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DOHERTY WILL BE PICKED OFF THE BOARD YOU HEARD IT HERE!

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Ryan Ellis, bring him in now PP could use him

And Tomas Tatar

he played great for Slovakia.

All i wanted to choose

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NoNameBrand, on Feb 2 2009, 10:08 PM, said:

DOHERTY WILL BE PICKED OFF THE BOARD YOU HEARD IT HERE!

no, not at 10 he wont. YOU HEARD IT HERE!!!!1!!1!!

[chickenman92]

no love for morin, imo this kid would be the perfect winger for hodgson and a steal this year if he falls
here's info on him


NN ARBOR, Mich. -- Talent goes in cycles. From one season to the next, one league swings up and one league trends down. Same goes from team to team, program to program. This winter, USA Hockey's under-18 development team is one of those trending up.

The talent on the U.S. under-18s rosters has made Ann Arbor a destination for NHL scouts in recent years, and it will be an important one this season. The 2005-06 team gives you an idea of the top end of the talent. Core players from that team -- Patrick Kane, Phil Kessel, Peter Mueller, Jack Johnson and Erik Johnson -- were first-hour selections in their respective draft years and are already emerging NHL stars.

You can look down the roster and find other high draft selections, including defenseman Chris Summers (first-rounder to Phoenix in 2006), center Ryan Stoa (second-rounder to Colorado in '05) and goalie Jeff Frazee (second-rounder to New Jersey in '05).

Jeremy Morin
Jeremy Morin could be one of a handful of American prospects selected in the 2009 NHL draft.

Granted, that was a loaded year -- probably the strongest in the program's history -- but the impact of the USA Hockey development program on the NHL draft goes beyond the 2005-06 squad. In the 10 years of its existence, an average of 15 players per draft has played for the under-17 or under-18 squads.

NHL scouts believe this will be a significantly better year for the U.S. under-18s than last year, when the first player drafted directly from the program was Danny Kristo (second round, 56th overall, to Montreal). This season, the betting is at least two players out of the USDT will go in the first round.

You don't need to even see Jeremy Morin play to know why he's a priority for scouts. The native of Auburn, N.Y., leads the team in goals (14) and penalty minutes (62) after 17 games. If the 17-year-old could boost his assists, he'd be in line for the Gordie Howe hat-trick season. Still, Morin's numbers so far this season tell you what you need to know about his game: He finishes chances and he's fiercely competitive. He has a heavy right-handed shot; if other players are working with 3-irons, he's using a driver. The line about assists is an inside joke for those who have seen him play or play with him: He has a goal-scorer's approach to the game and couldn't become a pass-first guy for a shift.

At 6-foot-1 and 190 pounds, he's not quite a power forward; more of a cruiserweight than a heavyweight, but not hard to push off the puck. And to get room to score, he'll carve out his own space on the ice rather than leave it to the team's designated tough guys. All parts of Morin's game were on display against Marquette in a North American Hockey League matchup at the national team's home rink in Ann Arbor.

In addition to international tournaments and exhibitions, the U.S. under-18s play a full schedule in the NAHL, and last weekend, the team played back-to-back games against the Marquette Rangers. Morin picked up a power-play goal in the opening game Friday night, a 4-2 win for the Rangers that featured a chippy third period and guaranteed a boil-over in Game 2.

A few shifts into the game Saturday night, provoked more by trash talk and a dirty look than anything, Morin dropped the gloves with a Rangers sparring partner and earned a draw. That's more impressive than it sounds, because he was thoroughly sweatered (his sweater was pulled over his head so all he could see was red, white and blue and not the guy punching him).

Morin was having a decent game through regulation, but was held off the score sheet until overtime. A couple of minutes in, he came down the left wing in what looked like a harmless one-on-one with a Marquette defenseman who had a comfortable cushion. Too comfortable, as it turned out. At the top of the circle, Morin curled to the center and wired a wrist shot that the Rangers' goaltender could only wave at.

Morin, who played in USA Hockey's under-17 program in Ann Arbor last year, was picked up by the national team that played in the world under-18s in Russia in April.

Morin hasn't made a verbal commitment to a U.S. college yet, and his rights are owned by the Kitchener Rangers, the defending champions of the Ontario Hockey League and one of the more respected programs in the major-junior ranks. There was some talk last winter that he'd opt out of Ann Arbor to play in Canadian junior hockey, but his father Steve told reporters there was "no chance" of landing him early.

