[GrandpaCanuck]

My Opinion.

I have been a Canucks Fan for many, many years. I will Cheer for my Team (and ALL of the players involved) whether they are winning or losing. Last time i checked, AV was still the coach, Pyatt, Raymond, Wellwood, Sanford, etc were all members of MY TEAM. As long as they continue to belong there, I will continue to cheer for them. (However, When they get traded i will jeer or curse or mock them to my friends.) I am a Fan, not a "Bandwagoner" who feels the need to rip on people everytime they have a poor stretch. I have avoided posting much on here, simply because it seems like so many children crying over the grass being greener elsewhere, and why dont we do this or that, and this player or that player will change the entire universe immediately. Our Teams Fan board has so many people on it that feel the need to **** the team, rather then support the people wearing the uniform that the rest of us cheer for. When we are down a goal, and the crowd at GM Place starts cheering GO CANUCKS GO, to try and inspire them, if you arent cheering with them, your not being a fan, and you should give your tickets away to someone who will actually support the team. (whether they win or lose) When was the last time you saw a Standing Ovation for a team that was bone tired gave it their all, and still lost? If you feel your team needs to be inspired to play better, shouldnt it start with YOU?

Since when does losing a few games in the middle of a long season result in the need to fire the coach, trade away half our roster, or pray for new players coming along to change everything? Anyone who has watched more then a few seasons of hockey should understand the minimal difference MOST trade deadline acquisitions make come playoff time. Whether most of you seem to like it or not, the team we have, the players on it, and the coach leading them is who we have to cheer for from now untill June. Get used to it. More then likely, IF MG make any changes, They wont change the fact we will make the playoffs, and we will be a handfull for any team we meet there.

YES! there are players playing in the NHL better suited to play on a Line with Sundin then Raymond or Wellwood or Pyatt or Demitra. They are not members of the Canucks organization, so dont get hung up on one of them showing up and changing the current Status Quo. The answer to who is best to play with Mats on our 2nd line (and it will remain our 2nd line untill opponents start putting their top d pairing against them) must come from the people the organization currently has. AV has given Sundin a regular duo for the last 3 games, and that regular player has been Mason Raymond. If and when the two of them have no chance of meshing or someone within the organization steps up and earns the spot more then MR, it will change, untill then, i dont see anyone else even trying to play hard enough to deserve a spot there... The entire team is playing a 40 minute game, not a 60 minute game, and the entire team appears to be lacking Energy and Spirit. There is no player currently in the NHL that is not a member of the Canucks, and is willing to come here, that could ever change that fact. Roberto Luongo might (should) change that issue, so we will have to wait untill next week after he is back regular to see if it happens. The Captain of a team is not doing his Job if he is not the Heart and Soul of his team. This team has been playing without its full complement of Heart and Soul since Roberto was injured. I will cheer when LUUUUU is back, i will cheer when Sundin scores, or when Kesler blocks a shot, and when anyone in a blue and green jersey steps on the ice, whether they play great or halfassed or even poorly, i am a Fan. When my team is down, and they need to be inspired, and need some jump, who is going to be there to give them encouragement? Will it be you????


We are all Canucks! Be a Fan!



Fan
1 : an enthusiastic devotee (as of a sport or a performing art) usually as a spectator
2 : an ardent admirer or enthusiast (as of a celebrity or a pursuit)

Bandwagon
1 : a popular party, faction, or cause that attracts growing support —often used in such phrases as jump on the bandwagon

Bandwagoner
1 : a bunch of idiots that follow an organization for 3 months and become experts on their entire history without actually having a clue what they are talking about.

[Goats Gruff]

agreed. completely. Im completely fed up of Bandwagoners. Every loss we get, we get a crapload of proposals to save us!!! It really ticks me off!!!

[oldchamp]

GrandpaCanuck, on Jan 13 2009, 12:32 PM, said:

My Opinion.

