[Mike27]

timw33, on Oct 4 2007, 12:18 AM, said:

And from three full years ago, the 3 Dmen in drafted in the top 10 of 2004 are not in the NHL this year.

3 Cam Barker
9 Smid
10 Valabik

They are all in the AHL for seasoning and should be good players.

Exactly. The guy saying most top ten picks are in the NHL one year after they were drafted is way off. Fixed your last line for you (AHL, not NHL).

[timw33]

Oh and now Bobby Ryan (#2 2005) has been cut from his NHL team.

BUST BUST BUST.

KOPITAR IS IN THE NHL SCORING GOALS AND RYAN IS IN THE AHL.....BUST....

And it looks like Setoguchi will be in the NHL soon.

[Wetcoaster]

timw33, on Oct 6 2007, 02:34 PM, said:

Oh and now Bobby Ryan (#2 2005) has been cut from his NHL team.

BUST BUST BUST.

KOPITAR IS IN THE NHL SCORING GOALS AND RYAN IS IN THE AHL.....BUST....

And it looks like Setoguchi will be in the NHL soon.

Ryan is obviously a bust - drafted by Burkie.

[T-rev P]

Jester@wraiths.org, on Sep 21 2007, 09:53 AM, said:

No, we should have drafted Kopitar because he was a very talented center with size, something we needed in the system far more than a defenseman. I'd have been happy if we'd taken Kopitar and he was developing slowly, instead of Bourdon developing slowly. Center needed more depth than defense needed in our system.

At the time of the draft we needed a defencmen more than a centre and alot of teams passed him. We had morrison, sedin, and kesler.

[timw33]

T-rev P, on Oct 8 2007, 10:32 PM, said:

At the time of the draft we needed a defencmen more than a centre and alot of teams passed him. We had morrison, sedin, and kesler.

Well really we should've taken the best player available.

[Flinch]

Bobby Lu Fan, on Oct 3 2007, 06:00 PM, said:

I just hate the fact that it looks like he has regressed his development from his 1st training camp. That is the only disheartening part about Luc Bourdon that leaves a horrible taste in peoples mouth. If gives the perception that he is on his way to becoming a bust because he set the expectations so high from his 1st training camp.

When will his ankle fully recover? Some people are saying that it still hasn't fully recovered but where is their proof? Is it something that you notice from watching his mobility?

You're going to get a lot of talk about 'hop stepping' and how his backward skating isn't 'there.'

I made a post a while ago talking about seeing how Bourdon does on a team with some consistent coaching over a full season. He's averaged 45 games the past 2 seasons, played on 3 different teams and in different roles.

He's played well at the WJC and the U20 tourneys he was a part of. I feel if put into the right role to do what he can do, he will turn out okay.

Get a year on the farm to get back into form and gain some confidence. I'm hoping he'll be turning heads by Februaryish.

[Juraj-Simek4]

you know I've always defended Luc & Im going to continue too.

Marc Staal taken I believe 2 spots after Luc just broke into the NHL with the Rangers. AHL time is important & much needed for Luc. They can't all be Crosbys.

[Wetcoaster]

Juraj-Simek4, on Oct 9 2007, 03:37 PM, said:

you know I've always defended Luc & Im going to continue too.

Marc Staal taken I believe 2 spots after Luc just broke into the NHL with the Rangers. AHL time is important & much needed for Luc. They can't all be Crosbys.

Unfortunately too many Woodleys, Polaseks, Herters, Smiths and Holdens.

[stawns]

Flinch, on Oct 8 2007, 11:25 PM, said:

You're going to get a lot of talk about 'hop stepping' and how his backward skating isn't 'there.'

I made a post a while ago talking about seeing how Bourdon does on a team with some consistent coaching over a full season. He's averaged 45 games the past 2 seasons, played on 3 different teams and in different roles.

He's played well at the WJC and the U20 tourneys he was a part of. I feel if put into the right role to do what he can do, he will turn out okay.

Get a year on the farm to get back into form and gain some confidence. I'm hoping he'll be turning heads by Februaryish.

great point Flinch...this kid has been bounced around (sought after, not dumped) by three different teams........a year of ebing in the same place will do him wonders. Consistency is so important for the development of young players.

[Wetcoaster]

Flinch, on Oct 8 2007, 11:25 PM, said:

You're going to get a lot of talk about 'hop stepping' and how his backward skating isn't 'there.'

I made a post a while ago talking about seeing how Bourdon does on a team with some consistent coaching over a full season. He's averaged 45 games the past 2 seasons, played on 3 different teams and in different roles.

He's played well at the WJC and the U20 tourneys he was a part of. I feel if put into the right role to do what he can do, he will turn out okay.

Get a year on the farm to get back into form and gain some confidence. I'm hoping he'll be turning heads by Februaryish.

OTOH he could be a complete bust... Canucks fans are familiar with that process.

[Flinch]

Wetcoaster, on Oct 9 2007, 01:07 PM, said:

OTOH he could be a complete bust... Canucks fans are familiar with that process.

Yeah, but I'm not going to pass any judgement on him until he gets a year in the AHL under his belt.

If he gets injured or is really struggling I'd start to get really worried.

[The Internet Killer]

Well if the AHL rookie defenceman is a complete bust, lets trade his sorry donkey !!!!

After all he only has 3 points this season (2 goals and 1 assist) that isn't very many!

But on the bright side he is the leading scorer on the Moose so we should be able to
get 2 buckets of used pucks for him (if we don't mind some other teams logo on them).

