[GiveItAll]

Excuse me everybody, I have something to say.....


Roozter................dude you suck something fierce.



<3, add me to the list of people who are pro-orca / anti Roozter

[<3]

Roozter, on Aug 5 2007, 05:06 PM, said:

um.. you shoul read why don't you look what they said, "atleast the orca isn't the flying V". Seriously why don't you learn to read

Are you sure I'm the one who needs to learn how to read?

cashier, on Aug 5 2007, 04:56 PM, said:

As far as im concerned i like the orca, have nothing against it so im not complaining. I wouldnt mind a new logo no but i would rather keep the orca then spend 1 million on a new logo and end up with another flying V.

Nowhere in there does it say "atleast the orca isn't the flying V". They said they have nothing against the Orca, and they're not complaining. They also said that they wouldn't mind a new logo HOWEVER, they don't want that new logo to look like the Flying V, so they'd rather keep the Orca to play it safe.

Roozter, on Aug 5 2007, 05:08 PM, said:

"My name is Ghostofrazor & i'm a huge canucks fan.. I mean when they are winning. I'm so old school I was watching the canucks when they had bertuzzi" talk to me in twenty years & let me what other bandwagons you've jumped on

Are you sure that YOU'RE not the 3 year old you speak of?

[TheGhostOfRazor]

Roozter, on Aug 5 2007, 05:08 PM, said:

"My name is Ghostofrazor & i'm a huge canucks fan.. I mean when they are winning. I'm so old school I was watching the canucks when they had bertuzzi" talk to me in twenty years & let me what other bandwagons you've jumped on

You're right, I did watch them when they had Bertuzzi.

I also saw them when they had Bure.

And Smyl.

And Tiger.

And King Richard.

Still have my tower from the Stanley Cup Finals in '82 vs the Islanders, and also a 12 foot long banner that said, in big letters "Na na na na, hey hey hey" that we got everyone in our row to stand up and hold.

You know, it's never classy to lose without grace. You're making ourself look even worse than you already have.

This post has been edited by TheGhostOfRazor: 05 August 2007 - 05:15 PM

[Saved_by_Jesus]

I'm anti-orca, but not because of what the orca represents.

I think the logo is actually quite clever - it does have alot of subtle symbolism, but...

It's too busy - I like simple, classic logos, like stink-in-rink.

[<3]

Saved_by_Jesus, on Aug 5 2007, 05:18 PM, said:

I'm anti-orca, but not because of what the orca represents.

I think the logo is actually quite clever - it does have alot of subtle symbolism, but...

It's too busy - I like simple, classic logos, like stink-in-rink.

See now THAT I can live with
I also like the stick-in-rink logo better, but I just don't understand how people can't see what the Orca represents.

[Baggins]

Roozter, on Aug 5 2007, 04:18 PM, said:

I'm saying that the only reason that are logo is the Orca is because of the company that owns the team, orca bay.

This is your biggest problem with the logo. You simply cannot get past this narrow minded perception.

Roozter, on Aug 5 2007, 04:18 PM, said:

Sure they are intelligent animals, graceful, powerful. But they are no exclusively from Vancouver.

How many sports names/logos are actually something that is exclusive to their location? That isn't a requirement. Common to an area is a popular theme though.

Roozter, on Aug 5 2007, 04:18 PM, said:

That is an outsiders perspective. Our team is not in the business of representing what outsiders opinions of what vancouver is

The majority of the teams in the NHL have a logo that contains elements that tie to the teams location. Far more than those that contain a tie to the sport. All of them have an element that ties to the team name. Such as 'C' for Canuck or Canadien.

29 of the 30 logos contain an element that pertains to their team name.

25 of the 30 logos contain an element that pertains to their location.

6 of the 30 logos contain an element that pertains to hockey.


The logo you prefer contains no more of a reference to the team name, Canuck, than the Orca does. The majority of teams appear to consider the second most important element, location, of which the stick/rink contains nothing. It does have an element that appears to be the least important aspect, the sport. Why does this element appear the least important? Because the logo should represent the team, which is basically name and location. Any half-@$$ fan knows what logos belong to their sport.

Roozter, on Aug 5 2007, 04:25 PM, said:

I told you what I wanted,

And therefore the team should switch to it.

Roozter, on Aug 5 2007, 04:25 PM, said:

infact the whole city would be more than happy with the original logo

Oviously you're wrong about this also. That fact is some of us actually appreciate the represention of the Orca logo. I hated the boring stick logo when it was new, and after 37 years it still hasn't grown on me.

[Baggins]

Saved_by_Jesus, on Aug 5 2007, 05:18 PM, said:

I'm anti-orca, but not because of what the orca represents.

I think the logo is actually quite clever - it does have alot of subtle symbolism, but...

It's too busy - I like simple, classic logos, like stink-in-rink.

Isn't that Chilliwack's logo?. You've come up with a good name for it.

[- -Belle*87]

Roozter, on Aug 5 2007, 03:16 PM, said:

you know I can respect that some people like the Orca, but, i have found that the fans that have been supporting the team through all the rough times (ie: the messier years, or even earlier in the 80,s) don't like the orca. The bandwagoners are the ones that like it. I'm not saying that as an insult. Bandwagoneers are fans too.

so liking the orca makes me a bandwagoner eh? well then i guess eveyone with a orca jersey is a bandwagoner, which makes many ppl who attend games @ GM Place bandwagoners 2.. the canucks really dont have many true fans then

Roozter, on Aug 5 2007, 03:27 PM, said:

It doesn't matter, they use the name because they were brave warriors which is quite often used in sport, either way this is not the argument. The orca doesn't represent Vancouver. It is quite clear that a team nickname doesn't have to represent the sport. The logo should represent the nickname of the team. This is not about the name Canucks, its about a stupid logo, that has nothing to do with a canuck. Now you are arguing that the orca represents Vancouver. Well that doesn't matter it doesn't represent a CANUCK, but also, even though the fact that it doesn't represent a canuck should be enough, the Orca DOES NOT represent vancouver. You can talk all you want about whales and hockey or natives & hockey, that is not the arguement. try understanding that. Read over it a few times if you must

sry for being a lil off topic but ... how does a lion represent BC?