"We made a two-year commitment, and he's going to live up to it," Steve said.

NHL scouts believe Jeremy Morin will land in the major-junior next season after making a stop on the stage on the Friday night of the NHL draft in June.

from dobber hockey

Comments: One needs to be careful when evaluating power forwards playing junior hockey. While NTDP product Jeremy Morin is a fearless competitor in every zone, at his current weight, he would be dead before the end of his first shift in the NHL. Fortunately, adding muscie is an all but expected part of the development process, and there's no second-guessing that Morin is but the second-best finisher in the Draft. His only major flaw is skating, but that should not be enough to drop him out of the top ten.

imo he sounds a lot like jerome iginla and i know there may be better players there at 10 but I can't see a player who would compliment hodgson as good as morin would. they could be the next hull and oates.

This post has been edited by chickenman92: 03 February 2009 - 09:54 AM

[ilikecanucks]

chickenman92, on Feb 3 2009, 08:12 AM, said:

no love for morin, imo this kid would be the perfect winger for hodgson and a steal this year if he falls
here's info on him


NN ARBOR, Mich. -- Talent goes in cycles. From one season to the next, one league swings up and one league trends down. Same goes from team to team, program to program. This winter, USA Hockey's under-18 development team is one of those trending up.

The talent on the U.S. under-18s rosters has made Ann Arbor a destination for NHL scouts in recent years, and it will be an important one this season. The 2005-06 team gives you an idea of the top end of the talent. Core players from that team -- Patrick Kane, Phil Kessel, Peter Mueller, Jack Johnson and Erik Johnson -- were first-hour selections in their respective draft years and are already emerging NHL stars.

You can look down the roster and find other high draft selections, including defenseman Chris Summers (first-rounder to Phoenix in 2006), center Ryan Stoa (second-rounder to Colorado in '05) and goalie Jeff Frazee (second-rounder to New Jersey in '05).

Jeremy Morin
Jeremy Morin could be one of a handful of American prospects selected in the 2009 NHL draft.

Granted, that was a loaded year -- probably the strongest in the program's history -- but the impact of the USA Hockey development program on the NHL draft goes beyond the 2005-06 squad. In the 10 years of its existence, an average of 15 players per draft has played for the under-17 or under-18 squads.

NHL scouts believe this will be a significantly better year for the U.S. under-18s than last year, when the first player drafted directly from the program was Danny Kristo (second round, 56th overall, to Montreal). This season, the betting is at least two players out of the USDT will go in the first round.

You don't need to even see Jeremy Morin play to know why he's a priority for scouts. The native of Auburn, N.Y., leads the team in goals (14) and penalty minutes (62) after 17 games. If the 17-year-old could boost his assists, he'd be in line for the Gordie Howe hat-trick season. Still, Morin's numbers so far this season tell you what you need to know about his game: He finishes chances and he's fiercely competitive. He has a heavy right-handed shot; if other players are working with 3-irons, he's using a driver. The line about assists is an inside joke for those who have seen him play or play with him: He has a goal-scorer's approach to the game and couldn't become a pass-first guy for a shift.

At 6-foot-1 and 190 pounds, he's not quite a power forward; more of a cruiserweight than a heavyweight, but not hard to push off the puck. And to get room to score, he'll carve out his own space on the ice rather than leave it to the team's designated tough guys. All parts of Morin's game were on display against Marquette in a North American Hockey League matchup at the national team's home rink in Ann Arbor.

In addition to international tournaments and exhibitions, the U.S. under-18s play a full schedule in the NAHL, and last weekend, the team played back-to-back games against the Marquette Rangers. Morin picked up a power-play goal in the opening game Friday night, a 4-2 win for the Rangers that featured a chippy third period and guaranteed a boil-over in Game 2.

A few shifts into the game Saturday night, provoked more by trash talk and a dirty look than anything, Morin dropped the gloves with a Rangers sparring partner and earned a draw. That's more impressive than it sounds, because he was thoroughly sweatered (his sweater was pulled over his head so all he could see was red, white and blue and not the guy punching him).

Morin was having a decent game through regulation, but was held off the score sheet until overtime. A couple of minutes in, he came down the left wing in what looked like a harmless one-on-one with a Marquette defenseman who had a comfortable cushion. Too comfortable, as it turned out. At the top of the circle, Morin curled to the center and wired a wrist shot that the Rangers' goaltender could only wave at.

