[A.Burrows#14]

pretty good

[Rey]

ilikecanucks, on May 28 2009, 03:37 PM, said:

In your opinion!

Schroeder is #9 in THN draft preview, OEL is #13.

I think all that Murray talk is just posturing, trying to find someone to trade up for his pick so he can acquire depth to his diminishing prospect pool.

The are probably thinner at forward then defense anyways.

Its all hearsay anyways, when thinking they are talking about OEL. You never know, they may have found another Alex Edler in the weeds. Especially, when you see in the quote, that he will be talked about later.

ISS has OEL at 9th, Schroeder at 14th.


When he said, in the later rounds. He meant a player that would likely not be drafted before their position. Hedman is a spectacular talent. There are 29 other teams and several of scouts around the world. If there was a player that could potentially be better than Hedman, they aren't going to be the only team to know.


Again. Teams usually pick the best player available. According to Ottawa scouts and Murray, If a player is potentially better than Hedman. There won't be another player better available on the board.

This post has been edited by Rey: 28 May 2009 - 08:10 PM

[ilikecanucks]

Rey, on May 28 2009, 08:07 PM, said:

ISS has OEL at 9th, Schroeder at 14th.


When he said, in the later rounds. He meant a player that would likely not be drafted before their position. Hedman is a spectacular talent. There are 29 other teams and several of scouts around the world. If there was a player that could potentially be better than Hedman, they aren't going to be the only team to know.


Again. Teams usually pick the best player available. According to Ottawa scouts and Murray, If a player is potentially better than Hedman. There won't be another player better available on the board.

Exactly, a players ranking is based on opinion. I dont think its that far fetched to think the Sens would select Schroeder, that was my point.

OEL could very well be the target, but GM's like to make statements like that all the time, it drives up the value of their pick.

about the mock: I think Ryan Howse is about 20 spots too high.

[SuperSakic]

we should go after rundblad, de haan , erixon(sp?), or BPA like jacob josefson ppl have him dropping to us
which would be awesome

[Rey]

ilikecanucks, on May 28 2009, 09:34 PM, said:

Exactly, a players ranking is based on opinion. I dont think its that far fetched to think the Sens would select Schroeder, that was my point.

OEL could very well be the target, but GM's like to make statements like that all the time, it drives up the value of their pick.

about the mock: I think Ryan Howse is about 20 spots too high.

GM's don't make those type of statements all the time at all. There is no point in upping their value of their pick. There are virtually no teams that want to trade down their draft picks nor do those statements want to make GM's above the 9th overall position drop down.

BTW - whats with you anyways trying to reply to all my post and trying to prove me wrong or something. Then when you can't respond back, you try to make a smart comment which ends up changing your first reply to begin with and attempt to change the topic.




Everything is based on opinion. Your a nobody. I'm a nobody. Everyone on this site is a nobody. Thus, this is called a mock draft. Murray has come out and has told the media that he is interested in a defense man in Europe. That is called a source, something that you don't have. Why bother replying with pointless arguments that lead to nothing. You may enjoy this, but I do not like myself associated with you. You can't accept the fact that I think you know nothing about hockey so you attempt to prove a point. Your ego will always block yourself from finding and figuring the truth. This is a Canucks board. Hockey site. I don't care about what others think about me. I'm here to share my views and you can ignore me if all i care. You can be "right" if that's what your following me around and replying to my responses. You want a medal for it? I find it amazing that you are able to post replies, with mere seconds after i post. You've been on this site 24/7. I saw this loser fat(I'd estimate around 300-400 pound) guy during my experiences with different universitys and colleges, who sits in the corner alone and goes on CDC all the time. Is that you?

Nonetheless. Don't expect me to respond to you anymore because it's not worth my time.

This post has been edited by Rey: 28 May 2009 - 10:58 PM

[ilikecanucks]

Rey, on May 28 2009, 10:52 PM, said:

GM's don't make those type of statements all the time at all. There is no point in upping their value of their pick. There are virtually no teams that want to trade down their draft picks nor do those statements want to make GM's above the 9th overall position drop down.

BTW - whats with you anyways trying to reply to all my post and trying to prove me wrong or something. Then when you can't respond back, you try to make a smart comment which ends up changing your first reply to begin with and attempt to change the topic.



Everything is based on opinion. Your a nobody. I'm a nobody. Everyone on this site is a nobody. Thus, this is called a mock draft. Murray has come out and has told the media that he is interested in a defense man in Europe. That is called a source, something that you don't have. Why bother replying with pointless arguments that lead to nothing. You may enjoy this, but I do not like myself associated with you. You can't accept the fact that I think you know nothing about hockey so you attempt to prove a point. Your ego will always block yourself from finding and figuring the truth. This is a Canucks board. Hockey site. I don't care about what others think about me. I'm here to share my views and you can ignore me if all i care. You can be "right" if that's what your following me around and replying to my responses. You want a medal for it? I find it amazing that you are able to post replies, with mere seconds after i post. You've been on this site 24/7. I saw this loser fat(I'd estimate around 300-400 pound) guy during my experiences with different universitys and colleges, who sits in the corner alone and goes on CDC all the time. Is that you?

