[matchesmalone]

You can't keep a GM around because he made one good trade for Luongo. The forwards and the defense are significantly weaker than the group that was here under Brian Burke.
Nonis has kept around the same set of core players, but they have aged beyond their primes.

He also brought in a coach that designs amateur power play schemes and preaches "hard work" over positional play. I prefered the Marc Crawford days when the team dominated by great systems play. If Crawford had Luongo, this team would have won the Stanley Cup.

If the Canucks were so sound defensively, why do they keep getting outshot night after night? Nonis brought in two defensemen from LA, the worst defensive team in the league last year. No wonder this team is so bad.

And where are the benefits of the scouting? Why do we see teams like Colorado and Detroit draft good players year after year and we end up with AHL level prospects?

We could have drafted Kopitar, but instead drafted Bourdon. Enough said.

This team needs goal scoring, but attempting to fill the gaps with Daniel Briere sized players won't work. Briere is an exception, not a rule. Isbister was the best signing this year. I guess Nonis can't get it all wrong. But until this team stops relying on Naslund and Morrison, who get pounded by teams like San Jose and Anaheim, they will never contend for the Stanley Cup.

Michael Handzus was available. Why didn't we go after him? I'm sure he would have rather come to Vancouver than the LA Kings.

It's fine to have third line players like Isbister. But what about the second line? That's where the size and strength comes. Nobody doubts the skill of Morrison and Naslund. But we do doubt their ability to compete against monstrous teams like Anaheim and San Jose.

[JCiarniello]

You bring up some points that have never been said before.

We could've drafed Kopitar? You dont say?

[__Linden__]

Isn't he on a contract.

A.V. Did win the jack adams, lol..

But, I don't mind Nonis, but i'm not his biggest fan either.

^^ I didn't know about this Kopitar thing either, hmm, well, it's too late now.

This post has been edited by __Linden__: 16 October 2007 - 01:03 PM

[Champions of Nothing]

LOL at Handzus.

OMG WE COULD HAVE DRAFTED KOPITAR????

[JCiarniello]

__Linden__, on Oct 16 2007, 03:01 PM, said:

Isn't he on a contract.

A.V. Did win the jack adams, lol..

But, I don't mind Nonis, but i'm not his biggest fan either.

^^ I didn't know about this Kopitar thing either, hmm, well, it's too late now.

So far, I am a Nonis fan.

But the real test for him is next summer.

[ENuck]

JCiarniello, on Oct 16 2007, 01:02 PM, said:

You bring up some points that have never been said before.

We could've drafed Kopitar? You dont say?

News to me.

[cookie22]

Please, this is exactly the way we started last season. We started off slow, so you can't blame Nonis. He's the reason we got Bobby-Lou.

[Flinch]

matchesmalone, on Oct 16 2007, 08:00 AM, said:

You can't keep a GM around because he made one good trade for Luongo. The forwards and the defense are significantly weaker than the group that was here under Brian Burke.
Nonis has kept around the same set of core players, but they have aged beyond their primes.

He also brought in a coach that designs amateur power play schemes and preaches "hard work" over positional play. I prefered the Marc Crawford days when the team dominated by great systems play. If Crawford had Luongo, this team would have won the Stanley Cup.

If the Canucks were so sound defensively, why do they keep getting outshot night after night? Nonis brought in two defensemen from LA, the worst defensive team in the league last year. No wonder this team is so bad.

And where are the benefits of the scouting? Why do we see teams like Colorado and Detroit draft good players year after year and we end up with AHL level prospects?

We could have drafted Kopitar, but instead drafted Bourdon. Enough said.

This team needs goal scoring, but attempting to fill the gaps with Daniel Briere sized players won't work. Briere is an exception, not a rule. Isbister was the best signing this year. I guess Nonis can't get it all wrong. But until this team stops relying on Naslund and Morrison, who get pounded by teams like San Jose and Anaheim, they will never contend for the Stanley Cup.

Michael Handzus was available. Why didn't we go after him? I'm sure he would have rather come to Vancouver than the LA Kings.

It's fine to have third line players like Isbister. But what about the second line? That's where the size and strength comes. Nobody doubts the skill of Morrison and Naslund. But we do doubt their ability to compete against monstrous teams like Anaheim and San Jose.

Wah, wah, wah.

This is like a condensed version of the retard groupthink that always crops up after a Canucks loss.

Some things to ponder...