Morin, who played in USA Hockey's under-17 program in Ann Arbor last year, was picked up by the national team that played in the world under-18s in Russia in April.

Morin hasn't made a verbal commitment to a U.S. college yet, and his rights are owned by the Kitchener Rangers, the defending champions of the Ontario Hockey League and one of the more respected programs in the major-junior ranks. There was some talk last winter that he'd opt out of Ann Arbor to play in Canadian junior hockey, but his father Steve told reporters there was "no chance" of landing him early.

"We made a two-year commitment, and he's going to live up to it," Steve said.

NHL scouts believe Jeremy Morin will land in the major-junior next season after making a stop on the stage on the Friday night of the NHL draft in June.

from dobber hockey

Comments: One needs to be careful when evaluating power forwards playing junior hockey. While NTDP product Jeremy Morin is a fearless competitor in every zone, at his current weight, he would be dead before the end of his first shift in the NHL. Fortunately, adding muscie is an all but expected part of the development process, and there's no second-guessing that Morin is but the second-best finisher in the Draft. His only major flaw is skating, but that should not be enough to drop him out of the top ten.

imo he sounds a lot like jerome iginla and i know there may be better players there at 10 but I can't see a player who would compliment hodgson as good as morin would. they could be the next hull and oates.

I admit i didnt know much about Morin, I am always leary of the USDP. They do not have the same competition as major juniour, its too bad he wouldnt leave to Kitchener until after the draft.

While he sounds like a very good PROSPECT, it seems like he is at least 3 or 4 years away....Hodgson to the opinion of most will be ready next season. I think @ 10 there are to many better players, especially with the number of d-men to be available. Also a future 1-2 punch of Hodgson/Glennie would look pretty nice. And Schenn could be there as well, a gritty do-it-all winger to work with Hodgson.

[chickenman92]

ilikecanucks, on Feb 3 2009, 10:20 AM, said:

I admit i didnt know much about Morin, I am always leary of the USDP. They do not have the same competition as major juniour, its too bad he wouldnt leave to Kitchener until after the draft.

While he sounds like a very good PROSPECT, it seems like he is at least 3 or 4 years away....Hodgson to the opinion of most will be ready next season. I think @ 10 there are to many better players, especially with the number of d-men to be available. Also a future 1-2 punch of Hodgson/Glennie would look pretty nice. And Schenn could be there as well, a gritty do-it-all winger to work with Hodgson.

i have to disagree with you about the usdp, their good kids are ready just as fast as good chl kids. look at erik johnson, jack johnson, kessel, kane(was there until he left for london), JVR could play right now imo. the only reason some take 4 years is because they stay in school. as for the level of competition imo it's around the same, chl plays talented 17-19 year olds where as the usdp play lower college's mostly so they play 19-22 year olds a lot of the time. where the chl does have a big step up is that they play 70 games and the usdp plays around 40. i think that helps with them being more ready for a 82 game nhl schedule.

I also think morin will go to the ohl next year, it's kinda funny that he hasn't picked a college yet and i think he want to get to the nhl as fast as possible. i think 1 year in the ohl and he'll be ready to step into the nhl in the 10/11 season.

This post has been edited by chickenman92: 03 February 2009 - 12:08 PM

[ilikecanucks]

The previous USDP players you mentioned were much more highly touted than Morin. While I admit I clearly dont favour US development program I will concede that there are many gems to come out of that system....but for Morin to be considered as a potential power forward and only being 173lbs, I definately think that there is more than a years worth of seasoning to be done on this kid. Not saying it would be a horrible pick, but at 10 ( i hope we pick at least 6 picks after 10) I think we could land something better and closer to the NHL. Not saying I accept our pick to jump right in and play.

I really enjoyed the article however and I will be keeping a closer eye on Morin.


I dont always agree with Central Scouting, but even they have him closer to 20 - not even the highest ranked player on the US-U18's.

Do you have any insight on Palmieri?

Thanks again Chickenman,

[chickenman92]

ilikecanucks, on Feb 3 2009, 12:38 PM, said:

The previous USDP players you mentioned were much more highly touted than Morin. While I admit I clearly dont favour US development program I will concede that there are many gems to come out of that system....but for Morin to be considered as a potential power forward and only being 173lbs, I definately think that there is more than a years worth of seasoning to be done on this kid. Not saying it would be a horrible pick, but at 10 ( i hope we pick at least 6 picks after 10) I think we could land something better and closer to the NHL. Not saying I accept our pick to jump right in and play.

