blood brothers Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 If the third line, hopefully consisting of Kesler, Burrows and Hansen can agitate, hit, forecheck hard, create chances, put up some decent numbers, plus all three guys have great wheels, then why do we even need burrows to fight? Hordichuk can scrap, Brown can scrap, Davidson isnt afraid to drop em. Overall team toughness has gone up considerably over last season. To say the guy is a joke because he cant fight is ridiculous then someone should tell him that . cuz everytime he does fight he loses .. badly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post blood brothers Posted October 3, 2008 Popular Post Share Posted October 3, 2008 Jeez. If that's the case, we might as well get rid of half of our team. You've only listed one debateable reason as to why we should dump him. Would you care to add more? (besides the fact that he's French-Canadian) I stated my reasons . I just dont think that hard work is enough in this league. you have to be good at something .... he is not. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 27Snepsts Posted October 3, 2008 Popular Post Share Posted October 3, 2008 (edited) then someone should tell him that . cuz everytime he does fight he loses .. badly at least he goes for it. Id rather see my guy stick up for a teammate and lose the fight then pull a typical swede move and kinda ignore it/hold a guys sweater. ie. Last season sticking up for Mitchell after Rolston ran him into the boards. Too many times last season our guys were pushed around and noone on our team responded to cheap shots against teammates. Dont expect that this season, well unless Ohlund and/or Krajicek are on the ice. Edited October 3, 2008 by 27Snepsts 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snipes2539 Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 Letting him go just via waivers or FA would be kinda stupid, but if someone wanted a trade for him, like a 2nd rounder or a more offensive prospect i'd take it. Yes he has a lot of heart and good on the PK..but we have quite a few up and comming players who can do that as well, it's not like he brings something unique to the table. I mean really, does he have the potential to get a lot better? Doubtful, probably more beneficial to the team to trade him sooner while his stock is still high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Langdon Algur Posted October 3, 2008 Popular Post Share Posted October 3, 2008 wow I didn't read the other posts but I imagine you got flamed pretty good for this post and for once I think flaming on here was justified Burrows is the kind of guy every teams wants he gets underplayers skin, can get points (31 last season), is amazing on the PK (and no not anyone can do that, that's why defensive forwards exist in the NHL) and has a low salary Burrows actually got the most points per $ earned among all canuck players-- not a bad stat in the cap era http://list.canadianbusiness.com/rankings/...sp2=1&eh=ch 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snipes2539 Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 Burrows is the kind of guy every teams wants Which is why it's a good time to cash in on his worth now rather than wait. I think this kid is really great at what he focuses in (defensive forward, agitator etc..) but the Canucks have quite a few people who can fill that role. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post PlayStation Posted October 3, 2008 Popular Post Share Posted October 3, 2008 LMFAOOOOOO 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blood brothers Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 at least he goes for it. Id rather see my guy stick up for a teammate and lose the fight then pull a typical swede move and kinda ignore it/hold a guys sweater. ie. Last season sticking up for Mitchell after Rolston ran him into the boards. Too many times last season our guys were pushed around and noone on our team responded to cheap shots against teammates. Dont expect that this season, well unless Ohlund and/or Krajicek are on the ice. he jumped rolston and still got slammed to the ice . I do agree that we got pushed around to much last year but I dont think that will be a problem this year . so he has no value anymore . I dont think you should bring Ohlund into this ...just ask mikko kiovu what it is like to play against him and If i remember correctly ohlund has fought Iginla and did way better than burrows could ever do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Langdon Algur Posted October 3, 2008 Popular Post Share Posted October 3, 2008 Which is why it's a good time to cash in on his worth now rather than wait. I think this kid is really great at what he focuses in (defensive forward, agitator etc..) but the Canucks have quite a few people who can fill that role. who? and how much do they get paid? how many pionts did they get last season? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Analyst Posted October 3, 2008 Popular Post Share Posted October 3, 2008 It's not a matter of how he fights, it's THAT he fights. He may lose, but if he loses to Iginla he takes Iginla out of the game. He may not be in the top percentile in any one catagory.... ie fastest skater, best puck handler. but his overall skills are better than those who are vying for a spot. R1: Burrows vs. Pettinger Burrow wins, less speed but more grit and willingness to go to the dirty areas R2: Burrows vs. Rypien This one is close, I think they are virtually the same player, and experience leans in Burrows' favour. However Rypien is a much better fighter. It's boils down to: how many fighters do you really need on this team? Also, Burrows has already proven himself in his own zone. Rypien kills penalties in Manitoba but can he do it at the NHL level? R3: Burrows vs. Brown Again very close, Brown is by far a much smoother skater, is much tougher, and so far has shown more offensive talent. I'd say that this is a coin-toss but Burrows and Kesler have chemistry, that is also a factor. In the end my depth chart for an agitator would be, Burrows, Brown, Rypien....... Let him play out the season and earn his raise, if he becomes more expensive, then he's expendable.... At his current price, keep him... Brown is waiting in the wings and would easily slot in, if Burrows goes to Pittsburgh (a la Ruutu, a la Cooke) We seem to just cycle agitators anyways. Get as much out of them at basement prices and let them go. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GUIDO Posted October 3, 2008 Popular Post Share Posted October 3, 2008 I stated my reasons . I just dont think that hard work is enough in this league. you have to be good at something .... he is not. He is amazing at penalty killing. Not just good, amazing. He scores several short handed goals every year. He is also one of the best agitators in the league if not the best. You're right in saying that he isn't a good fighter but he isn't supposed to fight, he's supposed to draw the other teams into penalties. Usually when he does get into a fight its against one of the other teams star players (Lecavalier, Iginla, Carcillo etc) which is a great trade off. There is a reason that everyone loves him except for you and the OP and that includes hockey analysts and fans alike. