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#1 nitronuts

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Posted 07 September 2008 - 10:33 PM

We've had a ton of transit topics over the years....lets make this the official one.


Some possible visions of Vancouver's transit network in 30-40 years:
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Posted 07 September 2008 - 11:00 PM

care to explain what the LRT is?
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Posted 07 September 2008 - 11:01 PM

care to explain what the LRT is?

Light Rapid Transit.
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Posted 07 September 2008 - 11:03 PM

Light Rapid Transit.


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Posted 07 September 2008 - 11:07 PM

Like this???
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Pretty much.
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Posted 07 September 2008 - 11:09 PM

Pretty much.


Very good, it would be great for people with no cars, but it sure would mess with traffic

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Posted 07 September 2008 - 11:09 PM

care to explain what the LRT is?


Light rail or light rail transit (LRT) is a form of urban rail public transportation that generally has a lower capacity and lower speed than heavy rail and metro systems. The term is used to refer to modern streetcar/tram systems with rapid transit-style features that usually use electric rail cars operating mostly in private rights-of-way separated from other traffic but sometimes, if necessary, mixed with other traffic in city streets. Given the mixed-traffic nature of light rail, whether it is a true rapid transit system depends on its implementation.

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Posted 07 September 2008 - 11:14 PM

Light rail or light rail transit (LRT) is a form of urban rail public transportation that generally has a lower capacity and lower speed than heavy rail and metro systems. The term is used to refer to modern streetcar/tram systems with rapid transit-style features that usually use electric rail cars operating mostly in private rights-of-way separated from other traffic but sometimes, if necessary, mixed with other traffic in city streets. Given the mixed-traffic nature of light rail, whether it is a true rapid transit system depends on its implementation.

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Isn't the last one in Hungary? If it is, its more of a train going from Budapest and Esztergom

Plus I love the one in Strabourg and Nice, there the best ones, hands down, great system as well

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Posted 07 September 2008 - 11:16 PM

Isn't the last one in Hungary? If it is, its more of a train going from Budapest and Esztergom

Plus I love the one in Strabourg and Nice, there the best ones, hands down, great system as well

The last one was the Ottawa Transit O-Train.
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Posted 07 September 2008 - 11:17 PM

The last one was the Ottawa Transit O-Train.


Oh :lol: they look so similar
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Posted 07 September 2008 - 11:21 PM

Very good, it would be great for people with no cars, but it sure would mess with traffic


It'll be a step down from SkyTrain but a step up from the articulated trolleys...in other words, an articulated trolley on steroids.

LRT works well in corridors that don't have the demand for high-capacity rapid transit rail systems, like SkyTrain or subways, but are rather more suitable for more lower-capacity rapid transit rail systems like LRT. And it certainly is a good alternative (as they are cheaper to build) for corridors like 41st Avenue, Hastings, Victoria Drive, Arbutus corridor, etc.

Often, entire traffic lanes are given to the LRT/streetcar for its own right of way....and the trains are given traffic signal priority at intersections to lower the travel time.

In Calgary, they are notorious for car crash accidents....but of course, it happens on every LRT system:

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Posted 07 September 2008 - 11:26 PM

Oh :lol: they look so similar


LOL, that's because they're the same...those are Bombardier Talent trains, which Deutsche Bahn of Germany had bought a bulk load of them and Ottawa bought three seldomly used trains from the Germans.
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Posted 07 September 2008 - 11:33 PM

It'll be a step down from SkyTrain but a step up from the articulated trolleys...in other words, an articulated trolley on steroids.

LRT works well in corridors that don't have the demand for high-capacity rapid transit rail systems, like SkyTrain or subways, but are rather more suitable for more lower-capacity rapid transit rail systems like LRT. And it certainly is a good alternative (as they are cheaper to build) for corridors like 41st Avenue, Hastings, Victoria Drive, Arbutus corridor, etc.

Often, entire traffic lanes are given to the LRT/streetcar for its own right of way....and the trains are given traffic signal priority at intersections to lower the travel time.

