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#31 Common sense

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Posted 08 September 2008 - 09:21 PM

That would be a terrible idea.....every city needs road capacity, not that we should build more in Vancouver but we should maintain what we have now.


A better idea would be to raise the gas tax, introduce a per-km driven car insurance plan system, and introduce electronic tolls at all the major crossings in the region between 6am to 7pm:

CAR - $2.50; CARGO TRUCK - $5.00; COMMERCIAL VEHICLE/COACH BUS - $5.00
- Arthur Laing Bridge
- Oak Street Bridge
- Knight Street Bridge

- Alex Fraser Bridge
- Golden Ears Bridge
- Ironworkers Memorial Second Narrows Crossing
- Lions Gate Bridge
- Pattullo Bridge
- Pitt River Bridge
- Port Mann Bridge
- Queensborough Bridge
- George Massey Tunnel
- Sea-to-Sky Highway at Eaglebluffs Ridge



Tolling would be done electronically, where cameras would scan your license plate as your car zooms past the electronic tolling station without stopping.


I like how you've effectively cut off Richmond from any other suburbs around it.

Now let's all take a step backwards and go back to the feudal system.
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Posted 08 September 2008 - 09:24 PM

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Posted 08 September 2008 - 09:27 PM

^ how did i cut it off? it's not like i suggested to blow up the bridges leading into Richmond.

The bridges act as a perfect place to set tolls. The whole point of this is to get a lot more people throughout the region out of their cars and into transit, which will see great expansion in the suburbs.

Edited by nitronuts, 08 September 2008 - 09:28 PM.

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Posted 08 September 2008 - 09:41 PM

Prepare to hear a lot of whining from me about the 491 and 496 routes.

Prepare to hear a lot of whining from me about the 496 routes in the afternoon! (around 3-4pm)

Most of the time 98 B line buses are full!!! Min. (2X)
496 is quite full. We don't get a seat even we can get in!!!
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Posted 08 September 2008 - 09:50 PM

The problem with the toll bridges, is soon people are going to be b*tching about how it cost to much and then were going to have to hear it, I personally have no problem with the whole toll bridge thing, but I'm pretty sure 85% of those bridge users will

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Posted 08 September 2008 - 09:58 PM

The problem with the toll bridges, is soon people are going to be b*tching about how it cost to much and then were going to have to hear it, I personally have no problem with the whole toll bridge thing, but I'm pretty sure 85% of those bridge users will


Of course they'll female dog, in fact it could cause the government that introduced it to lose the next election. But it's a proven and effective way to lowering traffic, congestion, pollution, and increasing transit use....and all at a same time, a healthier lifestyle with people walking and taking transit.

Don't count anyone in this province to have the balls to do that.

Edited by nitronuts, 08 September 2008 - 09:58 PM.

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Posted 08 September 2008 - 10:00 PM

Of course they'll female dog, in fact it could cause the government that introduced it to lose the next election. But it's a proven and effective way to lowering traffic, congestion, pollution, and increasing transit use....and all at a same time, a healthier lifestyle with people walking and taking transit.

Don't count anyone in this province to have the balls to do that.


Haha the last thing you stated is absolutely true, we British Colombians are strange creatures
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Posted 08 September 2008 - 10:10 PM

Well, either way Translink needs to find more revenue streams or it'll see massive deficits starting in four years.

By 2012, just four years away, TransLink is expecting a budgetary shortfall of $150 million. Add to that the cost of financing $2.75 billion in new buses, new SkyTrain lines, and new infrastructure over a decade -- about $250 million to $300 million a year. Total annual shortfall: $450 million.

Here's the tough choices we have to make: cut service (difficult when there's such a high demand for transit but such a low supply), or forget about all the new trains and buses (difficult for the same reason), or go looking for dollars.

Those would have to come from road tolls, fare hikes, property tax hikes, or a levy on car owners (tried but abandoned by the NDP government in 2000).


In my opinion, we need road tolls and a car levy to get that money we need. As well, the province needs to subsidize Translink's operations. Like how the province subsidizes BC Ferries every year, it should do the same for Translink....give the company $100-million a year.