Nonetheless. Don't expect me to respond to you anymore because it's not worth my time.

you talk about things as if you know they are facts, i posted in this thread that I dont see any problem with having schroeder over OEL. it has nothing to do with you.

its funny you feel the need to attack me, when all I do is comment on hockey threads, until I am insulted, which you tend to do a lot of.

you have a source that say a defensman from europe....how in any way does that equate to OEL? it s pure speculation.

ray, i have no problem with the majority of your posts, i dont understand why you think i would only reply to your posts. I actually agree with a lot of things you say (patrick white as an example), Im not looking for your response, Im looking for active discussions in a hockey discussion forum.

whatever you believe thats fine, but if you cant handle other opinions, maybe you shouldnt be involved in a public forum like this, because anytime I say anything, its stupid, we are obviously both stubborn and believe we are right most of the time. at least i think i can accept when im not, and not have to come up with childish responses like calling me fat, or saying i cant understand english etc, etc,

its funny you are calling me out for being on here 24/7, i will admit i have spent too much time on here today, but in your 3 months on here you have come up with half as many posts as i have in almost 4 years. i enjoy CDC, but i dislike your know it all, my way or the highway attitude.

if ego is an issue, i think it would be on your side.



Sorry to subject the readers on CDC to another off topic tirade of uselessness, by myself and Ray. I apologize for turning an excellent mock draft thread into childish drivel, but "he started it" lol.
ON with some hockey talk....Schroeder over OEL is realistic, I see no problem with that call Eternal Captain(its easier than your new name).

This post has been edited by ilikecanucks: 28 May 2009 - 11:17 PM

[Oats101]

interesting pick for the nucks in the 2nd.
this haula kid seems like he could be a bit of a darkhorse?
check this out if anyones interested E.H.Article

[CoHo_Grabner2010]

timw33, on May 28 2009, 01:24 AM, said:

Why wouldn't they take a forward?

If the BPA is a forward, you take him.

well if you seen them play this past year,you would realize why it is essential they take a d-man,especially one that could possibly be ready to play within a year

[ilikecanucks]

CoHo_Grabner2010, on May 29 2009, 11:35 AM, said:

well if you seen them play this past year,you would realize why it is essential they take a d-man,especially one that could possibly be ready to play within a year

Personally, I dont think picking a draft pick should have anything to do with being ready to play in a year. Its been said time and time again, you get a 4th line guy who is ready, but a 1st line guy who needs to develop....Who would you choose?

HOnestly, I think if it came down to a defensman and a forward who were both highly thought of by the scouting staff, it is likely the Canucks would take the MOBILE defensman.

A player like de Haan may likely take 3-5 years to make an impact in the NHL, but when he gets there he could be a top 4 defensman for 15 years.

Whereas, you get a guy like Carter Ashton or Zack kassian, both have frames that could project to the NHL sooner, but their potential may not be as high.

Last years play has really no standing. When the Canucks selected Patrick WHite in 2007, they did so because they were thin at centre in the NHL, 2 years later centre was probably our deepest position with players like Henrik, Sundin, Kesler, Wellwood, Johnson, Demitra. That would be the exact reason not to select a player based on needs at the NHL level.

Devils advocate to my continued statements that I want a d-man in the 1st would be.....what happens if we sign Scott Niedermayer and/or J-Bo...would we be that thin on Mobile defensman, NO!

1st round picks are generally made with a 5-10 year outlook, teams have plans. Plans can change I understand that, but only Gillis and his staff really know what they have planned for the next decade.

All that being said, Rundblad, de Haan, Erixon, MOore, and Elliott would be excellent additions to the Canucks.

One player I think who continually falls under the radar is Louis Leblanc, I think he could be there when we pick, is intelligent (Harvard anyone), is tenacious, can skate, score, and rarely gets outworked. This is one forward I would take over a defensman if I had the choice. I have seen him ranked anywhere from 11-35, i think he will be a good one.

[Fatman]

Has MG gone oversees to do scouting himself outside of NA?

Pasquale may be the first goaltender gone and maybe in the first round, but highly doubt its NYR who'll take him.

I like Canucks taking De Haan if he's still available. Would really help our defensive depth in the cupboard. Has that puck-moving ability and smarts that I'd probably compare to Kronwall. But his physical game or "edge" that Kronwall has hardly applys to De Haan. He seems a bit passive.

If De Haan isn't available I'd really like the Canucks to look at Budish, Panik, Erixon, Elliot, or Caron.