In Calgary, they are notorious for car crash accidents....but of course, it happens on every LRT system:



THATS WHY YOU CHECK YOUR BLINDSPOTS LOL
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Posted 07 September 2008 - 11:34 PM

Prepare to hear a lot of whining from me about the 491 and 496 routes.
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Posted 07 September 2008 - 11:36 PM

But seriously i have said this so many times. The Government should just take the next 20 years and pump loads and loads of cash and build us a high class rapid transit system. And not just 1 line at a time, like 2 lines at a time. Get those 2040 plans done by 2030
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Posted 07 September 2008 - 11:38 PM

THATS WHY YOU CHECK YOUR BLINDSPOTS LOL


I was about to say that :P I recall that in Nice the LRT's there were kind of blocked off from cars, also it would be better having them on one side of the road not in the middle, also good news, heard on the radio that there will be new seabuses

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Posted 07 September 2008 - 11:41 PM

But seriously i have said this so many times. The Government should just take the next 20 years and pump loads and loads of cash and build us a high class rapid transit system. And not just 1 line at a time, like 2 lines at a time. Get those 2040 plans done by 2030


But that IS what your government is planning to do, not necessarily 2040 but with a $12-billion Transit Plan 2020 for the Lower Mainland:



SkyTrain extensions and the introduction of Rapid Bus (even better than the B-Line):
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This $12 billion plan calls for:

- $8.3 billion investment in four new rapid transit lines in Metro Vancouver—the Evergreen Line, the UBC Line, the upgraded and extended Expo Line
- $1 billion for the purchase of 300 additional Mark II SkyTrain cars
- $1.2 billion for a new, cutting edge energy efficient, high capacity RapidBus BC service along nine major routes in Metro Vancouver
- $1.6 billion investment in 1,500 new, clean energy buses and related maintenance infrastructure to provide communities around the province with improved bus service
- increased security measures to enhance transit safety and use, fare gates, and the introduction of a smart card system



The Evergreen Line would be built by 2014, Millennium Line extension to UBC by 2020....as well, Expo Line additional capacity, station renovations, longer platforms, and a Expo SkyTrain 6-km extension in Surrey to Guildford by 2020 and another extension to Newton by 2030.

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Posted 07 September 2008 - 11:45 PM

Prepare to hear a lot of whining from me about the 491 and 496 routes.


The bottom map has a RAV extension going along 1rd, east on granville, and up towards brighouse.

That, of course, is going to kick donkey for commuters like me RIGHT NOW. Unfortunately, I will soon be weaned off the upass, and will be driving from point A to point B.
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Posted 07 September 2008 - 11:46 PM

The bottom map has a RAV extension going along 1rd, east on granville, and up towards brighouse.

That, of course, is going to kick donkey for commuters like me RIGHT NOW. Unfortunately, I will soon be weaned off the upass, and will be driving from point A to point B.


But that's the thing -- I don't actually see that HAPPENING. Otherwise, I'd love it too.
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Posted 07 September 2008 - 11:46 PM

But that IS what your government is planning to do, not necessarily 2040 but with a $12-billion Transit Plan 2020 for the Lower Mainland:


What about after that

And what does conceptual alignment mean?

And can you post about the new buses/skytrain cars like you do in those other posts with lots of pictures and detailed explanation :D YOu are so good at that

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Posted 07 September 2008 - 11:50 PM

The Lower mainland needs to get rid of some of the two lane roads and put in public transit only roads. Make it so public transit is the only efficient way to get around. Then they need to make all trucking become a nightshift with in the boundaries of the city. Unless there are emergencies. But those emergencies will need to be validated by someone working an emergency hub and forms need to be filled in triplicate Then double stamped at two different locations.
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Posted 07 September 2008 - 11:51 PM

What about after that

And what does conceptual alignment mean?

And can you post about the new buses/skytrain cars like you do in those other posts with lots of pictures and detailed explanation :D YOu are so good at that


Translink is currently working on a 2040 plan, it hasn't thought that far ahead yet...

Conceptual alignment just means that the train route will be in that corridor shown in the map (the precise route has yet to be decided....for example, for the UBC extension it'll either be along Broadway or one block south along 10th Avenue where it will be much less disruptive to build. The 10th Avenue plan would still have the station entrances located on Broadway).


As for the last bit, not today. :P
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Posted 07 September 2008 - 11:54 PM

But that's the thing -- I don't actually see that HAPPENING. Otherwise, I'd love it too.


A Canada Line extension to Steveston is 30-years away.....nobody saw the Expo Line being extended so far into Surrey either when they built it in 1986.

