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Bourdon a Flop?

#31 User is offline   stawns Icon


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Posted 21 September 2007 - 10:49 PM

he was fine yesterday....he made some great plays and some nice outlet passes and, though he was caught out of position 2-3 times, who wasn't? He's 20 and he made 20 year old mistakes, like most 20 yr olds do, big deal. he's going to be an important player for the organization in the future.
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Posted 21 September 2007 - 11:21 PM

i think hes definetly a flop

but hey it nice to enjoy the optimistic rants of yougsters here
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Posted 22 September 2007 - 12:03 AM

View PostUkrainian_Canuck, on Sep 21 2007, 11:21 PM, said:

i think hes definetly a flop

but hey it nice to enjoy the optimistic rants of yougsters here
hahah



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Posted 22 September 2007 - 12:13 AM

The worrisome part is his lack of development over three training camps. poor decision-making, seeming inability to think the game and poor positioning.

He still does not look like he has fully recovered from the shattered ankle. He does not drive off the leg, his transition skating is weak and when he is going backwards it is like he is mired in concrete.

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He has been out-classed by Alex Edler and out-played by the likes of Nathan McIver, Zack Fitzgerald and Jim Sharrow.

It's early, but Luc Bourdon's play in his third camp with the Canucks, specifically his on-ice decision making, is again raising alarm bells as questions persist about his development.
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There haven't been many questions about Bourdon's NHL-calibre skill set, although his turning ability and backwards skating have, at times, raised some concern since he suffered a devastating ankle injury in February, 2006.

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Posted 22 September 2007 - 12:21 AM

I don't like his play or how slow he is coming along. But does it really matter? If he never gets to the next step in his career he will never play in the NHL again. It just sucks we wasted a 1st round pick on him. But who knows, maybe next year he'll make our top 6. We'll just have to wait and see. Either way its not going to affect our present team or outcome anyway.
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Posted 22 September 2007 - 11:06 AM

View PostUkrainian_Canuck, on Sep 21 2007, 11:21 PM, said:

i think hes definetly a flop

but hey it nice to enjoy the optimistic rants of yougsters here
hahah




It is obvious that your Hockey knowledge is only exceeded by the number of Ukraine hockey players in the NHL.
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Posted 22 September 2007 - 04:24 PM

convert him to forward...?
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Posted 22 September 2007 - 04:25 PM

View PostModoExpress, on Sep 22 2007, 04:24 PM, said:

convert him to forward...?


I think he has better potenial as a goalie.
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Posted 22 September 2007 - 06:15 PM

View PostJester@wraiths.org, on Sep 21 2007, 09:53 AM, said:

No, we should have drafted Kopitar because he was a very talented center with size, something we needed in the system far more than a defenseman. I'd have been happy if we'd taken Kopitar and he was developing slowly, instead of Bourdon developing slowly. Center needed more depth than defense needed in our system.


Remember that at the time we picked Bourdon, Bieksa didn't show the promise he has since and Edler wasn't around either. Although I guess we were still counting on Nolan Baumgartner as a prospect.
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Posted 22 September 2007 - 06:35 PM

View Poststawns, on Sep 22 2007, 01:49 AM, said:

he was fine yesterday....he made some great plays and some nice outlet passes and, though he was caught out of position 2-3 times, who wasn't? He's 20 and he made 20 year old mistakes, like most 20 yr olds do, big deal. he's going to be an important player for the organization in the future.

He decided to take a year off before he goes to university?
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Posted 22 September 2007 - 07:03 PM

View Post~mcm~, on Sep 22 2007, 06:15 PM, said:

Remember that at the time we picked Bourdon, Bieksa didn't show the promise he has since and Edler wasn't around either. Although I guess we were still counting on Nolan Baumgartner as a prospect.


and jovo was a free agent at the end of the upcoming season. the WCE was still producing. i don;t care what anyone says. when they made the pick it was the right one. and if the ankle never does recover fully.... how could they see that comming? it happened way after the draft. people need to STFU untill he's in his mid 20's. if he's still hanging around the AHL with no promise of ever coming up then they need to make the cut. for now he's going into his FIRST AHL SEASON. jeeze. people are way to quick to judge around here. like millbury and luongo. but we're glad about that one right? or he'd be the one with a 15 year contract and we'd be sol
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Posted 22 September 2007 - 07:05 PM

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Posted 22 September 2007 - 07:10 PM

View PostBluXington, on Sep 22 2007, 01:36 PM, said:

Bourdons had a rough first game, but in Thursdays game he really slowed things down and started doing all the small things right.

