[Mcfly]

"canucks 07", Too true.

This post has been edited by Mcfly: 05 August 2007 - 02:51 PM

[m2kmike]

canuck07, on Aug 5 2007, 02:32 PM, said:

Chicago Blackhawks -> Since when did Indians play hockey?

ummm.... Gino Gino Gino Gino....
Chris Simon
Jordan TooToo
Jonathon Cheechoo

Shall I go on?????????

[canuck07]

m2kmike, on Aug 5 2007, 02:43 PM, said:

ummm.... Gino Gino Gino Gino....
Chris Simon
Jordan TooToo
Jonathon Cheechoo

Shall I go on?????????

Ha ha ha...this made me laugh. In seriousness though, I meant Indian from the days when they ruled the land. Ha ha ha...great stuff.

[GiveItAll]

canuck07, on Aug 5 2007, 02:32 PM, said:

I'm not trying to get in a war of words with you friend. That's not the point of these boards. We have a difference of opinion and that's fine, I did not intend to insult, I wished merely to display the fact that the killer whale is in fact a fine animal to use to represent a team from British Columbia. I am, however, interested to see what you would suggest as an alternative to really suggest what you think is a Canuck. Personally I love humanot's logo of the WWII pilot. It's classy and fantastic, the closest thing I have seen thus far to what could be a Canuck, but then in that case you could also argue...what does a pilot have to do with hockey?

I believe you could make a case about most of the logo's in the league and I would be interested to see how you would defend them.
Toronto Maple Leafs -> What does a leaf have to do with hockey?
Ottawa Senators -> What does a politician have to do with hockey?
Calgary Flames -> What does a flaming 'C' have to do with hockey?
Edmonton Oilers -> What does an oiler have to do with hockey?
Boston Bruins -> What does a bear or a 'B' have to do with hockey?
Detroit Red Wings -> What does a wing have to do with hockey?
Florida Panthers -> What does a cat have to do with hockey?
Tampa Bay Lightning -> What does a lightning bolt have to do with hockey?
Washington Capitals -> What does a capital have to do with hockey?
New York Rangers -> What does a ranger have to do with hockey?
New York Islanders -> What does an island have to do with hockey?
New Jersey Devils -> What does a devil have to do with hockey?
Pittsburgh Penguins -> What does a penguin hold over a killer whale exactly?
Dallas Star -> What does a star have to do with hockey?
Anaheim Ducks -> What does a duck have to do with hockey?
Los Angeles Kings -> What does a king have to do with hockey?
San Jose Sharks -> What does a shark have to do with hockey? p.s. Orca's are known to kill sharks on occasion.
Colorado Avalanche -> What does an avalanche have to do with hockey?
Minnesota Wild -> What does a 'wild' have to do with hockey?
Chicago Blackhawks -> Since when did Indians play hockey?
Columbus Bluejackets -> What does a bluejacket have to do with hockey?
St.Louis Blues -> What does a musical note have to do with hockey?
Phoenix Coyotes -> What does a friggin' coyote have to do with hockey?

Notice a common theme here? At least of all the animal logo's the Canucks have one that depicts British Columbia very well and is cool. Since when was a penguin spotted in Pittsburgh? I don't here there fans gripping about their team name all that much. If anything, logo's are supposed to represent where a team is from more so than what sport the team plays. Just my 2 cents.

.............OWNED!

[Alexander Ovechkin]

Is it me or has 130 pages dissapeered?

[steph6]

Alexander Ovechkin, on Aug 5 2007, 02:48 PM, said:

Is it me or has 130 pages dissapeered?

the other jersey thread got locked

[Roozter]

canuck07, on Aug 6 2007, 01:32 AM, said:

I'm not trying to get in a war of words with you friend. That's not the point of these boards. We have a difference of opinion and that's fine, I did not intend to insult, I wished merely to display the fact that the killer whale is in fact a fine animal to use to represent a team from British Columbia. I am, however, interested to see what you would suggest as an alternative to really suggest what you think is a Canuck. Personally I love humanot's logo of the WWII pilot. It's classy and fantastic, the closest thing I have seen thus far to what could be a Canuck, but then in that case you could also argue...what does a pilot have to do with hockey?