I have been a Canucks Fan for many, many years. I will Cheer for my Team (and ALL of the players involved) whether they are winning or losing. Last time i checked, AV was still the coach, Pyatt, Raymond, Wellwood, Sanford, etc were all members of MY TEAM. As long as they continue to belong there, I will continue to cheer for them. (However, When they get traded i will jeer or curse or mock them to my friends.) I am a Fan, not a "Bandwagoner" who feels the need to rip on people everytime they have a poor stretch. I have avoided posting much on here, simply because it seems like so many children crying over the grass being greener elsewhere, and why dont we do this or that, and this player or that player will change the entire universe immediately. Our Teams Fan board has so many people on it that feel the need to **** the team, rather then support the people wearing the uniform that the rest of us cheer for. When we are down a goal, and the crowd at GM Place starts cheering GO CANUCKS GO, to try and inspire them, if you arent cheering with them, your not being a fan, and you should give your tickets away to someone who will actually support the team. (whether they win or lose) When was the last time you saw a Standing Ovation for a team that was bone tired gave it their all, and still lost? If you feel your team needs to be inspired to play better, shouldnt it start with YOU?

Since when does losing a few games in the middle of a long season result in the need to fire the coach, trade away half our roster, or pray for new players coming along to change everything? Anyone who has watched more then a few seasons of hockey should understand the minimal difference MOST trade deadline acquisitions make come playoff time. Whether most of you seem to like it or not, the team we have, the players on it, and the coach leading them is who we have to cheer for from now until June. Get used to it. More then likely, IF MG make any changes, They wont change the fact we will make the playoffs, and we will be a handfull for any team we meet there.

YES! there are players playing in the NHL better suited to play on a Line with Sundin then Raymond or Wellwood or Pyatt or Demitra. They are not members of the Canucks organization, so dont get hung up on one of them showing up and changing the current Status Quo. The answer to who is best to play with Mats on our 2nd line (and it will remain our 2nd line untill opponents start putting their top d pairing against them) must come from the people the organization currently has. AV has given Sundin a regular duo for the last 3 games, and that regular player has been Mason Raymond. If and when the two of them have no chance of meshing or someone within the organization steps up and earns the spot more then MR, it will change, untill then, i dont see anyone else even trying to play hard enough to deserve a spot there... The entire team is playing a 40 minute game, not a 60 minute game, and the entire team appears to be lacking Energy and Spirit. There is no player currently in the NHL that is not a member of the Canucks, and is willing to come here, that could ever change that fact. Roberto Luongo might (should) change that issue, so we will have to wait untill next week after he is back regular to see if it happens. The Captain of a team is not doing his Job if he is not the Heart and Soul of his team. This team has been playing without its full complement of Heart and Soul since Roberto was injured. I will cheer when LUUUUU is back, i will cheer when Sundin scores, or when Kesler blocks a shot, and when anyone in a blue and green jersey steps on the ice, whether they play great or halfassed or even poorly, i am a Fan. When my team is down, and they need to be inspired, and need some jump, who is going to be there to give them encouragement? Will it be you????


We are all Canucks! Be a Fan!



Fan
1 : an enthusiastic devotee (as of a sport or a performing art) usually as a spectator
2 : an ardent admirer or enthusiast (as of a celebrity or a pursuit)

Bandwagon
1 : a popular party, faction, or cause that attracts growing support —often used in such phrases as jump on the bandwagon

Bandwagoner
1 : a bunch of idiots that follow an organization for 3 months and become experts on their entire history without actually having a clue what they are talking about.

I understand your passion and its a nice read overall. HOWEVER, no one including my kids gets BLIND LOVE. I have invested (Money, emotions, hardship and sacrifice) a lot in the things i love (family, health, work, Canucks etc). Since i have invested so much i have full right to criticize and NOT cheer when i believe they are "misbehaving". If my kids are being bad i would not appreciate it and they will hear about it. If the canucks show no effort, game after game after game, i am not going to cheer them up.

People are going to say well they are human beings, they go thru spells. Fine they do, but spells like that is not typical to a whole team, and it suggest an overall laziness. So do you want me to cheer laziness or show discouragement?

Whatever, i guess i am not a fan....

This post has been edited by oldchamp: 13 January 2009 - 02:02 PM

[GrandpaCanuck]

well said old champ, a much better reply then i had expected

there are a few instances when our team needs a slap upside the head from the fans. not very often though.