I really enjoyed the article however and I will be keeping a closer eye on Morin.


I dont always agree with Central Scouting, but even they have him closer to 20 - not even the highest ranked player on the US-U18's.

Do you have any insight on Palmieri?

Thanks again Chickenman,

Kyle Palmieri is a 5-10, 180-pound right wing who is a teammate of Calabrese and Fowler with USA Hockey's National Team Development Program's Under-18 team. A highly skilled offensive player, Palmieri makes things happen on the ice. An offensive catalyst, he has a strong game at both ends of the ice. Last season, he started the year with the Under-17 team but moved up to the Under-18 squad. In 66 games between the two teams, Palmieri had 29 goals and 19 assists for 48 points. This season, he has five goals and four assists for nine points in 19 games. At the Four Nations Tournament in early November, he was second to Fowler in scoring with two goals and two assists in four games. His two goals were game-winning goals. The New Jersey native played hockey at St. Peter's Prep in 2006-07 where he had 22 goals and 36 assists for 58 points and was an all-state selection by the Star-Ledger. He also competed with the New Jersey Devils Under-16 team. Palmieri is projected to be a late first round pick in this year's 2009 NHL Entry Draft and is ranked 28th overall among all draft eligible players in the November edition of Red Line Report.

Jackson on Palmieri: "Kyle is a dynamic player who plays with a lot of jam. He's offensively skilled with excellent hockey instincts and is a fierce competitor. Kyle is one of those players that makes things happen on the ice. He has a great shot and has shown the propensity for scoring big goals at timely points of the game."

imo palmieri is a better skater and better all around player then morin but morin is a pure scorer.

[ilikecanucks]

Thanks for the notes on Palmieri....

Here's a question?

Who do you take @ 10 if Glennie and Morin are there? Hypothetically speaking, because I think if we dont get one of the top 9 guys, we are taking a d-man. You are doing a good salesmen job on Morin, as I like his pure scoring ability over Kassian's, but I think we already have Grabner who has the pure scoring ability to fit on a line with Hodgson, and they already seemed to have quite a bit of chemistry during the rookie games in the preseason.

Unrelated I voted for Ellis, but I am skeptical of his size? This guy is putting up huge points on a stacked team? He wont be in the NHL for at least 3 years, but he still has the potential to grow? Kulikov and Depres are a lot closer to being NHL ready IMO, but will they have better careers? Who knows?

If we draft Kulikov maybe we can somehow convince Koltsov to come over, I would love that, he could play for us right now.

I hope Schroeder drops to us if we are @ 10. Reminds of a Brule with a bit less physicallity and an unreal shot.

Where do you find the links for those scouting reports?

Can you give me your thoughts on Mcnabb from Kootenay, seen him play a few times, seems to be of the late bloomer variety, is he worth a 2nd round pick @ 40.

[timw33]

ilikecanucks, on Feb 3 2009, 01:18 PM, said:

Thanks for the notes on Palmieri....

Here's a question?

Who do you take @ 10 if Glennie and Morin are there? Hypothetically speaking, because I think if we dont get one of the top 9 guys, we are taking a d-man. You are doing a good salesmen job on Morin, as I like his pure scoring ability over Kassian's, but I think we already have Grabner who has the pure scoring ability to fit on a line with Hodgson, and they already seemed to have quite a bit of chemistry during the rookie games in the preseason.

Unrelated I voted for Ellis, but I am skeptical of his size? This guy is putting up huge points on a stacked team? He wont be in the NHL for at least 3 years, but he still has the potential to grow? Kulikov and Depres are a lot closer to being NHL ready IMO, but will they have better careers? Who knows?

If we draft Kulikov maybe we can somehow convince Koltsov to come over, I would love that, he could play for us right now.

I hope Schroeder drops to us if we are @ 10. Reminds of a Brule with a bit less physicallity and an unreal shot.

Where do you find the links for those scouting reports?

Can you give me your thoughts on Mcnabb from Kootenay, seen him play a few times, seems to be of the late bloomer variety, is he worth a 2nd round pick @ 40.