- I wasn't aware the Sedins were past their prime. In fact, I wasn't aware they had REACHED their prime.
- I guess trading off Dan Cloutier for 2 draft picks was a bad deal, huh?
- You like big bodies, so why no love for Taylor Pyatt?
- Mike Weaver was a waiver wire pickup because our defense ran into a ton of injury problems early on.
- You whine about drafting. Well, what about Schneider, Edler, Raymond or Bourdon (who is looking good out there for the Moose early on.)
- Nonis is well aware that there are problems with this club and has stated he is willing to make a trade if necessary. It looks like he's slowly running out of options here.
- He brought us Luongo and brought in a Jack Adams winning coach.
- Marc Crawford and 'great systems play' is laughable and something that should not go together.
- Yes, he probably would have won a Cup with Luongo in net. We all saw how great of a coach he was riding another great Quebecois goalie.
- Who would you rather have as your top four defensemen? Bieksa, Mitchell, Ohlund and Salo or Jovo, Malik/Sopel, Salo and Ohlund?
- Canucks had the #1 PK in the league last year. I guess that's a result of poor systems play, though, hmm?


I agree, though. The guy who has taken great steps to turn around our drafting and brought us a true franchise goaltender to this club for the first time in ages should be canned. You're absolutely right.

[Connaught]

matchesmalone, on Oct 16 2007, 04:00 PM, said:

You can't keep a GM around because he made one good trade for Luongo. The forwards and the defense are significantly weaker than the group that was here under Brian Burke.
Nonis has kept around the same set of core players, but they have aged beyond their primes.

He also brought in a coach that designs amateur power play schemes and preaches "hard work" over positional play. I prefered the Marc Crawford days when the team dominated by great systems play. If Crawford had Luongo, this team would have won the Stanley Cup.

If the Canucks were so sound defensively, why do they keep getting outshot night after night? Nonis brought in two defensemen from LA, the worst defensive team in the league last year. No wonder this team is so bad.

And where are the benefits of the scouting? Why do we see teams like Colorado and Detroit draft good players year after year and we end up with AHL level prospects?

We could have drafted Kopitar, but instead drafted Bourdon. Enough said.

This team needs goal scoring, but attempting to fill the gaps with Daniel Briere sized players won't work. Briere is an exception, not a rule. Isbister was the best signing this year. I guess Nonis can't get it all wrong. But until this team stops relying on Naslund and Morrison, who get pounded by teams like San Jose and Anaheim, they will never contend for the Stanley Cup.

Michael Handzus was available. Why didn't we go after him? I'm sure he would have rather come to Vancouver than the LA Kings.

It's fine to have third line players like Isbister. But what about the second line? That's where the size and strength comes. Nobody doubts the skill of Morrison and Naslund. But we do doubt their ability to compete against monstrous teams like Anaheim and San Jose.

Wow! That's a bold statement. I think most people will say the jury is still out on that one. I've said it before, the signing was an insurance ploicy. Right now, at least for 4 shifts last night, it is paying an annuity.

Have Isbis show some consistency and bring it every night and then you may have some converts. He played well last night cause someone lit a fire underneath him, and Cooke TRIED to do the same, but didn't deliver much. They are skat'in scared.

[Wildcarder]

Sweet, the fire so-and-so threads have started 6 games into the season already, don't you love our fans?

[Flinch]

ENuck, on Oct 16 2007, 08:04 AM, said:

News to me.

Who is this Anze Kopitar? I'm surprised I've never heard anything about him at all, ever, before.

[CaptainCanuck]

yes, lets fire our GM after the best season in Canucks history because after this year we're .500 after a whopping six games. give me a break. the season has barely started. Nonis wanted to see if guys like Raymond and Shannon could plug our offensive holes before he invested big money in a free agent or traded away away some of our future. if this keeps up expect a trade to fill the hole. as for Crawford being better than AV, well it's not even close. Crawford road a stacked team to the Stanley Cup in 96 and the West Coast Express to a few mediocre seasons here in Vancouver. when times got tough he couldn't motivate his players and he was canned. AV took what should have been a fringe playoff team to the NW division title. my advice to you is take a breather, be patient and remember there are still 76 games to be played this season.

[tomdavie]

CaptainCanuck, on Oct 16 2007, 04:12 PM, said:

yes, lets fire our GM after the best season in Canucks history because after this year we're .500 after a whopping six games. give me a break. the season has barely started. Nonis wanted to see if guys like Raymond and Shannon could plug our offensive holes before he invested big money in a free agent or traded away away some of our future. if this keeps up expect a trade to fill the hole. as for Crawford being better than AV, well it's not even close. Crawford road a stacked team to the Stanley Cup in 96 and the West Coast Express to a few mediocre seasons here in Vancouver. when times got tough he couldn't motivate his players and he was canned. AV took what should have been a fringe playoff team to the NW division title. my advice to you is take a breather, be patient and remember there are still 76 games to be played this season.

I dont think Nonis is a GM that is going to get us stacked to the point of winning the cup. Period.

I dont think hes the WORST GM to ever walk the planet either.

He has shown me so far that he is VERY hesitant to move players and take risks. A good GM will take risks to improve his hockey team, even when they are a playoff team already.