This post has been edited by GrandpaCanuck: 13 January 2009 - 02:03 PM

[Salmon Arm Canuck]

oldchamp, on Jan 13 2009, 01:58 PM, said:

I understand your passion and its a nice read overall. HOWEVER, no one including my kids gets BLIND LOVE. I have invested (Money, emotions, hardship and sacrifice) a lot in the things i love (family, health, work, Canucks etc). Since i have invested so much i have full right to criticize and NOT cheer when i believe they are "misbehaving". If my kids are being bad i would not appreciate it and they will hear about it. If the canucks show no effort, game after game after game, i am not going to cheer them up.

People are going to say well they are human beings, they go thru spells. Fine they do, but spells like that is not typical to a whole team, and it suggest an overall laziness. So do you want me to cheer laziness or show discouragement?

Whatever, i guess i am not a fan....

Nice analogy!!

[chevy55]

oldchamp, on Jan 13 2009, 02:58 PM, said:

I understand your passion and its a nice read overall. HOWEVER, no one including my kids gets BLIND LOVE. I have invested (Money, emotions, hardship and sacrifice) a lot in the things i love (family, health, work, Canucks etc). Since i have invested so much i have full right to criticize and NOT cheer when i believe they are "misbehaving". If my kids are being bad i would not appreciate it and they will hear about it. If the canucks show no effort, game after game after game, i am not going to cheer them up.

People are going to say well they are human beings, they go thru spells. Fine they do, but spells like that is not typical to a whole team, and it suggest an overall laziness. So do you want me to cheer laziness or show discouragement?

Whatever, i guess i am not a fan....

Well I agree with Grandpa 100% and stand behind our team. Unfortunately their is no mental test to ensure intelligent posters get on here, so we are forced to listen to the uneducated rants of self preported hockey geniuses, that could do so much better than the paid proffessionals that run this team (how they are not in hockey from a prefessional standpoint is anyone's guess)

And as for Oldchamp not giving BlindLove even to his children, that is one of the saddest statements I think I have heard here. My kids regardless of how or what they do will always have my unconditional love and support, I would hate to think of them thinking I don't love them because they didn't live up to my expectations...I am certain that that is not what was really meant, as his point was accurate to download on a team that is not giving it there all, but I couldn't draw that same parallel to one of my loved ones...

Anyway, great post Grandpa

[Glory Days]

Yada yada Yada I watched every game for 38 years We want the Cup keep your lets sing camp fire songs and all love each other speech to yourself

[Lidstrom5]

GrandpaCanuck, on Jan 13 2009, 12:32 PM, said:

My Opinion.

I have been a Canucks Fan for many, many years. I will Cheer for my Team (and ALL of the players involved) whether they are winning or losing. Last time i checked, AV was still the coach, Pyatt, Raymond, Wellwood, Sanford, etc were all members of MY TEAM. As long as they continue to belong there, I will continue to cheer for them. (However, When they get traded i will jeer or curse or mock them to my friends.) I am a Fan, not a "Bandwagoner" who feels the need to rip on people everytime they have a poor stretch. I have avoided posting much on here, simply because it seems like so many children crying over the grass being greener elsewhere, and why dont we do this or that, and this player or that player will change the entire universe immediately. Our Teams Fan board has so many people on it that feel the need to **** the team, rather then support the people wearing the uniform that the rest of us cheer for. When we are down a goal, and the crowd at GM Place starts cheering GO CANUCKS GO, to try and inspire them, if you arent cheering with them, your not being a fan, and you should give your tickets away to someone who will actually support the team. (whether they win or lose) When was the last time you saw a Standing Ovation for a team that was bone tired gave it their all, and still lost? If you feel your team needs to be inspired to play better, shouldnt it start with YOU?

I agree with where you are generally coming from... but I don't think that fans are obligated to rid themselves of any opinion whatsoever if it is not in agreement with what the team is doing. Fans are still people, and people have choice and opinion.

And in regard to the quote above... No.. it SHOULDN'T start with fans. Why on earth would a player's inspiration start with the fans?? I'm not questioning the players, but I'm just saying it starts with them. Not the fans.

