[Luongo07]

How long do we have to wait before a "knee-jerk" reaction becomes reality?

These boards are constantly filled with arguements about Naslund and why he should be moved etc. People argue back with comments like '"why make a knee jerk reaction so early in the season etc".

How long do we have to wait before a "knee-jerk" reaction becomes reality? We have seen Naslunds production decrease on a consistent basis since the 03-04 season. Waiting for him to "snap back" to his old form has become detremental to this hockey club. In fact I am sure that when Dave Nonis goes to see what he can get for Nazzy, the well will be dry...there will be nothing coming back our way...we've waited this one out too long...

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Luongo07, on Oct 25 2007, 12:41 PM, said:

How long do we have to wait before a "knee-jerk" reaction becomes reality?

These boards are constantly filled with arguements about Naslund and why he should be moved etc. People argue back with comments like '"why make a knee jerk reaction so early in the season etc".

How long do we have to wait before a "knee-jerk" reaction becomes reality? We have seen Naslunds production decrease on a consistent basis since the 03-04 season. Waiting for him to "snap back" to his old form has become detremental to this hockey club. In fact I am sure that when Dave Nonis goes to see what he can get for Nazzy, the well will be dry...there will be nothing coming back our way...we've waited this one out too long...

i think maybe instead of being worried about "knee jerk" reactions, you should maybe consider his NO TRADE CLAUSE

sigh...

[Luongo07]

YOU CAN ASK HIM TO WAIVE IT...IT HAS BEEN DONE SEVERAL TIMES

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Luongo07, on Oct 25 2007, 12:48 PM, said:

YOU CAN ASK HIM TO WAIVE IT...IT HAS BEEN DONE SEVERAL TIMES

I'm sure he'll jump at the opportunity to move his young family...after all, that's why he got it in the first place...so he could waive it

good show old boy!

[Luongo07]

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I'm sure he'll jump at the opportunity to move his young family...after all, that's why he got it in the first place...so he could waive it

good show old boy!

NOT EVEN WORTH ARGUING ANYMORE

IT HAS BEEN DONE SEVERAL TIMES ALL OVER THE LEAUGE

[SlimCanucksFan]

stapledtothebandwagon, on Oct 25 2007, 12:46 PM, said:

i think maybe instead of being worried about "knee jerk" reactions, you should maybe consider his NO TRADE CLAUSE

sigh...

A NTC can be waived, you know. NTCs is just a way to avoid other teams to constantly asking for that player, and it's also a way for the own team and player to have stability, knowing that he'd most likely to stick with the team for that duration of the time, but a NTC can be waived when the team feels that it's necessary to move the player in order to improve the team, or when the player wants to move on. A player who doesn't have a NTC can be traded any minute as soon as the GM agrees to a deal without the player's input, but a player who has a NTC requires an agreement to waive it before a trade can be made.

[Luongo07]

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A NTC can be waived, you know. NTCs is just a way to avoid other teams to constantly asking for that player, and it's also a way for the own team and player to have stability, knowing that he'd most likely to stick with the team for that duration of the time, but a NTC can be waived when the team feels that it's necessary to move the player in order to improve the team, or when the player wants to move on. A player who doesn't have a NTC can be traded any minute as soon as the GM agrees to a deal without the player's input, but a player who has a NTC requires an agreement to waive it before a trade can be made

Thanks Slim....

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SlimCanucksFan, on Oct 25 2007, 12:58 PM, said:

A NTC can be waived, you know. NTCs is just a way to avoid other teams to constantly asking for that player, and it's also a way for the own team and player to have stability, knowing that he'd most likely to stick with the team for that duration of the time, but a NTC can be waived when the team feels that it's necessary to move the player in order to improve the team, or when the player wants to move on. A player who doesn't have a NTC can be traded any minute as soon as the GM agrees to a deal without the player's input, but a player who has a NTC requires an agreement to waive it before a trade can be made.

i'm well aware that a no trade contract can be waived...i'm also well aware that it has been done...however not very often....usually when a player is miserable in a particular city or with his particular team....or, at the trade deadline when a player is sought after for a playoff run and would like a shot at a cup that he won't have with a cellar dwelling team

Do you honestly think that Naslund would agree to waiving it?....He loves this city, as does his family....things would have to be really bad for him to consider leaving....and no, i don't consider a tough 4 and 6 start to the year as really all that bad

the sky is, in fact, not falling

[Luongo07]

never said the sky was falling because of the 4 - 6 start, this has been building for 3 - 4 consecutive seasons


TAKE THE BLINDERS OFF MAN, THE CANUCKS ARE SIMPLY NOT VERY GOOD!!!

