[seby_luongo]

timw33, on Sep 25 2007, 12:04 AM, said:

Have you not learned that rankings do not always matter?

so true look what happened to espisito and kessel both projected really high then drafted a little bit lower and in espisitos case alot lower

[Ghostsof1915]

So considering Paul Stastny scored 17 more points than Kopitar, so did LA make a mistake and should have drafted Stastny?

Get over it, we didn't draft Kopitar. If we made a mistake in the draft hopefully we'll learn from the mistakes and we'll find more gems and get less flops.
Paul Stastny was passed by every team in the first round. Surprise! He's a solid player.

Enough of Kopitar skorz goalz crap. Give Bourdon some time, besides watch the trade deadline each year what's in demand? D-men, not forwards.

[Sidney Crosby87]

He was suppose to be our Jovo when we drafted him? Looks at how weak his point totals were in the junior league. If he was such a great offensive d prospects why couldn't he put up numbers offensively like a Letang?

You don't even notice him offensively in the NHL level and he was told by management to dumb down his play so he wouldn't make mistakes. He can't even use his skill level to his advantage right now.

When you don't improve your level of play from your first training camp then I don't see how we should get excited about his development... He was amazing in his first camp but boy is he falling off the depth chart fast. I thought he would make a case for Edler and the 7th d spot but that ended quickly from the get go.

[JimmEh]

Sidney Crosby87, on Sep 28 2007, 06:03 PM, said:

He was suppose to be our Jovo when we drafted him? Looks at how weak his point totals were in the junior league. If he was such a great offensive d prospects why couldn't he put up numbers offensively like a Letang?

You don't even notice him offensively in the NHL level and he was told by management to dumb down his play so he wouldn't make mistakes. He can't even use his skill level to his advantage right now.

When you don't improve your level of play from your first training camp then I don't see how we should get excited about his development... He was amazing in his first camp but boy is he falling off the depth chart fast. I thought he would make a case for Edler and the 7th d spot but that ended quickly from the get go.

he played on val'dor which at the time was a sh!t team. he broke his ankle very badly and his skating ability has not recovered since. he broke his ankle well AFTER the draft i might add. after his first training camp that he showed so well at. the two following were not nearly as good. the guy needs some time to recover this has slowed his developement and d-men are always slower to develope to start with. so stfu

[serge2k]

Jester@wraiths.org, on Sep 23 2007, 06:57 PM, said:

Actually, when we drafted Bourdon, Bieksa had just turned in an impressive AHL season, scoring goals, putting up assists, plenty of penalty minutes while posting a very solid +/-. Jovo was a free agent, who Nonis had every opportunity to make a choice to sign, but chose not to.

Our depth in the system, was abysmal.

fixed.

[Russ]

NaslundRocks, on Sep 21 2007, 04:05 AM, said:

but it worked so well with the Sedins...

Yes they are aweful we know

[Breakout Pass]

Long gone are the days of raised in your system team captains, or star quality players. The canucks took the very hard road of drafting the Sedins and bringing them up into the team slowly, from their home team overseas, not through the moose. I think that is the last case on this team i can think of, and it was in 2000 that they came up, thats 7 long years to prove my case. These days, you draft, and play a b-team down in the minors to cover your injuries. Other than that, you wait to see what you can pick up when a player is 22-26 and have their first contract over with. Maybe you get lucky and have some talent you can protect.

Luc will be a top 4 Dman on a team sometime down the road, will it be Vancouver? I doubt it.
Oh, and he will likely see another 15-25 games with the nucks, cuz i see him as a valuable call up, great player for his age.

[Jester@wraiths.ca]

serge2k, on Sep 29 2007, 10:06 PM, said:

fixed.

The comment I made about our depth in the system being abysmal was in regards to the Center position, which still is pretty abysmal. Overall, we're rated 21st in terms of prospects depth, and thats based on a strong goalie and defense pool. Our depth at forward, even with the recent additions, is very low, with center being the lowest point. I mean, it's great we're all excited about some of our young forwards in the system, but just because we're deeper there now, doesn't mean we're solid in the area, it just means we're now deeper than the puddle of depth we had...

[jmfaminoff]

Russ, on Sep 29 2007, 10:31 PM, said:

Yes they are aweful we know

As for the Sedins, if this was four/five years ago, many were calling for them to be traded.