GiveItAll, on Aug 5 2007, 05:10 PM, said:

Excuse me everybody, I have something to say.....
Roozter................dude you suck something fierce.
<3, add me to the list of people who are pro-orca / anti Roozter

This post has been edited by mzcrosby87: 05 August 2007 - 06:11 PM

[<3]

mzcrosby87, on Aug 5 2007, 06:09 PM, said:

so liking the orca makes me a bandwagoner eh? well then i guess eveyone with a orca jersey is a bandwagoner, which makes many ppl who attend games @ GM Place bandwagoners 2.. the canucks really dont have many true fans then
sry for being a lil off topic but ... how does a lion represent BC?

I guess the only true, hardcore fan here is Roozter.

[MattWN]

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This post has been edited by MattWN: 05 August 2007 - 06:43 PM

[- -Belle*87]

MattWN, on Aug 5 2007, 06:43 PM, said:

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LOL ITS AN ALIEN HEAD!
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[MattWN]

You're just jelous.

[jovofan]

Wow Roozter, what a pathetic attempt at debating you just did. You failed to even acknowledge the well-reasoned and logical points people were making in an effort to explain why your reasoning was flawed and instead of simply responding in an intelligent and well-reasoned manner of your own, you resort to calling people band wagoners and whining like a child. Grow up. I get that you don't like the orca, you're not the only one. But there's also a lot of people who DO like the orca, like myself. However, just because you don't like the orca doesn't mean you have the right to call the people who do like it brainwashed by Orca Bay or accuse them of not being a fan long enough to actually have a valid opinion.

[Saved_by_Jesus]

Baggins, on Aug 5 2007, 06:01 PM, said:

Isn't that Chilliwack's logo?. You've come up with a good name for it.

LOL! Whoops.

I have actually seen someone else on this board refer to it ("stink-in-rink") as such, so I can't take credit...

And in my case it was just a typo.

This post has been edited by Saved_by_Jesus: 05 August 2007 - 07:35 PM

[diven73]

mzcrosby87, on Aug 5 2007, 06:09 PM, said:

sry for being a lil off topic but ... how does a lion represent BC?

Mountain Lions are in BC. That is why the logo looks like a Mountain Lion (a.k.a. Cougar) instead of a African Lion. That said a team name doesn't have to represent the city.

The point is that a logo should represent the team name. i.e. The orca logo should represent a Canuck. To me I let C represent canucks, and the orca represent the city/province, and I'm fine with it and like the logo. Orca Bay was a holding company for the Canucks, Grizzlies, and GM Place. The Orca is not a corporate logo as the corporation only owns the team and the building they play in, it doesn't benefit them. The Vintage Stick and Rink is the same concept basically, a C to represent the Canucks and a hockey rink to represent the sport being played. The Skate had the Canucks on the jersey and again something representing hockey. With the orca they just switched it to something representing the province.

The only "appropriate" logo we have used so far is Johnny Canuck. But that was pre-NHL and doesn't have enough history with the team, or modern reference, to justify it as a primary logo. They could do a redesign, but it would end up looking like the giants logo.

[King of Anarchy]

Take this for what you will, and I’m not lying either. I’m usually the guy who calls out liars.

My dad was on the Sky Train today because our vehicle is in the process of getting fixed and on the way home from work, he told me that he talked to a guy that worked at GM Place and the guy who worked at GM Place told my dad that he saw Johnny Canuck as the logo.

Once again, I’m not lying about this and I highly doubt that he saw anything, but the news is slow anyway.

[Jazzy B]

King of Anarchy, on Aug 6 2007, 03:18 AM, said:

Take this for what you will, and I’m not lying either. I’m usually the guy who calls out liars.

My dad was on the Sky Train today because our vehicle is in the process of getting fixed and on the way home from work, he told me that he talked to a guy that worked at GM Place and the guy who worked at GM Place told my dad that he saw Johnny Canuck as the logo.

Once again, I’m not lying about this and I highly doubt that he saw anything, but the news is slow anyway.

Trust me, the Canucks logo isn't going to be Johnny Canuck for sure. The GM place guy is probably lying!

I believe you though!

[__Linden__]

Why don't we just get off topic again.

[__Linden__]

Jazzy B, on Aug 6 2007, 03:28 AM, said:

Trust me, the Canucks logo isn't going to be Johnny Canuck for sure. The GM place guy is probably lying!

I believe you though!

Nonis and Zimmerman said it's the Orca, so dream on.

[King of Anarchy]

Jazzy B, on Aug 5 2007, 08:28 PM, said:

Trust me, the Canucks logo isn't going to be Johnny Canuck for sure. The GM place guy is probably lying!

I believe you though!

Hey, you can think whatever you want. I’m just passing the news along.

I wasn’t there so I don’t know how legit that guy even was. We’ve already heard Nonis say that it’s going to be the Orca and who knows, that guy could have been a Janitor just looking for attention.