But such an extension to Steveston would require a huge beefing up of the Canada Line's capacity....i.e. much longer station platforms.
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Posted 07 September 2008 - 11:58 PM

A Canada Line extension to Steveston is 30-years away.....nobody saw the Expo Line being extended so far into Surrey either when they built it in 1986.

But such an extension to Steveston would require a huge beefing up of the Canada Line's capacity....i.e. much longer station platforms.


If so, then there'd finally be a use for the huge former railroad track area along Railway, which would be nice to see.

But seeing how TransLink has neglected the No. 1 Road and Railway corridors over the years doesn't give me much optimism.

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Posted 07 September 2008 - 11:59 PM

Translink is currently working on a 2040 plan, it hasn't thought that far ahead yet...

Conceptual alignment just means that the train route will be in that corridor shown in the map (the precise route has yet to be decided....for example, for the UBC extension it'll either be along Broadway or one block south along 10th Avenue where it will be much less disruptive to build. The 10th Avenue plan would still have the station entrances located on Broadway).


As for the last bit, not today. :P


Cna you explain about the new rapid buses and new buses and trains tho?
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Posted 08 September 2008 - 12:41 AM

The Lower mainland needs to get rid of some of the two lane roads and put in public transit only roads. Make it so public transit is the only efficient way to get around. Then they need to make all trucking become a nightshift with in the boundaries of the city. Unless there are emergencies. But those emergencies will need to be validated by someone working an emergency hub and forms need to be filled in triplicate Then double stamped at two different locations.


That would be a terrible idea.....every city needs road capacity, not that we should build more in Vancouver but we should maintain what we have now.


A better idea would be to raise the gas tax, introduce a per-km driven car insurance plan system, and introduce electronic tolls at all the major crossings in the region between 6am to 7pm:

CAR - $2.50; CARGO TRUCK - $5.00; COMMERCIAL VEHICLE/COACH BUS - $5.00
- Arthur Laing Bridge
- Oak Street Bridge
- Knight Street Bridge
- Alex Fraser Bridge
- Golden Ears Bridge
- Ironworkers Memorial Second Narrows Crossing
- Lions Gate Bridge
- Pattullo Bridge
- Pitt River Bridge
- Port Mann Bridge
- Queensborough Bridge
- George Massey Tunnel
- Sea-to-Sky Highway at Eaglebluffs Ridge



Tolling would be done electronically, where cameras would scan your license plate as your car zooms past the electronic tolling station without stopping.
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A bill is sent to the vehicle owner at the end of each month. The bill must be paid before the end of the next month. The vehicle owner is responsible for the payment of the tax, even if the bill does not arrive.


In Europe, this is more commonly called a congestion tax and has done wonders to...reducing congestion. People are thinking twice about bringing out their cars onto the road, and are instead taking transit. When congestion taxes were introduced in London and Stockholm, car traffic on roads went down by 25-30% and transit use shot up by 20+%.

As well, the revenue generated from tolls could go towards building and operating transit services. Such a plan would require a huge beefing up and expansion of the Lower Mainland's transit system to cope with the explosion in demand. It could easily give Translink an additional $200-250-million to spend each year.
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Posted 08 September 2008 - 12:56 AM

Cna you explain about the new rapid buses and new buses and trains tho?


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- large bus shelters that look like light rail stations, all door boarding, electronic displays, maps, ticket machines
- high level station platforms for high level buses
- bus only, grade-separated (or at-grade exclusive) right-of-way
- high frequency
- traffic signal priority
- high level floor articulated buses
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Posted 08 September 2008 - 07:42 PM

Do these things have their own lanes?
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Posted 08 September 2008 - 07:48 PM

Rapid Bus
- large bus shelters that look like light rail stations, all door boarding, electronic displays, maps, ticket machines
- high level station platforms for high level buses
- bus only, grade-separated (or at-grade exclusive) right-of-way
- high frequency
- traffic signal priority
- high level floor articulated buses
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Oh I like those

Do these things have their own lanes?


Of course or else these things wouldn't have high frequency and nor would they be fast and on time
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Posted 08 September 2008 - 07:50 PM

Do these things have their own lanes?


Yes and no....you can do whatever you want. It's not like it's a rigid form of transit, like SkyTrain where you must have a grade separated rail track.
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