[bandwagonbasher]

Hey i like this guys style....I stay up at nigt dreaming of punching well known bandwagoners in the face during the parade.I feel so proud and excited that we have a canadian nhl team...for true canuck fans its not a love hate relationship its just pure love..Dont watch this team bandwagoners, we dont want to hear your opinion and we dont like u.


BANDWAGONERS SUCK!!!!!!!!

[tribaljohn]

GrandpaCanuck, on Jan 13 2009, 12:32 PM, said:

My Opinion.

I have been a Canucks Fan for many, many years. I will Cheer for my Team (and ALL of the players involved) whether they are winning or losing. Last time i checked, AV was still the coach, Pyatt, Raymond, Wellwood, Sanford, etc were all members of MY TEAM. As long as they continue to belong there, I will continue to cheer for them. (However, When they get traded i will jeer or curse or mock them to my friends.) I am a Fan, not a "Bandwagoner" who feels the need to rip on people everytime they have a poor stretch. I have avoided posting much on here, simply because it seems like so many children crying over the grass being greener elsewhere, and why dont we do this or that, and this player or that player will change the entire universe immediately. Our Teams Fan board has so many people on it that feel the need to **** the team, rather then support the people wearing the uniform that the rest of us cheer for. When we are down a goal, and the crowd at GM Place starts cheering GO CANUCKS GO, to try and inspire them, if you arent cheering with them, your not being a fan, and you should give your tickets away to someone who will actually support the team. (whether they win or lose) When was the last time you saw a Standing Ovation for a team that was bone tired gave it their all, and still lost? If you feel your team needs to be inspired to play better, shouldnt it start with YOU?

Since when does losing a few games in the middle of a long season result in the need to fire the coach, trade away half our roster, or pray for new players coming along to change everything? Anyone who has watched more then a few seasons of hockey should understand the minimal difference MOST trade deadline acquisitions make come playoff time. Whether most of you seem to like it or not, the team we have, the players on it, and the coach leading them is who we have to cheer for from now untill June. Get used to it. More then likely, IF MG make any changes, They wont change the fact we will make the playoffs, and we will be a handfull for any team we meet there.

YES! there are players playing in the NHL better suited to play on a Line with Sundin then Raymond or Wellwood or Pyatt or Demitra. They are not members of the Canucks organization, so dont get hung up on one of them showing up and changing the current Status Quo. The answer to who is best to play with Mats on our 2nd line (and it will remain our 2nd line untill opponents start putting their top d pairing against them) must come from the people the organization currently has. AV has given Sundin a regular duo for the last 3 games, and that regular player has been Mason Raymond. If and when the two of them have no chance of meshing or someone within the organization steps up and earns the spot more then MR, it will change, untill then, i dont see anyone else even trying to play hard enough to deserve a spot there... The entire team is playing a 40 minute game, not a 60 minute game, and the entire team appears to be lacking Energy and Spirit. There is no player currently in the NHL that is not a member of the Canucks, and is willing to come here, that could ever change that fact. Roberto Luongo might (should) change that issue, so we will have to wait untill next week after he is back regular to see if it happens. The Captain of a team is not doing his Job if he is not the Heart and Soul of his team. This team has been playing without its full complement of Heart and Soul since Roberto was injured. I will cheer when LUUUUU is back, i will cheer when Sundin scores, or when Kesler blocks a shot, and when anyone in a blue and green jersey steps on the ice, whether they play great or halfassed or even poorly, i am a Fan. When my team is down, and they need to be inspired, and need some jump, who is going to be there to give them encouragement? Will it be you????


We are all Canucks! Be a Fan!



Fan
1 : an enthusiastic devotee (as of a sport or a performing art) usually as a spectator
2 : an ardent admirer or enthusiast (as of a celebrity or a pursuit)

Bandwagon
1 : a popular party, faction, or cause that attracts growing support —often used in such phrases as jump on the bandwagon

Bandwagoner
1 : a bunch of idiots that follow an organization for 3 months and become experts on their entire history without actually having a clue what they are talking about.

We can cheer or jeer any way we want to and you can't do anything about that, if your old you already know this. I've been watching bone headed moves by this club since they came to the NHL, most moves are locker room driven - that means the players close to management get the breaks, players not close move on when their contract finishes.

That part of the NHL has never changed!

