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None of them park themselves in front of the net and take the constant cross checks and whacks that he does. He's mastered it and can hang in there despite it all. Dorsett - maybe. You are only seeing what you want to see and a lot of it happens away from the play. Go take in a game or two to get the full story.

Sorry for digressing a bit, but Deb's point about taking in a game is imo a really important one and is something I've been thinking about lately when reading some of the posts on here.

When watching in person, most people will have a tendency to follow the puck. Things like who that is standing in front of the net, who is staying in his defensive lane (zone) or marking his man (man to man-to use basketball-like terms) and such are noticeable but noticing on a consistent basis takes wanting to watch out for those things and some effort. For most people it is far more enjoyable and easier to spend most of the time watching what his happening in the immediate area of the puck.

On tv it is much worse. Players are tougher to recognize, the camera almost always follows the puck and the announcers give the names of those that touch the puck.

Accordingly, it gets really hard for most of us to watch a game and really know at the end of it who has consistently done the right things defensively and who has made what contributions offensively away from the puck.

Gifted offensive players can look great in such circumstances, as they'll be around the puck in the offensive zone and usually look good when they have it.

Good, consistent defensive players with average or mediocre offensive skills can look pretty poor. They only get the puck a relatively few times and sometimes aren't slick with it when they get it.

To get back to the point of this thread, I agree that if what the Canucks need to add on the pp is a net presence, Burrows is a good candidate. He doesn't have ideal size for that role, but he's shown himself willing to take the punishment in front of the net.

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Ability to take abuse in front of the net is not unique to Alex Burrows.

OK Einstein, please name one Canuck player, over the last....6 years say, that has been more consistent in playing that thankless brutal role than Burrows.

Yo this guy is a beauty- literally the only guy on the team we can count on to park himself in front of the net and take the brunt of the punishment. A hero in my books

Exactly

You can argue that the Canucks need a couple MORE players to play this way coughKassiancough, but that doesn't change what he has done himself.

Alex Burrows has been one of the most influential in this team being at the top half of league standings in wins (other than the injury plagued year). The main reason is his flexibility in roles. And being good at all of them. And never complaining where he's put. Scorer, pest, energy, PK. Whether he has scored goals, or just caused enough mayhem in front of the net to allow others to score, or drawn penalties, or thrown better opponents off their game...if we had not ever acquired AB, no way would the Canucks ever had the kind of success we had in the AV years. And even today only Vrbata has more goals as we speak, he's tied for second place with Hansen for goals @ 9 at the moment. That's not playing with the Sedins, and thrown up and down the lineup. He was the top scorer on the team in the shortened season before his last injured one. So you add the goals he gets...plus the goals he helps facilitate plus the ones he prevents on the PK...he's worth the 4.5.

I don't get why some "fans" even debate his worth. One time, years ago, he yanked Keith's hair in a fight, and one time he closed his mouth down on a glove shoved into his mouth (Don Cherry even understood that one), and the Eastern media rants about him and that's enough to brainwash even some in Vancouver that he's some kind of rat...no matter how many timely goals, with or without the Sedins he gets or helps get. One of the smartest players on ice we've had.

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Ability to take abuse in front of the net is not unique to Alex Burrows.

But to take abuse and score goals off tip ins and rebounds on a consistent basis is unique amongst all our players. Burr is playing great right now - offensively and defensively.

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OK Einstein, please name one Canuck player, over the last....6 years say, that has been more consistent in playing that thankless brutal role than Burrows.

He hasn't played that role on the PP until recently (last half a dozen games). Even during his most successful years, he saw limited PP time. I will give him some credit, he is playing better lately.

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his point production is not bad 17 in 31, and as for the cap hit, just be glad we dont have clarkson(you have to really wonder how). There are some players around 4.5 million that have bad point production and there are some players that have 0.70 ppg or more. There are significantly more in the former catagory. Even I, a Burrows hater, am starting to see his worth to the Canucks. A team player to say the least.

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his point production is not bad 17 in 31, and as for the cap hit, just be glad we dont have clarkson(you have to really wonder how). There are some players around 4.5 million that have bad point production and there are some players that have 0.70 ppg or more. There are significantly more in the former catagory. Even I, a Burrows hater, am starting to see his worth to the Canucks. A team player to say the least.

Yeah, Burrows is scoring at a 24 goal / 82 game pace, only a few goals off his average in his prime, when he was playing with the Sedins.

He is also among Bonino, Kassian, Richardson and Higgins as the forwards with the lowest offensive zone starts on the team, he's in behind Bonino and Higgins in facing the strongest quality of competition among forwards, and as usual, he has some of the best underlying puck possession numbers on the team.

So he's moving from the 2nd to 4th line, scoring at a 45 pt / 82 pace or 2.16pp60 (second line production), and is his usual, effective, puck hound self while going about his game in his hard working, positive, no questions asked manner.

Worth his cap hit for sure if one wants to look at it in a purely objective way, forgetting the other things he brings, like being a key penalty killer and all around Swiss Army knife of a forward.

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He hasn't played that role on the PP until recently (last half a dozen games). Even during his most successful years, he saw limited PP time. I will give him some credit, he is playing better lately.

Did I say only PP? No. Forgetting the Torts year where he was injured and well..Torts, He played with the Sedins 5 on 5, but not the PP. For WD, its the opposite. But his role was and is the same in front of the net no matter what. During his Sedin line days, he'd crash in first, do all the work of digging the puck out of the corners and get the puck to a Sedin, then go to the net and stand there getting crosschecked and slashed while Hank and Daniel played dipsy doodle until a shooting lane came up.

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