[lilgordo]

very nice draft i think leddy will go in the 1st round but still very good. I also like the erik haula selection for the canucks i think he could be sick playmaker one day

[Fatman]

Rey, on May 28 2009, 10:52 PM, said:

GM's don't make those type of statements all the time at all. There is no point in upping their value of their pick. There are virtually no teams that want to trade down their draft picks nor do those statements want to make GM's above the 9th overall position drop down.

BTW - whats with you anyways trying to reply to all my post and trying to prove me wrong or something. Then when you can't respond back, you try to make a smart comment which ends up changing your first reply to begin with and attempt to change the topic.




Everything is based on opinion. Your a nobody. I'm a nobody. Everyone on this site is a nobody. Thus, this is called a mock draft. Murray has come out and has told the media that he is interested in a defense man in Europe. That is called a source, something that you don't have. Why bother replying with pointless arguments that lead to nothing. You may enjoy this, but I do not like myself associated with you. You can't accept the fact that I think you know nothing about hockey so you attempt to prove a point. Your ego will always block yourself from finding and figuring the truth. This is a Canucks board. Hockey site. I don't care about what others think about me. I'm here to share my views and you can ignore me if all i care. You can be "right" if that's what your following me around and replying to my responses. You want a medal for it? I find it amazing that you are able to post replies, with mere seconds after i post. You've been on this site 24/7. I saw this loser fat(I'd estimate around 300-400 pound) guy during my experiences with different universitys and colleges, who sits in the corner alone and goes on CDC all the time. Is that you?

Nonetheless. Don't expect me to respond to you anymore because it's not worth my time.

I see nothing wrong in what ilikecanucks said. Its in the eye of the beholder. Your looking at it as an offensive remark. Chill out a bit.

And your logic has been terrible through a lot of your posts. For example, the bolded statement, are a GM? Can you explain why the Islanders decided to pass on Filatov, Schenn, Wilson or Hodgson for that matter. Or rather, can you speak for all GMs and exactly know that Senators want OEL at the 9th pick? Or maybe they like him better than the rest of the league but have Schroeder up on their list just as high? Or maybe he's trying to drive up OEL's value so that another valuable player will drop down instead? Who knows? You could be right after all. But so could ilikecanucks.

Arguments do not begin with one ego and another humble. Two egos clash to create an argument. Its an essential element to many arguments that most therapists can almost always easily dissect.

The last bolded statement... way to go, you showed him. You've bounced around different universities and colleges to find the same heavy man in "the corner" on this site 24/7. As a therapist your way too quick to pull your trigger and assess judgment before introspecting on your own position.

[Champions of Nothing]

CoHo_Grabner2010, on May 29 2009, 11:35 AM, said:

well if you seen them play this past year,you would realize why it is essential they take a d-man,especially one that could possibly be ready to play within a year

Erik Karlsson?

[AK-47]

Rey, on May 27 2009, 10:49 PM, said:

eh, Ottawa isn't going to draft a Forward. Pretty sure Ottawa already has their eyes on OEL. I like how Detroit ends up picking the best players.

they ARE going to take a forward

they just got a gem in Karlsson in the first round, this year its going to be a forward, unless they can find a defensive dman (not a pp quarterback) but Karlsson fits the offensive dman role perfectly
EDIT - *the guy before me just got*


nice mock btw, i dont like the de haan pick tho

This post has been edited by AK-47: 30 May 2009 - 03:25 PM

[Rey]

Champions of Nothing, on May 30 2009, 11:33 AM, said:

Erik Karlsson?

Do you know that Erik Karlsson is one defense man. There is 6-7 defense man positions on a every day NHL roster.


Bryan Murray said on OTR that he will pick the Best player available. It would not be surprising if it turns into a defense man, especially in the 9th round were both Oliver Ekman Larson, Jared Cowan, Dmitry Kulikov, and some say after his memorial cup performance, Ryan Ellis are slotted. Erik Karlsson was a player who was rising incredibly during the later stages of the season and later ranked at the 30 positions. Larson is another defense man who's stock risen by a dramatic fashion.

Bob McKenzie was saying that a few GM's had Ekman on their list as the top 5 best player available. There is too much worry about Schroeder's size. If he was taller, he would arguably be a top 5 pick and he is impressing in the combine. I like Schroeder very much but if Murray does claim that he sees a defense man that could be better than Hedman. It would be absurd to pass that up.

Regardless it doesn't matter. We will see in a month. Can't wait

This post has been edited by Rey: 30 May 2009 - 04:51 PM

[Champions of Nothing]

Rey, on May 30 2009, 04:40 PM, said:

Do you know that Erik Karlsson is one defense man. There is 6-7 defense man positions on a every day NHL roster.