I believe you could make a case about most of the logo's in the league and I would be interested to see how you would defend them.
Toronto Maple Leafs -> What does a leaf have to do with hockey?
Ottawa Senators -> What does a politician have to do with hockey?
Calgary Flames -> What does a flaming 'C' have to do with hockey?
Edmonton Oilers -> What does an oiler have to do with hockey?
Boston Bruins -> What does a bear or a 'B' have to do with hockey?
Detroit Red Wings -> What does a wing have to do with hockey?
Florida Panthers -> What does a cat have to do with hockey?
Tampa Bay Lightning -> What does a lightning bolt have to do with hockey?
Washington Capitals -> What does a capital have to do with hockey?
New York Rangers -> What does a ranger have to do with hockey?
New York Islanders -> What does an island have to do with hockey?
New Jersey Devils -> What does a devil have to do with hockey?
Pittsburgh Penguins -> What does a penguin hold over a killer whale exactly?
Dallas Star -> What does a star have to do with hockey?
Anaheim Ducks -> What does a duck have to do with hockey?
Los Angeles Kings -> What does a king have to do with hockey?
San Jose Sharks -> What does a shark have to do with hockey? p.s. Orca's are known to kill sharks on occasion.
Colorado Avalanche -> What does an avalanche have to do with hockey?
Minnesota Wild -> What does a 'wild' have to do with hockey?
Chicago Blackhawks -> Since when did Indians play hockey?
Columbus Bluejackets -> What does a bluejacket have to do with hockey?
St.Louis Blues -> What does a musical note have to do with hockey?
Phoenix Coyotes -> What does a friggin' coyote have to do with hockey?

Notice a common theme here? At least of all the animal logo's the Canucks have one that depicts British Columbia very well and is cool. Since when was a penguin spotted in Pittsburgh? I don't here there fans gripping about their team name all that much. If anything, logo's are supposed to represent where a team is from more so than what sport the team plays. Just my 2 cents.

The WW2 pilot is good. But its not that the whale should represent hockey, the blackhawks is a tribe of NATIVES. either way its not a whale with blue or white diarehia. The orca is a corporate logo. Orca bay lied to every by saying that it represented Vancouver. It doesn't. Orca Bay is not a Canadian company. The company is from seattle or Oregon. The orca is representing the company not the canucks. This is why so many peop object to the Orca. It doesn't matter if penguins play hockey or having anything to do with hockey. Pittsburgh is called the penguins hence a penguin, not the Wal-mart logo or whatever company's logo that owns the team

[<3]

canuck07, on Aug 5 2007, 02:32 PM, said:

I'm not trying to get in a war of words with you friend. That's not the point of these boards. We have a difference of opinion and that's fine, I did not intend to insult, I wished merely to display the fact that the killer whale is in fact a fine animal to use to represent a team from British Columbia. I am, however, interested to see what you would suggest as an alternative to really suggest what you think is a Canuck. Personally I love humanot's logo of the WWII pilot. It's classy and fantastic, the closest thing I have seen thus far to what could be a Canuck, but then in that case you could also argue...what does a pilot have to do with hockey?

I believe you could make a case about most of the logo's in the league and I would be interested to see how you would defend them.
Toronto Maple Leafs -> What does a leaf have to do with hockey?
Ottawa Senators -> What does a politician have to do with hockey?
Calgary Flames -> What does a flaming 'C' have to do with hockey?
Edmonton Oilers -> What does an oiler have to do with hockey?
Boston Bruins -> What does a bear or a 'B' have to do with hockey?
Detroit Red Wings -> What does a wing have to do with hockey?
Florida Panthers -> What does a cat have to do with hockey?
Tampa Bay Lightning -> What does a lightning bolt have to do with hockey?
Washington Capitals -> What does a capital have to do with hockey?
New York Rangers -> What does a ranger have to do with hockey?
New York Islanders -> What does an island have to do with hockey?
New Jersey Devils -> What does a devil have to do with hockey?
Pittsburgh Penguins -> What does a penguin hold over a killer whale exactly?
Dallas Star -> What does a star have to do with hockey?
Anaheim Ducks -> What does a duck have to do with hockey?
Los Angeles Kings -> What does a king have to do with hockey?
San Jose Sharks -> What does a shark have to do with hockey? p.s. Orca's are known to kill sharks on occasion.
Colorado Avalanche -> What does an avalanche have to do with hockey?
Minnesota Wild -> What does a 'wild' have to do with hockey?
Chicago Blackhawks -> Since when did Indians play hockey?
Columbus Bluejackets -> What does a bluejacket have to do with hockey?
St.Louis Blues -> What does a musical note have to do with hockey?
Phoenix Coyotes -> What does a friggin' coyote have to do with hockey?