I'd probably go with Morin at 10 if it was him and Glennie, Morin is one of the purest scorers in this draft.

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Nazem Kadri is the man.

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Trade up for DUCHENE!

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WestCoastSniper, on Feb 3 2009, 07:22 PM, said:

Trade up for DUCHENE!

Give What our 1st, 2nd, and 3rd to get Duchesne or grab one of those good d-man or Morin/Glennie/Kassian/Holland @ 10

I say restock the cupboard and dont trade up unless your getting Hedman or Tavares

This post has been edited by ilikecanucks: 03 February 2009 - 06:40 PM

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Trade players like Bieksa at the deadline not picks. (rights to sedins... etc), Raymond

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The problem with Ellis is he'll be the biggest HIT or MISS of the top 10. He is an average skater, small size with AMAZING vision and offensive instincts. I'd rather pick someone else even if he turns out to be the next OMG KOPITAR.

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Dortmund, on Feb 3 2009, 06:42 PM, said:

The problem with Ellis is he'll be the biggest HIT or MISS of the top 10. He is an average skater, small size with AMAZING vision and offensive instincts. I'd rather pick someone else even if he turns out to be the next OMG KOPITAR.

Yeah, I'm really not sold on Ellis right now either.

His size and lack of elite skating are a large concern. That and he plays on a ridiculously stacked OHL team. That and he really only played the PP for team Canada.

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Something i found on John Moore, i really like this guy

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I just can't say enough about Moore, although not really in the Carlson mode. Not as physical as Carlson but much more mobile and I don't think he's as heavy as Carlson is yet........

At 6ft 3in 190 lbs an absolutely freakish skater who's game is identical to NHL Blackhawk Duncan Keith's, without his defensive skill of course. A very heavy accurate slapshot he controls nicely keeping it usually 2 ft or less off the ice. He's had a hattrick this year. Excellent puck skills as he can carry the puck end to end whenever he chooses and is very difficult to knock off the puck. If there were shootouts in the USHL I'm positive he would be one of the best the Steel had. Strong behind the net fighting for the puck and uses good leverage. Good outlet passer and sees the ice very well. Many times he threads the needle with a pass to a forward at the opponent blueline from his own zone.

Defensively his biggest problem is positioning at times. He seems to lose his man on switches and plays too conservatively in his own end IMO not going after pucks along the 1/2 wall when he could get to them. He's much too good a skater to stay home so much in his zone, but I would guess he's following coaches orders.

Not seeing other leagues besides the USHL I'm hesitant to guess what round the Colorado College bound Moore would go in the draft. I can't imagine too many, if any, other defensive prospects skating better than Moore and with the height to put on more weight and his puck skills I could easily see him a 1st rounder.

FYI he's paired with 2008 3rd round Red Wing Dman Max Nicastro at times. Last year Steel Dman Will Weber was a 2nd round Columbus pick. With Coach Poapst playing D in the NHL and allowing his Dmen great freedom offensively it looks as though top defensive prospects are attracted to the Steel. NHL Dmen Steve Smith (his son left this year for the OHL) and Ulf Sammuelson (Phillipe is still with the team as a 17 year old but will probably leave for the OHL after this year) have sent their sons to the Steel.

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From what I've read, Moore isn't that good at positioning, even though he can skate backwards really well. Despite this, good gap control, decent acceleration, strong lateral movement, and agile with good turns. Unfortunately, a bit like Raymond in that regard - gets himself stuck in a corner. Strong passing, and good at one-touch passes, deking, and can recover from a bad pinch (if he makes one). Plays PP and PK, assistant captain. But yeah, loses positioning, and doesn't hit enough. Offensive awareness is not as good as Carlson at this point.

Sounds like a mid to late 1st rounder.

[chickenman92]

timw33, on Feb 3 2009, 07:56 PM, said:

Yeah, I'm really not sold on Ellis right now either.

His size and lack of elite skating are a large concern. That and he plays on a ridiculously stacked OHL team. That and he really only played the PP for team Canada.

he's not a bad skater. he was one of the best skaters at the prospects game. the day before they put everyone through 9 basic skating drills and he placed 1st in 5 of them. what ellis lacks as far as his skating is the breakaway top end speed. if you go by cornering, stopping, starting and accelerating he's right there with anyone. i still would pass on him unless we're picking around 18-22 and he's there. mainly due to his size.

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