better to stay the same or tweak the logo like Phoenix or LA have than to completely revamp the logo.

[NumbNucks]

I've been checking this website every so often for new info about jerseys and logos around the league.

http://nhllogos.blogspot.com

The countdown on the right says Canucks will unveil on Aug 29.
Anybody else hear any info about that?

This post has been edited by NumbNucks: 09 August 2007 - 03:15 PM

[steph6]

NumbNucks, on Aug 9 2007, 03:13 PM, said:

I've been checking this website every so often for new info about jerseys and logos around the league.

http://nhllogos.blogspot.com

The countdown on the right says Canucks will unveil on Aug 29.
Anybody else hear any info about that?

ya ive heard that too so it might be right

[bankuba]

First off, my apologies if this information is already out there somewhere in this thread.

I was in Authentix yesterday and the salesperson said the stores would have the new duds on Sept. 14th. Made it sound like it would be the 'sales' launch of the jersey. Now, as for the official ceremony/launch/introduction, I imagine some time shortly before that date. He mentioned that the jersey launch would be in collaboration with training camp. With training camp being in Victoria this year, the question is will they conduct a ceremony before they head off on the 12th of September or wait until they return to the Mainland? My guess is they do it before they take off so they wear all the practice jerseys in camp. Then again, there is info out there about an Aug. 29 unveiling.

Take it for what it's worth.

Decent deals in the store right now by the way. Clearing things out.

[6salopyatt9]

johnnycanuckrulz, on Aug 8 2007, 09:00 PM, said:

Gee I'm glad you didn't ATTACK me. That being said, it's easy to pick apart and find fault with almost EVERYTHING.

As far as the Heritage is concerned, I was talking about the CANUCKS heritage/history going back to their Pacific Coast and Western Hockey League days when Johnny Canuck was their logo or affiliated with the Vancouver Canucks. Just like the fabled "C" and "H" is a part of the Montreal Canadiens, The Maple Leaf is part of the Toronto Maple Leafs, the Indian Head part of the Chicago Blackhawks HISTORY. So what is so wrong with having something that goes back to the Vancouver Canucks EARLY days/years in Pro Hockey?

My reference to race was in regards to the Haida artwork Orca, which people claim as representing B.C. All I was saying is that HARD WORKING "lunch bucket" type workers, such as LUMBERJACKS, represent ALL races of British Columbians/Vancouverites, which would be what the "Johnny Canuck" logo would represent!

I don't understand why so many people are against that logo. It's actually of a person (whatever his "job description" is) on ice skates holding a hockey stick, and it's called, "Johnny CANUCK". It's the logo the Canucks should have used when they first entered the NHL, and if they would have, it may have still been used to this day, much like a lot of the other ones, such as Boston's, Montreal's, Toronto's, Chicago's, Detroit's, Pittsburgh's, Philadelphia's, etc.

As far as the potential success the Canucks would have if they used the Johnny Canuck logo goes, no one can say how successful they would or would not be, but they damn well sure haven't been successful with any of the OTHER logos they've used, and I don't count LOSING in two Stanley Cup finals a SUCCESS!! If the Canucks greatest claim to fame in 37+ years is LOSING in GAME 7 of the Stanley Cup finals, that is not something to be that PROUD of!

Maybe one reason why the Orca is rather popular with some Canuck fans is because it IS the Team's logo, and they feel that they have to love EVERY single thing about the team, just because it is part of the Canucks. If when they changed the logo to the Orca, they would have selected a friggin' garbage can, then the same people would probably say, "OH MY GOD, it's THE BEST LOGO IN HOCKEY" just because it's the VANCOUVER CANUCKS' "LOGO".

Like I said before, the "Stick up the Rink", "Flying V", "Downhill Skate", and "Orca" logos have had their day, and chance, why not give "Johnny Canuck" his chance? Maybe it'll FINALLY change the team's luck. It couldn't do any worse!!

A logo won't change our luck, sorry. Don't you think we'd change it every year if it did? And the Hadia people were the first people in B.C, why shouldn't we honour that and have Haidia artwork as our logo? And "lunchbucket" workers don't represent all races, some people have easy jobs, some have hard ones, some are lazy and don't have jobs, some live off their parents.

There is really no point in arguing the Orca vs. JC because they are on the same level, they're both missing a part (imo)

The orca represents the place, B.C, vancouver, but not the name 'Canucks'

The JC represents the name 'canucks' perfectly, but as much as you can find excuses, a lumberjack doesn't represent Vancouver, or B.C. quite...

So basically, what we argue is that, one of us rather have a logo represting the place, the other representing the name.

[6salopyatt9]

Glory Days, on Aug 9 2007, 02:16 PM, said:

You know any Loggers in BC? I know 1000's of them myself. Also who cares what the US thinks they already have all us Canadians in igloos and saying aboot.

Truth of the matter is it could be any of a number of icons that represents the Province, The City, The Game etc etc.

Personally I liked the idea of them switching the name to BC Canucks because I feel they are more then just Vancouvers team.

One could argue the Orca has nothing to do with hockey or the Canucks as well. I have said it before that I feel the C is over used already and only really belongs to the Habs.

So end result you go with something creative that people and fans adapt too or something to do with Hockey or the Province or The City. Most important too the fans and the team is something that looks good and sells. After all it's a bussiness.

The shouldn't change the name to 'BC canucks', they play in Vancouver, and they've been known as the 'vancouver Canucks' for so long, 'BC Canucks' doesn't have that ring to it....It's fine for all parts of the lower mainland to cheer for them, we're all basically known as 'Vancouver' anyway...

[firzenr]

6salopyatt9, on Aug 10 2007, 08:16 AM, said:

The shouldn't change the name to 'BC canucks', they play in Vancouver, and they've been known as the 'vancouver Canucks' for so long, 'BC Canucks' doesn't have that ring to it....It's fine for all parts of the lower mainland to cheer for them, we're all basically known as 'Vancouver' anyway...

that's right. We play in vancouver, we are vancouver, and we are the canucks. Canucks=vancouver.

[ramirez_inc]

So the 29th is the new hype date that eceryone is waiting for then!?!? Ok start the count down!!


Only 20 days left to the next canucks jersey!!

[6salopyatt9]

Hey guys, the canucks spent 1,000,000 on this new design, so when it comes out, if you don't like it, lets not start a riot, be respectful, Imean they're just jersyes, its still the same team we love.

[GiveItAll]

ramirez_inc, on Aug 9 2007, 05:31 PM, said:

So the 29th is the new hype date that eceryone is waiting for then!?!? Ok start the count down!!
Only 20 days left to the next canucks jersey!!

lol.......here we go again, hopefully they spontaneously release the jerseys before then just to end the pain and frustration that is sure to come in the next couple weeks........it would also save hours of my life that will be spent posting in this topic

[Chow-Time!]

i remember this one episode of sportsnet in the 05-06 season, where at the end of it, Don taylor started recapping the canucks score, then right before the end, he started saying"oh and for canucks fans everywhere, i am hearing there is a new canucks logo coming soon, i heard that this new orca will be wearing pants! good night everyone" weird eh?

my friends dad works with dave nonis's brother, don nonis at canada place, don said that the orca is just going to get recoloured, frankly i cant trust my friend that much because hes always stoned or drunk

anyways that was my two cents