You don't want to read any thing negative -- simply man up and don't read the thread. ( its as easy as using the back button )

Most fans were foaming at the mouth thinking this was going to be a Stanely Cup year -- still could be -- depends on what Gillis sells at the trade dead-line and what he gets for it.

I'm a real fan -- I will not even boo former Canuck players come to town, that is how loyal I am.

Good points -- but you bought into the urban myth about what makes a fan a fan.

[I_AM_CANUCKIAN]

GrandpaCanuck, on Jan 13 2009, 02:32 PM, said:

My Opinion.

I have been a Canucks Fan for many, many years. I will Cheer for my Team (and ALL of the players involved) whether they are winning or losing. Last time i checked, AV was still the coach, Pyatt, Raymond, Wellwood, Sanford, etc were all members of MY TEAM. As long as they continue to belong there, I will continue to cheer for them. (However, When they get traded i will jeer or curse or mock them to my friends.) I am a Fan, not a "Bandwagoner" who feels the need to rip on people everytime they have a poor stretch. I have avoided posting much on here, simply because it seems like so many children crying over the grass being greener elsewhere, and why dont we do this or that, and this player or that player will change the entire universe immediately. Our Teams Fan board has so many people on it that feel the need to **** the team, rather then support the people wearing the uniform that the rest of us cheer for. When we are down a goal, and the crowd at GM Place starts cheering GO CANUCKS GO, to try and inspire them, if you arent cheering with them, your not being a fan, and you should give your tickets away to someone who will actually support the team. (whether they win or lose) When was the last time you saw a Standing Ovation for a team that was bone tired gave it their all, and still lost? If you feel your team needs to be inspired to play better, shouldnt it start with YOU?

Since when does losing a few games in the middle of a long season result in the need to fire the coach, trade away half our roster, or pray for new players coming along to change everything? Anyone who has watched more then a few seasons of hockey should understand the minimal difference MOST trade deadline acquisitions make come playoff time. Whether most of you seem to like it or not, the team we have, the players on it, and the coach leading them is who we have to cheer for from now untill June. Get used to it. More then likely, IF MG make any changes, They wont change the fact we will make the playoffs, and we will be a handfull for any team we meet there.

YES! there are players playing in the NHL better suited to play on a Line with Sundin then Raymond or Wellwood or Pyatt or Demitra. They are not members of the Canucks organization, so dont get hung up on one of them showing up and changing the current Status Quo. The answer to who is best to play with Mats on our 2nd line (and it will remain our 2nd line untill opponents start putting their top d pairing against them) must come from the people the organization currently has. AV has given Sundin a regular duo for the last 3 games, and that regular player has been Mason Raymond. If and when the two of them have no chance of meshing or someone within the organization steps up and earns the spot more then MR, it will change, untill then, i dont see anyone else even trying to play hard enough to deserve a spot there... The entire team is playing a 40 minute game, not a 60 minute game, and the entire team appears to be lacking Energy and Spirit. There is no player currently in the NHL that is not a member of the Canucks, and is willing to come here, that could ever change that fact. Roberto Luongo might (should) change that issue, so we will have to wait untill next week after he is back regular to see if it happens. The Captain of a team is not doing his Job if he is not the Heart and Soul of his team. This team has been playing without its full complement of Heart and Soul since Roberto was injured. I will cheer when LUUUUU is back, i will cheer when Sundin scores, or when Kesler blocks a shot, and when anyone in a blue and green jersey steps on the ice, whether they play great or halfassed or even poorly, i am a Fan. When my team is down, and they need to be inspired, and need some jump, who is going to be there to give them encouragement? Will it be you????


We are all Canucks! Be a Fan!



Fan
1 : an enthusiastic devotee (as of a sport or a performing art) usually as a spectator
2 : an ardent admirer or enthusiast (as of a celebrity or a pursuit)

Bandwagon
1 : a popular party, faction, or cause that attracts growing support —often used in such phrases as jump on the bandwagon

Bandwagoner
1 : a bunch of idiots that follow an organization for 3 months and become experts on their entire history without actually having a clue what they are talking about.