GROW UP PEOPLE !!!

[that_guy_33]

Everyone back on board the Luc bandwagon. Woo Woo.

[TOMapleLaughs]

He leads the Moose in every category except +/-.

Yay?

[__Linden__]

Nothing better than a nice bandwagon post..

[serge2k]

TOMapleLaughs, on Oct 17 2007, 03:07 PM, said:

He leads the Moose in every category except +/-.

Yay?

bust.

plus he isn't playing goal. How the hell can he be a good first round pick if he isn't a superstar at every position.

[papopa]

YES.

[Lost Canuck]

papopa, on Oct 27 2007, 12:10 AM, said:

YES.

7 points in 9 games isn't good enough for a defenceman is it?

[TheKottonmouthed]

# Player Nationality NHL Team College/Junior/Club Team
1 Sidney Crosby © Canada Pittsburgh Penguins Rimouski Oceanic (QMJHL)
2 Bobby Ryan (RW) United States Anaheim Mighty Ducks Owen Sound Attack (OHL)
3 Jack Johnson (D) United States Carolina Hurricanes U.S. National Team Development Program
4 Benoit Pouliot (LW) Canada Minnesota Wild Sudbury Wolves (OHL)
5 Carey Price (G) Canada Montreal Canadiens Tri-City Americans (WHL)
6 Gilbert Brule © Canada Columbus Blue Jackets Vancouver Giants (WHL)
7 Jack Skille (RW) United States Chicago Blackhawks U.S. National Team Development Program/University of Wisconsin-Madison
8 Devin Setoguchi (RW) Canada San Jose Sharks
(from Atlanta Thrashers) Saskatoon Blades (WHL)
9 Brian Lee (D) United States Ottawa Senators Moorhead High School (USHS, MN)
10 Luc Bourdon (D) Canada Vancouver Canucks Val-d'Or Foreurs (QMJHL)
11 Anze Kopitar © Slovenia Los Angeles Kings Södertälje SK Jr. (Sweden)
12 Marc Staal (D) Canada New York Rangers
(from San Jose Sharks) Sudbury Wolves (OHL)
13 Marek Zagrapan © Slovakia Buffalo Sabres Chicoutimi Saguenéens (QMJHL)
14 Sasha Pokulok (D) Canada Washington Capitals Cornell University (ECAC)
15 Ryan O'Marra © Canada New York Islanders Erie Otters (OHL)
16 Alex Bourret (RW) Canada Atlanta Thrashers
(from New York Rangers) Lewiston MAINEiacs (QMJHL)
17 Martin Hanzal © Czech Republic Phoenix Coyotes Budejovice Jr. (Czech)
18 Ryan Parent (D) Canada Nashville Predators Guelph Storm (OHL)
19 Jakub Kindl (D) Czech Republic Detroit Red Wings Kitchener Rangers (OHL)
20 Kenndal McArdle (LW) Canada Florida Panthers
(from Philadelphia Flyers) Moose Jaw Warriors (WHL)
21 Tuukka Rask (G) Finland Toronto Maple Leafs Ilves Jr. (Finland)
22 Matt Lashoff (D) United States Boston Bruins Kitchener Rangers (OHL)
23 Nicklas Bergfors (RW) Sweden New Jersey Devils Södertälje SK Jr. (Sweden)
24 T.J. Oshie © United States St. Louis Blues Warroad High School (USHS, MN)
25 Andrew Cogliano © Canada Edmonton Oilers St. Michael's Buzzers (OPJHL)
26 Matt Pelech (D) Canada Calgary Flames Sarnia Sting (OHL)
27 Joe Finley (D) United States Washington Capitals
(from Colorado Avalanche) Sioux Falls Stampede (USHL)
28 Matt Niskanen (D) United States Dallas Stars Virginia High School (USHS, MN)
29 Steve Downie (RW) Canada Philadelphia Flyers
(from Florida Panthers) Windsor Spitfires (OHL)
30 Vladimir Mihalik (D) Slovakia Tampa Bay Lightning Pesov II (Slovakia)



Out of that 2005 1st round thier is only 2 dmen that have developed faster than Bourdon

Jack johnson 3rd Overall

Ryan Parent 18th overall
maybe Marc staal
so no Bourdon is still on sched when there is more than 5 or 6 dmen that have developled betetr and fatser than him then he is a flop I dont think he too much behind Parent neways either

so really Jack Johnson is the only defensemen who has outshone him form that draft year

This post has been edited by 2567Gino#29: 30 October 2007 - 06:08 PM

[Wetcoaster]

2567Gino#29, on Oct 30 2007, 06:07 PM, said:

# Player Nationality NHL Team College/Junior/Club Team
1 Sidney Crosby © Canada Pittsburgh Penguins Rimouski Oceanic (QMJHL)
6 Gilbert Brule © Canada Columbus Blue Jackets Vancouver Giants (WHL)
11 Anze Kopitar © Slovenia Los Angeles Kings Södertälje SK Jr. (Sweden)
13 Marek Zagrapan © Slovakia Buffalo Sabres Chicoutimi Saguenéens (QMJHL)
15 Ryan O'Marra © Canada New York Islanders Erie Otters (OHL)
17 Martin Hanzal © Czech Republic Phoenix Coyotes Budejovice Jr. (Czech)
24 T.J. Oshie © United States St. Louis Blues Warroad High School (USHS, MN)
25 Andrew Cogliano © Canada Edmonton Oilers St. Michael's Buzzers (OPJHL)

I do not think you are permitted to copyright players.