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Posted 08 September 2008 - 10:18 PM

Well, either way Translink needs to find more revenue streams or it'll see massive deficits starting in four years.

By 2012, just four years away, TransLink is expecting a budgetary shortfall of $150 million. Add to that the cost of financing $2.75 billion in new buses, new SkyTrain lines, and new infrastructure over a decade -- about $250 million to $300 million a year. Total annual shortfall: $450 million.

Here's the tough choices we have to make: cut service (difficult when there's such a high demand for transit but such a low supply), or forget about all the new trains and buses (difficult for the same reason), or go looking for dollars.

Those would have to come from road tolls, fare hikes, property tax hikes, or a levy on car owners (tried but abandoned by the NDP government in 2000).


In my opinion, we need road tolls and a car levy to get that money we need. As well, the province needs to subsidize Translink's operations. Like how the province subsidizes BC Ferries every year, it should do the same for Translink....give the company $100-million a year.


You should be an adviser, cause clearly translink/government aren't getting it through there head fast enough, they should start all that today, shouldn't they?
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Posted 08 September 2008 - 10:27 PM

You should be an adviser, cause clearly translink/government aren't getting it through there head fast enough, they should start all that today, shouldn't they?


The problem is that the people in charge of Translink and who do all the planning don't ride transit themselves. They're also bogged down on doing countless and time consuming studies, taking years and years.

As well, there's a lot of politics involved within Translink and that's dictated by the Ministry of Transportation. Under the new Translink, whatever the transportation authority does is linked back to the provincial government and thus could hurt them in the polls.

A year ago, you'd have local politicians squabbling for months or even years over decisions.....this was when local city counsellors and mayors formed the Translink board of directors. You may remember that it took them three votes (first two were NO outcomes) and an entire year to approve the Canada Line. And what's even more outrageous is that every three years, there's a new Translink board and all the ideas and plans are flushed away and they have to start from anew.

And then you have the provincial government forcing the Canada Line project to become a private-public project, without thinking twice that with such limited public funding and so much financial and design responsibility given to the private sector they would cut on the Canada Line's scope and design. And which they did. 40-metre platforms, half the length of SkyTrain's stations.


If you ask me, transportation and urban planning needs more autonomy from the political process. It needs to be run by professionals, and that's what we have with the new Translink board of directors.

Edited by nitronuts, 08 September 2008 - 10:29 PM.

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Posted 08 September 2008 - 10:41 PM

Phone your local candidates for MP. Find their position on federal funding of transit. Repeat for all plausible parties. Vote for best party accordingly.
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Posted 08 September 2008 - 10:46 PM

Phone your local candidates for MP. Find their position on federal funding of transit. Repeat for all plausible parties. Vote for best party accordingly.


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Posted 08 September 2008 - 10:50 PM

Nice sig, poor old bill got rejected

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Posted 09 September 2008 - 12:42 AM

nitronuts, both BuckyHermit and I are unable to take 98 b line , 496/491 because all of them are full during the afternoon rush hours.

It has been a few years already.

I agreed what aerodynamicanuck said.

"You should be an adviser" and bring our opinion to the Translink!!!
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Posted 09 September 2008 - 09:07 AM

Prepare to hear a lot of whining from me about the 496 routes in the afternoon! (around 3-4pm)

Most of the time 98 B line buses are full!!! Min. (2X)
496 is quite full. We don't get a seat even we can get in!!!


Your prestige/social status on the 491 and 491 is determined by whether you get a seat or not. 5pm is the worst, but not 3pm-4pm is starting to challenge 5pm for the "worst commute" title. I rode the 491 from 5th Avenue yesterday, and the culprit for 3pm-4pm seems to be Granville @ King Edward... Tons of private school kids getting on from there. Even worse than any crunch at 41st.
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Posted 09 September 2008 - 09:40 AM

THATS WHY YOU CHECK YOUR BLINDSPOTS LOL


I love the ones where the train drags the car for a distance. Gives the driver long enough to see WTF just happened.
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Posted 09 September 2008 - 09:48 AM

^ how did i cut it off? it's not like i suggested to blow up the bridges leading into Richmond.