Notice a common theme here? At least of all the animal logo's the Canucks have one that depicts British Columbia very well and is cool. Since when was a penguin spotted in Pittsburgh? I don't here there fans gripping about their team name all that much. If anything, logo's are supposed to represent where a team is from more so than what sport the team plays. Just my 2 cents.

I can't believe how you just took the words right out of my mouth.

A team logo is supposed to represent the city, not the sport (IMO). We all know that we're playing hockey, so why not have the logo represent the city rather than the sport? The Orca logo represents Vancouver terrifically. Everything from the colours to the design represent Canada and more specifically Vancouver. Yes, the team is owned by Orca Bay and yes, the logo does also represent Orca Bay. But who's to say it can't represent the company, team, and the city? That's why the Orca is such a great logo, it does such a great job of incorporating everything into one.

[Roozter]

Roozter, on Aug 6 2007, 01:57 AM, said:

The WW2 pilot is good. But its not that the whale should represent hockey, the blackhawks is a tribe of NATIVES. either way its not a whale with blue or white diarehia. The orca is a corporate logo. Orca bay lied to every by saying that it represented Vancouver. It doesn't. Orca Bay is not a Canadian company. The company is from seattle or Oregon. The orca is representing the company not the canucks. This is why so many peop object to the Orca. It doesn't matter if penguins play hockey or having anything to do with hockey. Pittsburgh is called the penguins hence a penguin, not the Wal-mart logo or whatever company's logo that owns the team

All of the above teams have logos or crests that make sense. They don't have to have anything to do with hockey. It has to have something to do with the team

[Roozter]

<3, on Aug 6 2007, 01:59 AM, said:

I can't believe how you just took the words right out of my mouth.

A team logo is supposed to represent the city, not the sport (IMO). We all know that we're playing hockey, so why not have the logo represent the city rather than the sport? The Orca logo represents Vancouver terrifically. Everything from the colours to the design represent Canada and more specifically Vancouver. Yes, the team is owned by Orca Bay and yes, the logo does also represent Orca Bay. But who's to say it can't represent the company, team, and the city? That's why the Orca is such a great logo, it does such a great job of incorporating everything into one.

It doesn't represent Vancouver at all, that's just what Orca brqainwashed you to think. There are Orcas all over the Pacific Ocean they are not exclusive to Vancouver at all. That would be like saying that we should have rain drops on our jerseys because it rains in Vancouver, well guess what it rains everywhere else too. That excuse that Orcas represent Vancouver is not acceptable, its not even a good arguement. Also, a very convincing percentage of Canuck Fans do not think it represents our city or our team at all, so how could you possibly think it should represent our team? Because Orca bay told you it represents our city? And even if the orca was exclusive to our city, which it is not, by that logic, then Toronto should have the CN tower on their JHersey or some bonehead who thinks the Leafs should be the only team in the NHL on their jersey. Give up that the Orca represents our city, if you like it, then fine. You want it on the crest cause you like it... but don't give us that lame garbage that it represents the city.

[Roozter]

you know I can respect that some people like the Orca, but, i have found that the fans that have been supporting the team through all the rough times (ie: the messier years, or even earlier in the 80,s) don't like the orca. The bandwagoners are the ones that like it. I'm not saying that as an insult. Bandwagoneers are fans too.

[Baggins]

m2kmike, on Aug 5 2007, 02:43 PM, said:

ummm.... Gino Gino Gino Gino....
Chris Simon
Jordan TooToo
Jonathon Cheechoo

Shall I go on?????????

Ok, how about rephrasing:
What does a native tribe defeated by the Illinois state militia have to do with hockey?

[drdeath]

Baggins, on Aug 5 2007, 03:20 PM, said:

Ok, how about rephrasing:
What does a native tribe defeated by the Illinois state militia have to do with hockey?

More than likely the United Center is built on their land.

[Roozter]

Baggins, on Aug 6 2007, 02:20 AM, said:

Ok, how about rephrasing:
What does a native tribe defeated by the Illinois state militia have to do with hockey?