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[TheGhostOfPetePeeters]

Luongo07, on Oct 25 2007, 12:56 PM, said:

NOT EVEN WORTH ARGUING ANYMORE

IT HAS BEEN DONE SEVERAL TIMES ALL OVER THE LEAUGE

I dont see that happening but if the slim chance arose, you can bet it would be at the deadline to a serious contender only.


edit: in addition to the NTC, there's also the fact that he's a UFA at the end of the year, so that would scare most teams away.

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[Pavel1994]

Luongo07, on Oct 25 2007, 01:16 PM, said:

never said the sky was falling because of the 4 - 6 start, this has been building for 3 - 4 consecutive seasons
TAKE THE BLINDERS OFF MAN, THE CANUCKS ARE SIMPLY NOT VERY GOOD!!!

I don't agree, I still think this team is good. Right now we aren't playing that well. I say grade how good this team is once we turn it around.

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Luongo07, on Oct 25 2007, 01:16 PM, said:

never said the sky was falling because of the 4 - 6 start, this has been building for 3 - 4 consecutive seasons
TAKE THE BLINDERS OFF MAN, THE CANUCKS ARE SIMPLY NOT VERY GOOD!!!

We'll see....but i think i'll base my judgement on that after more than 10 games instead of panicking and saying trade this guy/fire that guy like half the posters on the CDC

[Luongo07]

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edit: in addition to the NTC, there's also the fact that he's a UFA at the end of the year, so that would scare most teams away

even more to the arguement that nonis has waited too long

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We'll see....but i think i'll base my judgement on that after more than 10 games instead of panicking and saying trade this guy/fire that guy like half the posters on the CDC

We will see, but how long must we wait? Until its too late again? I am sick of the acceptance of mediocracy.

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Luongo07, on Oct 25 2007, 01:35 PM, said:

even more to the arguement that nonis has waited too long
We will see, but how long must we wait? Until its too late again? I am sick of the acceptance of mediocracy.

certainly more than 10 games into a season where far too many regulars were injured in the preseason to give this team a chance to gel....give them another 10 games and see where they're at....20 games gives a good look at the team with still enough time to make changes if need be

to be honest, this team should make the playoffs this year and be much like last year, a possible cinderella team....do i put them at the elite level?....no way, that would be unrealistic....i think they are a solid team with a great goalie and a very deep D that just isn't playing up to their own level right now....give them a chance to turn it around, it's very early

[Luongo07]

Blinders man Blinders...don't think that what you saw last year will happen again

[BedBeats™]

Whatever...its still early....and when Nazzy did pot some points people were happy.

Its not just Nazzy now, thats accountable......the Twins havent looked very dangerous recently.

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Luongo07, on Oct 25 2007, 01:58 PM, said:

Blinders man Blinders...don't think that what you saw last year will happen again

did you even read my post?....read man read

[BC Ferries]

Naslunds 6 million dollar salary is a leetch on the team. Anyone who argues that is stoopid. If he was making 3.5-4 I'd be quite happy with him.

[tomdavie]

stapledtothebandwagon, on Oct 25 2007, 04:41 PM, said:

certainly more than 10 games into a season where far too many regulars were injured in the preseason to give this team a chance to gel....give them another 10 games and see where they're at....20 games gives a good look at the team with still enough time to make changes if need be

to be honest, this team should make the playoffs this year and be much like last year, a possible cinderella team....do i put them at the elite level?....no way, that would be unrealistic....i think they are a solid team with a great goalie and a very deep D that just isn't playing up to their own level right now....give them a chance to turn it around, it's very early

I think what the guy means is that we arent that GOOD. Period.

The problem is the EXPECTATIONS we have for the team.

Sure they are better than 4 -6. Sure Salo coming back will add a slight edge.

Salo is no Scott Niedameyer though. He isnt going to revolutionize the team.

Sedins are the Sedins. Luongo is Luongo.

The teams sucess comes down to the Naslund line. They MUST produce on a regular basis to take the pressure off Luongo and the Sedins.

Otherwize teams check the Sedins into the ground, and sooner or later get to Luongo.

We need more scoring.

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getthatcornouttamyface, on Oct 25 2007, 02:05 PM, said:

Naslunds 6 million dollar salary is a leetch on the team. Anyone who argues that is stoopid. If he was making 3.5-4 I'd be quite happy with him.

did you see anyone argue that in this thread?

Me neither