I commend you on your post. It is great that the team still has fans like us. (And before people harp on that last comment, I can say that, because I will always support "MY" team no matter how bad things get). I know people here may consider me a fool, but even if we are down 4-0 going into the third period I will always "Believe". I know there are also others like GrandpaCanuck and myself, and I am glad that there are, despite all the negativity I see from so called "fans" on these boards.

I posted this earlier today and think it relates to the OP's post:


Come on guys! We have not had Lu for almost 2 months! He is our Captain and IMO the best goalie on the planet. When players play infront of him they are more confident, and are more willing to take a chance here and there to go on the attack. Do you guys remember our goals for per game average before he went down? This was a completely different team.

With Luongo this team has a certain swagger about them. Teams have to worry about how they are going to try to beat Luongo and the Canucks, not just beat the Canucks. Every team that would be playing the Canucks would mention this before every game. Luongo also holds the others accountable for their actions. Players do not want to let him down because he will let them hear about it for sure. Not to say that they shouldn't hold themselves accountable but IMO the players were happy just "getting by" until Lu got back. He was supposed to only be out for a while and then by the time people had realized that the situation was worse than at first thought, various bad habits had crept into the teams game and were hard to correct.

When Lu went down there was also a lot of confusion. Switching goalies every game did not help the situation. The players obviously play different infront of different goalies and it was basically a revolving door with the goalies switching back and forth almost every game. I understand Schneider had to play here and there to see how he would perform, but we all soon realized that he was not ready for the big leagues quite yet. Not to say that he won't be a great goalie in the future, but he definitely needs more seasoning in Manitoba.

Injuries have also hurt our team. Having crucial parts of the team out for prolonged portions of this period have hurt. Salo, Johnson (even Pyatt - just for you wetcoaster) can help the team in a lot of different areas/situations. All this along with the "Sundin cloud" loomed over the team. Would he sign or would't he? IMO this has a bigger effect on the team than people think. When he did sign, people and possibly even the team thought he was gonna just step in and score a hat-trick every game or something.

Once Sundin finally entered the lineup there have been other issues. He is not 100% game ready as shown in his few performances. It is going to take time for him to get going at the pace and level he is capable. Most of the players on IR are expected back soon, along with Lu. The team will be complete and once people start gelling with their linemates (I understand AV will switch it up, but I mean learning how to play with Sundin), the team will get rolling again.

I am not just trying to make excuses for the team, but I am just saying relax. There is no reason to being pressing the panic button just yet, even though you may be hearing that from other so called professionals (*cough* Team1040 *cough*). The team will be just fine. Our injured players are getting back, Sundin is slowly but surely getting going towards 100% and AV is holding people accountable and not just sugar coating things.

All that being said, just one more thing:

LUONGO IS BACK!!!

[oldchamp]

chevy55, on Jan 13 2009, 01:18 PM, said:

Well I agree with Grandpa 100% and stand behind our team. Unfortunately their is no mental test to ensure intelligent posters get on here, so we are forced to listen to the uneducated rants of self preported hockey geniuses, that could do so much better than the paid proffessionals that run this team (how they are not in hockey from a prefessional standpoint is anyone's guess)

And as for Oldchamp not giving BlindLove even to his children, that is one of the saddest statements I think I have heard here. My kids regardless of how or what they do will always have my unconditional love and support, I would hate to think of them thinking I don't love them because they didn't live up to my expectations...I am certain that that is not what was really meant, as his point was accurate to download on a team that is not giving it there all, but I couldn't draw that same parallel to one of my loved ones...

Anyway, great post Grandpa

not to confuse support and guidance.....don't think that i have unconventional love for my kids but my love includes guiding them and preparing them for what to come as well as giving them the necessary tools to work with. For example: You go ahead and cheer them up when they come from school with F in every subject, i will not. I also not going to smack them or yell at them but cmon...Kids need guidance, if you think you show love to them by turning your back when they need directions, then whatever, although i think thats not what you meant either...anyways i dont want to get into parenting really.

All i am saying is that i can compare on the bases of investment. anything i have invested in, gives me the right to judge it on my own merrit BEFORE i blindly cheer for it regardless the results.

This post has been edited by oldchamp: 13 January 2009 - 02:47 PM

[Donnie Shulzhoffer]

Being a fan of Britney Spears is not the same as being a sports fan.