The bridges act as a perfect place to set tolls. The whole point of this is to get a lot more people throughout the region out of their cars and into transit, which will see great expansion in the suburbs.


I agree provided the alternate service is in place BEFORE tolls come in.

This carbon tax was so assbackwards. Don't tax me until I have a viable alternative. Then if I choose to still drive, by all means tax me. But at this time I don't feel that I do have a viable alternative.

How ever I was quite encouraged when I saw a Canada Line train roll into the Lansdowne Station last week doing some testing.
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Posted 09 September 2008 - 10:21 AM

When the Canada Line starts service, a lot of the Richmond and south of Fraser routes will reconfigured to terminate at one of the Richmond stations....either Brighouse or Bridgeport.

The frequencies within the Richmond segment are abysmal:


Early Morning
- Waterfront to Bridgeport: 6 minutes
- Bridgeport to YVR: 12 minutes
- Bridgeport to Richmond Centre: 12 minutes

Morning Peak Period
- Waterfront to Bridgeport: 3 mins 45 secs
- Bridgeport to YVR: 7 mins 30 secs
- Bridgeport to Richmond Centre: 7 mins 30 secs

Mid-Day
- Waterfront to Bridgeport: 3 mins 45 secs
- Bridgeport to YVR: 7 mins 30 secs
- Bridgeport to Richmond Centre: 7 mins 30 secs

Afternoon Peak Period
- Waterfront to Bridgeport: 3 mins 45 secs
- Bridgeport to YVR: 7 mins 30 secs
- Bridgeport to Richmond Centre: 7 mins 30 secs

Evening
- Waterfront to Bridgeport: 6 minutes
- Bridgeport to YVR: 12 minutes
- Bridgeport to Richmond Centre: 12 minutes

Late Night
- Waterfront to Bridgeport: 10 minutes
- Bridgeport to YVR: 20 minutes
- Bridgeport to Richmond Centre: 20 minutes




Just to note, each Canada Line train is equivalent to the capacity of three B-Line buses.
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Posted 09 September 2008 - 12:13 PM

Winnipeg is making transit tunnels.. however that works..
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Posted 09 September 2008 - 01:44 PM

The Lower mainland needs to get rid of some of the two lane roads and put in public transit only roads. Make it so public transit is the only efficient way to get around. Then they need to make all trucking become a nightshift with in the boundaries of the city. Unless there are emergencies. But those emergencies will need to be validated by someone working an emergency hub and forms need to be filled in triplicate Then double stamped at two different locations.


I hope you have a couple of months at the very least of straight nightshift before you go and insist that other people do that.
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Posted 09 September 2008 - 01:46 PM

The 98b has been rerouted in case anyone wants to know.

http://www.translink...ERT09080802.asp
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Posted 09 September 2008 - 02:24 PM

Using the first picture as a guide....

Burrard line should should just be a continuation of your light rail line. It's probably the only place I could see light rail as a good idea btw, all other light rails could simply be rapid bus in dedicated lanes, they take the same amount of space. Start negotiating with the railroad now, you might have your right of way by 2030 if your lucky though.

If your tolling the crossings it's cruel and unusual to no extend RAV down to Landner.

All of your rail crossings at the existing crapoloa bridge hinge on getting that bridge fixed (2 billion dollars) although that would be a nice way to open negotiations for a commuter rail service, and should be happening anyways.

If your fixing the rail bridge might as well have speed rail service to Seattle.

You need a rapid bus to jump the gap in Richmond somewhere between the RAV line and 22nd street. They should have that in place for when RAV opens.

Expo line should extend to Langley, with a giant park and ride structure at the mall or wherever your terminus is.

The fraser valley express should extend at very least to abbottsford, if not chilliwack.

You should have a ladner south delta cloverdale langley regional commuter express bus.

The millenium line will take the north route. It should extend into maple ridge.

An express bus should run from the ends of these two transit lines over the bridge.

Rav line should curl around and go to the west end, and potentially through stanley park to the north shore.

Roads:

Build gateway.

Turn 12th and 16th into alternating one way streets, extend 16th as needed to connect directly to the on off ramps of the freeway.