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post skeeter_dan Posted October 3, 2008 Popular Post Share Posted October 3, 2008 I agree .. Burrows is a joke . weak skater ..weak fighter.. cant really trash talk cuz you can't understand him with that accent. who cares if he doesn't cost us much. he is garbage .. easily replaced Burrows is the best bargain in the NHL. 31 points for the league minimum is a steal of a deal right there. Then you factor in the fact that he's one of the best agitators in the league, a great penalty killer, and a solid character guy and you have a golden player. He led the Canucks in PIM, short-handed goals, and plus/minus. He also scored 3 gamewinners, tied for second on the Canucks last season in that category and was second on the team in hits. Essentially, you're an idiot. Burrows is not a player that is easily replaced. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snipes2539 Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 who? and how much do they get paid? how many pionts did they get last season? Obviously it depends on the offer, if you could get a 2nd rounder, or a prospect, that'd be a good trade for his value. Thinking bigger picture for a second, if Burrows were traded (I already set let go would be stupid) for a prospect let's say, you could have a more offensive forward put into his place along side Kesler & Wellwood or Hansen (whoever's there), pettinger wouldn't be out of place there, he can skate, he's good on the PK, and he can shoot as well. You got Rypien coming up, and further down the road, you got Grabner, Hodgson, etc.. etc... So the question is not whether or not Burrows is a good player or valuable to the team or not cause he is. The question is, if the appropriate offer came up to trade him, it shouldn't be slapped away just because he's one of the fan favorites, that's just bad business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blood brothers Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 He is amazing at penalty killing. Not just good, amazing. He scores several short handed goals every year. He is also one of the best agitators in the league if not the best. You're right in saying that he isn't a good fighter but he isn't supposed to fight, he's supposed to draw the other teams into penalties. Usually when he does get into a fight its against one of the other teams star players (Lecavalier, Iginla, Carcillo etc) which is a great trade off. There is a reason that everyone loves him except for you and the OP and that includes hockey analysts and fans alike. take it easy . amazing is a little overboard . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blood brothers Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 Burrows is the best bargain in the NHL. 31 points for the league minimum is a steal of a deal right there. Then you factor in the fact that he's one of the best agitators in the league, a great penalty killer, and a solid character guy and you have a golden player. He led the Canucks in PIM, short-handed goals, and plus/minus. He also scored 3 gamewinners, tied for second on the Canucks last season in that category and was second on the team in hits. Essentially, you're an idiot. Burrows is not a player that is easily replaced. well hopefully we cut your golden player . send him back to the east coast league . that is where he belongs. we have a bunch of great penalty killers . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post skeeter_dan Posted October 3, 2008 Popular Post Share Posted October 3, 2008 Obviously it depends on the offer, if you could get a 2nd rounder, or a prospect, that'd be a good trade for his value. Thinking bigger picture for a second, if Burrows were traded (I already set let go would be stupid) for a prospect let's say, you could have a more offensive forward put into his place along side Kesler & Wellwood or Hansen (whoever's there), pettinger wouldn't be out of place there, he can skate, he's good on the PK, and he can shoot as well. You got Rypien coming up, and further down the road, you got Grabner, Hodgson, etc.. etc... So the question is not whether or not Burrows is a good player or valuable to the team or not cause he is. The question is, if the appropriate offer came up to trade him, it shouldn't be slapped away just because he's one of the fan favorites, that's just bad business. Trading away one of the best deals in the NHL during the salary cap era would also be bad business. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post skeeter_dan Posted October 3, 2008 Popular Post Share Posted October 3, 2008 well hopefully we cut your golden player . send him back to the east coast league . that is where he belongs. we have a bunch of great penalty killers . Congratulations. You read five words of my post. You apparently missed the last half: He led the Canucks in PIM, short-handed goals, and plus/minus. He also scored 3 gamewinners, tied for second on the Canucks last season in that category and was second on the team in hits. All that for league minimum, in the salary cap era, makes him a very difficult player to replace. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BedBeats™2.0 Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 Silliest topic next to the trade the Sedins thread from 2 days ago. You minorities who think we oughta get rid of role players are short on opinion....or maybe just short? 2 guys trying to wind everyone up. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blood brothers Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 Trading away one of the best deals in the NHL during the salary cap era would also be bad business. But trading away dead weight and replacing him with a quality player is good business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krazz Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 I know allot of people are going to scorch me for this but I fail to see the reason why nobody questions his ability to play in the nhl. Every game i watch with him in the lineup(all of them) I find myself screaming at the tv because of the stupid stuff the guy does. Personally i'd rather have any of the guys that are fighting for a spot on the team rather than burrows. Everyone's #1 reason they like this guy from what I read on this forum "He's great on the pk. Who cares! Anyone can do this thats fighting for a spot. He can't score and i'm tired of kesler carrying this guy on his back night after night, I'm tired of him losing the puck, falling down everywhere seriously this guy falls down a hundred times a night can't he skate its ridiculous, stupid penalties its endless. "He plays with grit" is another common description tossed out when his name comes up. That ok sure he pisses off guys but fails to do really be able finish that job off by being able to fight because he can't. IMOP he's an embarrassment to the team. Please Gillis let this guy go keep Krog or Pettinger or Brown whoever. let er rip. Spot on. Alex Burrows played all 82 games last season. He lead the team in terms of: SHG (3), PIM (179), and +/- rating (+11). Are you f*cking serious? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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