Sports fans come in all shapes and sizes, some call into radio shows, some post on internet forums, some stay silent through thick and thin. Just because you're one type doesn't give you the right to judge others and certainly doesn't entitle you to get up on a high horse.

With all due respect, I think you're confusing Fan Forum with Fan Club.

[Dr.Stanley]

GrandpaCanuck, on Jan 13 2009, 01:32 PM, said:

My Opinion.

I have been a Canucks Fan for many, many years. I will Cheer for my Team (and ALL of the players involved) whether they are winning or losing. Last time i checked, AV was still the coach, Pyatt, Raymond, Wellwood, Sanford, etc were all members of MY TEAM. As long as they continue to belong there, I will continue to cheer for them. (However, When they get traded i will jeer or curse or mock them to my friends.) I am a Fan, not a "Bandwagoner" who feels the need to rip on people everytime they have a poor stretch. I have avoided posting much on here, simply because it seems like so many children crying over the grass being greener elsewhere, and why dont we do this or that, and this player or that player will change the entire universe immediately. Our Teams Fan board has so many people on it that feel the need to **** the team, rather then support the people wearing the uniform that the rest of us cheer for. When we are down a goal, and the crowd at GM Place starts cheering GO CANUCKS GO, to try and inspire them, if you arent cheering with them, your not being a fan, and you should give your tickets away to someone who will actually support the team. (whether they win or lose) When was the last time you saw a Standing Ovation for a team that was bone tired gave it their all, and still lost? If you feel your team needs to be inspired to play better, shouldnt it start with YOU?

Since when does losing a few games in the middle of a long season result in the need to fire the coach, trade away half our roster, or pray for new players coming along to change everything? Anyone who has watched more then a few seasons of hockey should understand the minimal difference MOST trade deadline acquisitions make come playoff time. Whether most of you seem to like it or not, the team we have, the players on it, and the coach leading them is who we have to cheer for from now untill June. Get used to it. More then likely, IF MG make any changes, They wont change the fact we will make the playoffs, and we will be a handfull for any team we meet there.

YES! there are players playing in the NHL better suited to play on a Line with Sundin then Raymond or Wellwood or Pyatt or Demitra. They are not members of the Canucks organization, so dont get hung up on one of them showing up and changing the current Status Quo. The answer to who is best to play with Mats on our 2nd line (and it will remain our 2nd line untill opponents start putting their top d pairing against them) must come from the people the organization currently has. AV has given Sundin a regular duo for the last 3 games, and that regular player has been Mason Raymond. If and when the two of them have no chance of meshing or someone within the organization steps up and earns the spot more then MR, it will change, untill then, i dont see anyone else even trying to play hard enough to deserve a spot there... The entire team is playing a 40 minute game, not a 60 minute game, and the entire team appears to be lacking Energy and Spirit. There is no player currently in the NHL that is not a member of the Canucks, and is willing to come here, that could ever change that fact. Roberto Luongo might (should) change that issue, so we will have to wait untill next week after he is back regular to see if it happens. The Captain of a team is not doing his Job if he is not the Heart and Soul of his team. This team has been playing without its full complement of Heart and Soul since Roberto was injured. I will cheer when LUUUUU is back, i will cheer when Sundin scores, or when Kesler blocks a shot, and when anyone in a blue and green jersey steps on the ice, whether they play great or halfassed or even poorly, i am a Fan. When my team is down, and they need to be inspired, and need some jump, who is going to be there to give them encouragement? Will it be you????


We are all Canucks! Be a Fan!



Fan
1 : an enthusiastic devotee (as of a sport or a performing art) usually as a spectator
2 : an ardent admirer or enthusiast (as of a celebrity or a pursuit)

Bandwagon
1 : a popular party, faction, or cause that attracts growing support —often used in such phrases as jump on the bandwagon

Bandwagoner
1 : a bunch of idiots that follow an organization for 3 months and become experts on their entire history without actually having a clue what they are talking about.