Ditto Granville and Oak, with appropriate ramps and bridges to connect directly with no lane loss to 99.

Build the wayburne overpass, and connect wayburne with nelson to make a north south street in burnaby, and make that your bus route, or a bus route.

Marine drive should be a 80km/h expressway all the way to UBC.

Build a freeway connection between 99 and hwy 10 as a dedicated few to no offramp truck route (I can't remember the name of that road, but you would basically follow that one, it's an old road south of hwy 10.

Make the lions gate bridge five lanes wide, ditto with the causeway.

South Fraser Screen line program....

If your want your congestion pricing, might as well give them something....

Make the screen line the south of fraser for your tolls, and the north shore if that make you happy. (North shore will buy in if gateway and the lions gate actually flowed traffic.)

Golden ears already in.

Port mann on the way.

Three lanes each way on Putello along with rail brige.

Make the freeking aurthur lane freeway a freeway, i.e. no stinking lights.

Put in another tunnel so you you have four lanes in the happy direction and two the other way at the very least.
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Posted 09 September 2008 - 02:46 PM

The 98b has been rerouted in case anyone wants to know.

http://www.translink...ERT09080802.asp


This will be good for us lucky park and ride saps who don't have to wait for the 480...
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Posted 09 September 2008 - 04:02 PM

I was on the 98 today, this late-20s looking guy reeking of marijuana walked in and sat next to me. He started yelling things out, like "is it safe in here?" or "is Al Qaeda in here?".....then he started unbuckling his belt and opened his zipper, at that point i got up and walked to the front of the bus. He got off at the next stop.
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Posted 09 September 2008 - 04:03 PM

This will be good for us lucky park and ride saps who don't have to wait for the 480...


It's only being re-routed for Canada Line construction.....in which the 98 will be terminated once the Canada Line goes online.
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Posted 09 September 2008 - 04:08 PM

It's only being re-routed for Canada Line construction.....in which the 98 will be terminated once the Canada Line goes online.


I believe this was already posted once, but can't remember the answer...

Once the 98 is shut down, will there be community shuttles operating on #3 Rd between Canada Line stops?
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Posted 09 September 2008 - 04:11 PM

Dear Translink,

My bus passed by my stop when I was a block away. No sweat, I thought, there'll be another in 5 minutes. Halfway down the remaining block, a second bus passed my stop. Oh dear, I thought, this cannot end well. I proceeded to wait 12 minutes (there should be two buses that come by in that time) at the stop before a very full bus showed up. Oh well, I thought, at least it's here. I boarded the bus, and as it left the stop, I saw that another bus caught up to us.

Please figure out a way to space the buses properly.

Thanks,

Concerned Noodle
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Posted 09 September 2008 - 04:12 PM

I believe this was already posted once, but can't remember the answer...

Once the 98 is shut down, will there be community shuttles operating on #3 Rd between Canada Line stops?



Also, what kind of transit will there be from Richmond Center south to Steveston highway?
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Posted 09 September 2008 - 04:19 PM

I believe this was already posted once, but can't remember the answer...

Once the 98 is shut down, will there be community shuttles operating on #3 Rd between Canada Line stops?


I'm pretty sure there will be some sort of bus service along No.3 Road.
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Posted 09 September 2008 - 04:23 PM

Dear Translink,

My bus passed by my stop when I was a block away. No sweat, I thought, there'll be another in 5 minutes. Halfway down the remaining block, a second bus passed my stop. Oh dear, I thought, this cannot end well. I proceeded to wait 12 minutes (there should be two buses that come by in that time) at the stop before a very full bus showed up. Oh well, I thought, at least it's here. I boarded the bus, and as it left the stop, I saw that another bus caught up to us.

Please figure out a way to space the buses properly.

Thanks,

Concerned Noodle


Translink is still in the process of installing GPS systems into all of their buses, which will allow Translink to know where all of their buses are at all times and which will also allow their drivers to know whether or not the bus is ahead of schedule or is late. There's a button for drivers to press if they have to pass stops because the bus is full.

Really though, so many factors can affect the schedule of a bus....e.g. someone in a wheelchair needs to get on/off.
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