Bryan Murray said on OTR that he will pick the Best player available. It would not be surprising if it turns into a defense man, especially in the 9th round were both Oliver Ekman Larson, Jared Cowan, Dmitry Kulikov, and some say after his memorial cup performance, Ryan Ellis are slotted. Erik Karlsson was a player who was rising incredibly during the later stages of the season and later ranked at the 30 positions. Larson is another defense man who's stock risen by a dramatic fashion.

Bob McKenzie was saying that a few GM's had Ekman on their list as the top 5 best player available. There is too much worry about Schroeder's size. If he was taller, he would arguably be a top 5 pick and he is impressing in the combine. I like Schroeder very much but if Murray does claim that he sees a defense man that could be better than Hedman. It would be absurd to pass that up.

Regardless it doesn't matter. We will see in a month. Can't wait

Just a hint: if you want to have a serious quality hockey discussion, you probably should'nt belittle the people you are trying to have said discussion with.

If you just want to go around pumping yourself up by being a jerk to others, than ignore this comment and carry on.

Now back to the topic at hand. I am aware that there is more than one roster spot for defencemen. However, there are even more dedicated to forwards. And in my opinion, when you examine their current prospect pool, they currently have 2 quality defenceman (Lee, Karlsson) with potential for a third (Weircioch or however you spell it) yet only one scoring forward (Zubov). But my own investigation, it seems that a skilled forward would be higher on the list than a skilled defenceman.

[Sergei Shirokov]

Rey, on May 30 2009, 04:40 PM, said:

Do you know that Erik Karlsson is one defense man. There is 6-7 defense man positions on a every day NHL roster.


Bryan Murray said on OTR that he will pick the Best player available. It would not be surprising if it turns into a defense man, especially in the 9th round were both Oliver Ekman Larson, Jared Cowan, Dmitry Kulikov, and some say after his memorial cup performance, Ryan Ellis are slotted. Erik Karlsson was a player who was rising incredibly during the later stages of the season and later ranked at the 30 positions. Larson is another defense man who's stock risen by a dramatic fashion.

Bob McKenzie was saying that a few GM's had Ekman on their list as the top 5 best player available. There is too much worry about Schroeder's size. If he was taller, he would arguably be a top 5 pick and he is impressing in the combine. I like Schroeder very much but if Murray does claim that he sees a defense man that could be better than Hedman. It would be absurd to pass that up.

Regardless it doesn't matter. We will see in a month. Can't wait

Ottawa has alot of good young defensemen.

Campoli
Lee
Karlson
Bell
Picard

On top of:

Kuba
Phillips
Volchenkov
Smith

Aside from Folingno (Who will be great next year) They really really need some offensive help to take the load off of the Spezza line. Especially after losing Vermette.


Thats why its makes so much sense to draft schroeder.


Heatley Spezza Alferdon
Folingno Fisher Schroeder

[Rey]

mangopie1015, on May 30 2009, 10:33 PM, said:

Ottawa has alot of good young defensemen.

Campoli
Lee
Karlson
Bell
Picard

On top of:

Kuba
Phillips
Volchenkov
Smith

Aside from Folingno (Who will be great next year) They really really need some offensive help to take the load off of the Spezza line. Especially after losing Vermette.


Thats why its makes so much sense to draft schroeder.


Heatley Spezza Alferdon
Folingno Fisher Schroeder

Your not going to expect your first round pick to step in the NHL right away. None of those players are ready for prime time.

Contracts expire, and the only prospect that has top pair potential is Karlsson.

This post has been edited by Rey: 30 May 2009 - 11:23 PM

[Sergei Shirokov]

Rey, on May 30 2009, 10:49 PM, said:

Your not going to expect your first round pick to step in the NHL right away. None of those players are ready for prime time.

Contracts expire, and the only prospect that has top pair potential is Karlsson.

The only player not ready for prime time is Karlson. Theres a possibility he'll make the team next year as signed him to entry level contract.

Campoli and Lee are excellent mobile defensemen and will be expected to make a major contribution next season.

Picard was a decent pick up. Will probably be a top-six defensemen soon.

[Rey]

mangopie1015, on May 30 2009, 11:50 PM, said:

The only player not ready for prime time is Karlson. Theres a possibility he'll make the team next year as signed him to entry level contract.

Campoli and Lee are excellent mobile defensemen and will be expected to make a major contribution next season.

Picard was a decent pick up. Will probably be a top-six defensemen soon.

was referring to this year's first pick.(Shroeder, Larson, etc)

Rey, on May 30 2009, 10:49 PM, said:

Your not going to expect your first round pick to step in the NHL right away. None of those players are ready for prime time.

Contracts expire, and the only prospect that has top pair potential is Karlsson.

and again, Karlsson is the only one out of the prospects you listed to potentially become a top pair.

This post has been edited by Rey: 30 May 2009 - 11:59 PM