Bertuzzi for Luongo was no 'risk' . It was a one sided no brainer.

[Flinch]

tomdavie, on Oct 16 2007, 08:18 AM, said:

I dont think Nonis is a GM that is going to get us stacked to the point of winning the cup. Period.

I dont think hes the WORST GM to ever walk the planet either.

He has shown me so far that he is VERY hesitant to move players and take risks. A good GM will take risks to improve his hockey team, even when they are a playoff team already.

Bertuzzi for Luongo was no 'risk' . It was a one sided no brainer.

So how about that 'washed up bum' Morrison, tomdavie? I haven't heard you crowing about how right you are with him lately...

[Rory4Prez]

matchesmalone, on Oct 16 2007, 01:00 PM, said:

You can't keep a GM around because he made one good trade for Luongo. The forwards and the defense are significantly weaker than the group that was here under Brian Burke.
Nonis has kept around the same set of core players, but they have aged beyond their primes.

He also brought in a coach that designs amateur power play schemes and preaches "hard work" over positional play. I prefered the Marc Crawford days when the team dominated by great systems play. If Crawford had Luongo, this team would have won the Stanley Cup.

If the Canucks were so sound defensively, why do they keep getting outshot night after night? Nonis brought in two defensemen from LA, the worst defensive team in the league last year. No wonder this team is so bad.


And where are the benefits of the scouting? Why do we see teams like Colorado and Detroit draft good players year after year and we end up with AHL level prospects?

We could have drafted Kopitar, but instead drafted Bourdon. Enough said.

This team needs goal scoring, but attempting to fill the gaps with Daniel Briere sized players won't work. Briere is an exception, not a rule. Isbister was the best signing this year. I guess Nonis can't get it all wrong. But until this team stops relying on Naslund and Morrison, who get pounded by teams like San Jose and Anaheim, they will never contend for the Stanley Cup.

Michael Handzus was available. Why didn't we go after him? I'm sure he would have rather come to Vancouver than the LA Kings.

It's fine to have third line players like Isbister. But what about the second line? That's where the size and strength comes. Nobody doubts the skill of Morrison and Naslund. But we do doubt their ability to compete against monstrous teams like Anaheim and San Jose.

Hate to say it, but I gotta agree with you on that point.

But this is just the beginning of a new season...give them sometime, they will end up winning like end of last season.

[__Linden__]

JCiarniello, on Oct 16 2007, 08:03 PM, said:

So far, I am a Nonis fan.

But the real test for him is next summer.

Yeah, well if he doesn't make some moves, I don't think he'll last too long.

He did make this team what it is now, you have to give him respect.

[ThePointblank]

Wildcarder, on Oct 16 2007, 02:09 PM, said:

Sweet, the fire so-and-so threads have started 6 games into the season already, don't you love our fans?

They started BEFORE we started pre-season... remember the threads about firing Roger Takahashi during training camp? Shows how fickle some fans are, pressing the Panic button and start spouting fire such and such before the start of the season...

[Champions of Nothing]

Flinch, on Oct 16 2007, 01:07 PM, said:

Wah, wah, wah.

This is like a condensed version of the retard groupthink that always crops up after a Canucks loss.

Some things to ponder...

- I wasn't aware the Sedins were past their prime. In fact, I wasn't aware they had REACHED their prime.
- I guess trading off Dan Cloutier for 2 draft picks was a bad deal, huh?
- You like big bodies, so why no love for Taylor Pyatt?
- Mike Weaver was a waiver wire pickup because our defense ran into a ton of injury problems early on.
- You whine about drafting. Well, what about Schneider, Edler, Raymond or Bourdon (who is looking good out there for the Moose early on.)
- Nonis is well aware that there are problems with this club and has stated he is willing to make a trade if necessary. It looks like he's slowly running out of options here.
- He brought us Luongo and brought in a Jack Adams winning coach.
- Marc Crawford and 'great systems play' is laughable and something that should not go together.
- Yes, he probably would have won a Cup with Luongo in net. We all saw how great of a coach he was riding another great Quebecois goalie.
- Who would you rather have as your top four defensemen? Bieksa, Mitchell, Ohlund and Salo or Jovo, Malik/Sopel, Salo and Ohlund?
- Canucks had the #1 PK in the league last year. I guess that's a result of poor systems play, though, hmm?
I agree, though. The guy who has taken great steps to turn around our drafting and brought us a true franchise goaltender to this club for the first time in ages should be canned. You're absolutely right.

True, but Choiunard and Bulis didn't work out. So there.

[shiznak]

Duly noted.

[EmployeeoftheMonth]

I'm shocked this took a whole 5 games to come up. I give it about 15 more games before we get a "Luongo is not that good, we should trade him for heatley" thread.