[Jester@wraiths.ca]

jmfaminoff, on Oct 1 2007, 10:07 AM, said:

As for the Sedins, if this was four/five years ago, many were calling for them to be traded.

That was pure stupidity talking though. They were getting lower minutes than other prospects they were being compared to, and putting up better points per minute on the ice.

There is of course a difference between the Sedins putting in solid 12 minutes a game at age 20, vs not looking good enough in camp to stay with the team as is the case with Bourdon at age 20. Definitely give him time, but i'm just worried how he looked better in his first camp, and worse as time has progressed. Hopefully he turns it around.

[Remi]

Boudon has speed, strenght and good offensive skills. He'll be as a regular if he's traded...and I hope that he will be traded because you guy's dont seem to appreciate him anymore. It's funny how a player who was a fan favorite two years ago became the flop that you say he is.

Good luck Luc, hope to see you play in the NHL sometime this year!

[Venusius]

Geez. Bourdon is only 20. How long did it take Bieksa to crack the line-up? Give him a break guys. I still see potential in him and he still has good value as a prospect. I expect him to do well in Manitoba this season. A definite call-up if the injury bug strikes our d-corps again.

[timw33]

9th overall Brian Lee didn't make the Sens.


BUST

BUST

BUST

BUST

SINCE HE WAS A HIGHER PICK THAN BURDON HE IS A BIGGER BUST.

SO IS POULIOT WHAT A BUST

And also Kris Letang didn't make the Penguins.

BUST BUST BUST

This post has been edited by timw33: 01 October 2007 - 06:59 PM

[JimmEh]

timw33, on Oct 1 2007, 04:36 PM, said:

9th overall Brian Lee didn't make the Sens.
BUST

BUST

BUST

BUST

SINCE HE WAS A HIGHER PICK THAN BURDON HE IS A BIGGER BUST.

SO IS POULIOT WHAT A BUST

And also Kris Letang didn't make the Penguins.

BUST BUST BUST

OH MY GOD WHAT A CRAPPY DRAFT. KOPSH!TAR WAS THE ONLY THING WORTH ANYTHING THERE

This post has been edited by JimmEh: 01 October 2007 - 10:11 PM

[NHL'er]

Venusius, on Oct 1 2007, 01:51 PM, said:

Geez. Bourdon is only 20. How long did it take Bieksa to crack the line-up? Give him a break guys. I still see potential in him and he still has good value as a prospect. I expect him to do well in Manitoba this season. A definite call-up if the injury bug strikes our d-corps again.

Good point... I always think Bieksa is a young prospect, then I remember hes 26.

[Octane]

whoa, my idiot meter is going crazy here....must be the thread title. I think I will leave the thread.

[timw33]

Oh and Jack Skille (7th) didn't make his team.

[dhabums]

Jester@wraiths.org, on Sep 21 2007, 09:53 AM, said:

No, we should have drafted Kopitar because he was a very talented center with size, something we needed in the system far more than a defenseman. I'd have been happy if we'd taken Kopitar and he was developing slowly, instead of Bourdon developing slowly. Center needed more depth than defense needed in our system.

Not in 05 when we had we had TONS of offence. Jovo was on the way out after the season was over, Mitchell wasn't a Canuck, Kracker wasn't, Edler wasn't exactly on the radar.

Just look at our playoff "run" in 05/06 and tell me who great our d was. Depth at D is a female dog.

[timw33]

And typically, its easier to replace a Dman from within the system rather than by an inflated UFA market demand for quality dmen, due to a lack of.

[Jester@wraiths.ca]

dhabums, on Oct 1 2007, 11:45 PM, said:

Not in 05 when we had we had TONS of offence. Jovo was on the way out after the season was over, Mitchell wasn't a Canuck, Kracker wasn't, Edler wasn't exactly on the radar.

Just look at our playoff "run" in 05/06 and tell me who great our d was. Depth at D is a female dog.

No, the BIG club had tons of offense, the farm team had very few offensive prospects at all. The draft isn't about someone to shove into the lineup the same year, and the Kings didn't expect Kopitar to jump into the lineup like he did either. The draft is about stocking for the future so when what you have is going out, you've got new talent to come in. As it was, we had nobody on the farm with potential to become a top 6 forward. Yet on D, we had Bieksa who had just turned in a tremendous season, Koltsov who was still in the realm of possibilities (and still rated very highly)...