I still saw him go for the big hit a couple times when he could of just angled the guy into the corner, but overall he had a good game.

His pass out of the zone was always a good one, he would either just dump it up the boards if there was immediate pressure, or would give a tape to tape pass, I didn't see him make a bad pass all game I think and if I did it didn't turn into anything.

Him and Krajicek looked really good together and where passing between each other well.

When he was not looking for the big hit he was actually playing his positional game rather well, if he can continue to slow his game down and start focusing on the small things that separate the good defensemen from the bad ones I think he will turn out just fine.

I think full ability to turning off of the ankle he injured will come in time, his above average skating is still there and he still has the offensive instincts, he just has to learn when to play it safe and not go for the rush, I think in times past he has been trying to live up to the hype to much and has been forcing things.

He really needs to get over the nervousness and start playing with the confidence he had in the juniors and that is something that will come with time.

Don't forget people, he has yet to even play half a season in either the NHL or the AHL, once he has at least one year of AHL experience under him I think then we can start to decide what the future holds for him.


There you go.




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Posted 23 September 2007 - 07:45 AM

Bourdon will be fine, just give him a season or two on the Moose with some call ups.
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Posted 23 September 2007 - 03:26 PM

Maybe he'll play about 40 games with the Moose and get called up and rock the rest of the season!
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Posted 23 September 2007 - 03:35 PM

Naturally defenseman take more time to develop, theres just so much pressure on this kid right now, especially with Edler biting at his heels. There was even more hype about Bryan Allen when he was drafted 4th overall and he didn't turn out to be too bad....well sorta. But the point is, it just takes a longer time for some to develop, give him a break.


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Posted 23 September 2007 - 06:46 PM

View PostChroniK, on Sep 23 2007, 05:35 PM, said:

Naturally defenseman take more time to develop, theres just so much pressure on this kid right now, especially with Edler biting at his heels. There was even more hype about Bryan Allen when he was drafted 4th overall and he didn't turn out to be too bad....well sorta. But the point is, it just takes a longer time for some to develop, give him a break.



I agree, Bourdon is under a lot of pressure........but there is no way Edler is biting at his heels. Edler is over the next rise, in front.
Bourdon may respond to some good coaching in the minors, and may develop into a good player. It will take some time, if it happens at all.

Hopefully, if Bourdon goes down to the Moose, people will forget about him and their expectations of him, and just let him develop.
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Posted 23 September 2007 - 06:47 PM

give him time to get better.


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Posted 23 September 2007 - 06:57 PM

View Post~mcm~, on Sep 22 2007, 06:15 PM, said:

Remember that at the time we picked Bourdon, Bieksa didn't show the promise he has since and Edler wasn't around either. Although I guess we were still counting on Nolan Baumgartner as a prospect.


Actually, when we drafted Bourdon, Bieksa had just turned in an impressive AHL season, scoring goals, putting up assists, plenty of penalty minutes while posting a very solid +/-. Jovo was a free agent, who Nonis had every opportunity to make a choice to sign, but chose not to.

Our depth at center in the system, was abysmal.
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Posted 23 September 2007 - 07:14 PM

View PostJester@wraiths.org, on Sep 23 2007, 06:57 PM, said:

Actually, when we drafted Bourdon, Bieksa had just turned in an impressive AHL season, scoring goals, putting up assists, plenty of penalty minutes while posting a very solid +/-. Jovo was a free agent, who Nonis had every opportunity to make a choice to sign, but chose not to.

Our depth at center in the system, was abysmal.



Yeah we could've signed him....for upwards of 6M.
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