It doesn't matter, they use the name because they were brave warriors which is quite often used in sport, either way this is not the argument. The orca doesn't represent Vancouver. It is quite clear that a team nickname doesn't have to represent the sport. The logo should represent the nickname of the team. This is not about the name Canucks, its about a stupid logo, that has nothing to do with a canuck. Now you are arguing that the orca represents Vancouver. Well that doesn't matter it doesn't represent a CANUCK, but also, even though the fact that it doesn't represent a canuck should be enough, the Orca DOES NOT represent vancouver. You can talk all you want about whales and hockey or natives & hockey, that is not the arguement. try understanding that. Read over it a few times if you must

[*vInTaGe*]

Wow, this thread is slowing down.









[stops/]

[Baggins]

Roozter, on Aug 5 2007, 01:54 PM, said:

I'm getting sick of people who have no idea why the orca is even on our jersey. Fine you like it, but don't argue that it has something to do with the canucks or hockey or anything. Just stop.

I've said this before but I'll say it again just for you. If you truly want a logo that represents 'Canucks' it would have to be a frenchman or Hawaiian wearing a fur coat and beaver cap.The original term refered to the French and Hawaiian's working the fur trade in the Pacific NW.

You seem to be the one that has no idea why the Haida style Orca is on the jersey.

[Roozter]

And by the way they are not INDIANS, indians are from INDIA. They are Natives.

[Baggins]

Roozter, on Aug 5 2007, 03:27 PM, said:

It doesn't matter, they use the name because they were brave warriors which is quite often used in sport, either way this is not the argument. The orca doesn't represent Vancouver. It is quite clear that a team nickname doesn't have to represent the sport. The logo should represent the nickname of the team. This is not about the name Canucks, its about a stupid logo, that has nothing to do with a canuck. Now you are arguing that the orca represents Vancouver. Well that doesn't matter it doesn't represent a CANUCK, but also, even though the fact that it doesn't represent a canuck should be enough, the Orca DOES NOT represent vancouver. You can talk all you want about whales and hockey or natives & hockey, that is not the arguement. try understanding that. Read over it a few times if you must

So you'd like a large Hawaiian in a fur coat and beaver cap holding a hockey stick. I get it.

[Roozter]

Baggins, on Aug 6 2007, 02:28 AM, said:

I've said this before but I'll say it again just for you. If you truly want a logo that represents 'Canucks' it would have to be a frenchman or Hawaiian wearing a fur coat and beaver cap.The original term refered to the French and Hawaiian's working the fur trade in the Pacific NW.

You seem to be the one that has no idea why the Haida style Orca is on the jersey.

Well, by that statement your telling me that you're an ignorant american. A canuck is a Canadian hero. Also, a canuck is strong and canadian, which may I add could kick an americans A** any day of the week. The best Canuck logo would be a Canadian beat the crap out of some Yankee redneck. Now that would represent a canuck

[TheGhostOfRazor]

You guys are arguing about the Orca and whether or not it represents anything 'Canuck', etc etc....

Here's the answer:

1. A Canuck is a Canadian.

2. Prior to the Orca, the Canucks have had 2 logos that have 'kind of represented Canadians: Stick/Skate (hockey) and a skate (hockey).

3. When new ownership came in, they created a company that would oversea the hockey team, GM Place, concessions, parking, concerts, trade shows, etc etc. It only makes sense to treat each "arm" of the business as seperate entities, all under an umbrella company. They needed a name. Of course it only made good business sense to come up with a name that the people of B.C. could identify and embrace: "Orca Bay & Entertainment".
Yes, we are Canucks, yes we are Canadians. The killer whale is immediately identifiable with British Columbia though, and if you were to put a patch of a killer whale on your backpack and go travelling across Canada, pretty sure everyone would think you were from B.C.

4. Naturally, with new ownership, they wanted to create a new image for the hockey team. "What would trepresent a Canuck, a Canadian?" they think..."What image is strong, powerful, and indentifiable to British Columbians?"..."Something that is unique to B.C."....ahhh....the KILLER WHALE.

Anyways, while I don't personally think the logo itself is very good, it's is only pessimism that cannot see past the business of it all and realize that our hockey team dons the image of a graceful, strong, powerful, and incredibly beautiful killer whale. People travel across the world to pay good money just to see these orcas in the ocean, and we have these wonders in our backyard.

John McCaw is gone, and his legacy (or lack-thereof), in my mind, is NOT going to tarnish the proud image of a killer whale.