I Agree. Being a fan means LOVING the team. You can have your opinions (some of them are better than others) but at the end, when all is said and done, THIS MY TEAM! Yes we suck sometimes. Yes, sometimes Taylor Pyatt is a Pylon! Yes sometimes I feel like AV isn't doing a good job behind the bench! But every night there is a game, I grab a beer, sit down, and I cheer for my Vancouver Canucks!!!


GO CANUCKS GO

[mrluongo]

Fantastic post, and i agree 100%.

4 posts in, and you made 1 hell of a thread.

welcome to cdc, we need more people like you here.

[Mcfly]

oldchamp, on Jan 13 2009, 12:58 PM, said:

I understand your passion and its a nice read overall. HOWEVER, no one including my kids gets BLIND LOVE. I have invested (Money, emotions, hardship and sacrifice) a lot in the things i love (family, health, work, Canucks etc). Since i have invested so much i have full right to criticize and NOT cheer when i believe they are "misbehaving". If my kids are being bad i would not appreciate it and they will hear about it. If the canucks show no effort, game after game after game, i am not going to cheer them up.

People are going to say well they are human beings, they go thru spells. Fine they do, but spells like that is not typical to a whole team, and it suggest an overall laziness. So do you want me to cheer laziness or show discouragement?

Whatever, i guess i am not a fan....

Yes, but what one has to ask, is whether even half the fans of the canucks consider and understand what it takes for a team or a player to be successful in this league.
I'm not saying I know more than the next guy, but the way some people come across on here,is just plain ignorant when it comes to what some of these players put themselves through.
There's a reason they get paid what they do. By age 40 their bodies are pretty damaged and disabled for the rest of there lives.

Another thing one should consider when visiting this site, is that there are a lot of young fans that don't even know what a "hards day work" actually is.

It's the variety of fans this place brings in, which makes it interesting. It's why opinions clash. Everyone, no matter the age, can have a voice in here.

How you support your team, is your own choice. As long as we do it through the bad times as well as the good.

[hockeyville88]

it's tough when the Canucks lose but what makes is harder is to have to deal with bandwagonners who come on here and make it sound like the sky is falling. seriously people let's be real fans and support our team 110% shall we

[RWMc1]

Some fans on this site have been fans for decades. We want to see our team hoisting the Cup. We know what kind of effort it takes to make it through the season and then battle through 4 rounds in the playoffs. If some players are not putting in the effort, then it is our right to call them on it. Although some fans have a blind hatred for some players and blind love for others. Every player has a role to play and that role gets magnified in the playoffs. Just support the team and ignore the fans who are ignorant of the game and the effort required to win.

[Finaddict]

oldchamp, on Jan 13 2009, 02:58 PM, said:

I understand your passion and its a nice read overall. HOWEVER, no one including my kids gets BLIND LOVE. I have invested (Money, emotions, hardship and sacrifice) a lot in the things i love (family, health, work, Canucks etc). Since i have invested so much i have full right to criticize and NOT cheer when i believe they are "misbehaving". If my kids are being bad i would not appreciate it and they will hear about it. If the canucks show no effort, game after game after game, i am not going to cheer them up.

People are going to say well they are human beings, they go thru spells. Fine they do, but spells like that is not typical to a whole team, and it suggest an overall laziness. So do you want me to cheer laziness or show discouragement?

Whatever, i guess i am not a fan....

There are 29 other teams ............................. pick one

[Odjickwillkillyou]

I think I have seen countless threads like this before. You wanna know how I know I am a fan? I was born and raised in California and have been following the boys since 93 because of guys like Trev, Pavel, Gino and Greg "You can call him Gus" Adams. At least once a week I have to answer questions from why am I a fan of the team to why dont I go live in Canada if I love it so much. I dont feel the need to justify myself, but I usually do. I love the sport of hockey and from the first time I laced up skates as a teen, I have loved the Canucks. With that said, I do question the players heart and desire all the time. They have the skills to get it done so what else is there? If you have the skill, but lack desire and heart you will lose to a less talented and hungry team almost every time. Case in point: Blues, Stars, Isle's. All teams that we are much more talented and experienced than, but they wanted it more than us. On paper none of those should have been close if we played to our potential. I truly believe that when Lou comes back, we will regain that hunger because he is our new leader. If we dont, then the players have nobody to blame but themselves.