How good is Sergie Shirokov REALLY?

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#21 King of Anarchy

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Posted 17 June 2009 - 11:11 PM

He will likely put up 10-15 goals in his first season.

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Posted 17 June 2009 - 11:28 PM

King of Anarchy, on Jun 17 2009, 11:11 PM, said:

He will likely put up 10-15 goals in his first season.

I hope that's all he'll put up, so that fans don't go crazy when he isn't the next ovechkin.

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Posted 17 June 2009 - 11:53 PM

Kesler_Burrows, on Jun 17 2009, 11:08 PM, said:

I think he'll be a solid 3rd-2nd liner. His stats are pretty impressive because it's harder to score in the KHL and the other European leagues.... or thats just what i heard.

yeah theres no second assistg or something liek that

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Posted 18 June 2009 - 12:21 AM

georgeparrosesmustache, on Jun 17 2009, 11:53 PM, said:

yeah theres no second assistg or something liek that

wow i did'nt know that. If thats true, does anyone know why?

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Posted 18 June 2009 - 01:31 AM

i think if they give him some time in pre season he will score some pretty goals, i can just feel it

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Posted 18 June 2009 - 06:52 AM

Kesler_Burrows, on Jun 18 2009, 12:21 AM, said:

wow i did'nt know that. If thats true, does anyone know why?

The Russian hockey program emphasizes goal scoring and excellence rather than playmaking and team play.

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Posted 18 June 2009 - 08:12 AM

canucksvvoot, on Jun 18 2009, 01:37 AM, said:

damn, thats pretty freaken bad eh. see you probably cant skate or stick handle for sh*t

considering he is pretending to be Marian Hossa.. but you are too incompetent to realize this... therefore, his joke, that flew over your head, was saying that Shirokov was a little worse then Marian Hossa..

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Posted 18 June 2009 - 09:23 AM

C00KIES, on Jun 18 2009, 12:28 AM, said:

I hope that's all he'll put up, so that fans don't go crazy when he isn't the next ovechkin.

Canucks fans over inflate a player's potential?...... Never :rolleyes:

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Posted 18 June 2009 - 10:44 AM

Kesler_Burrows, on Jun 18 2009, 12:21 AM, said:

wow i did'nt know that. If thats true, does anyone know why?

I think it's because they make it so that an assist has to directly lead to a goal. So like if a defense-man hands the puck off to a forward behind the net, the forward then goes end-to-end and scores, that defense-man doesn't get an assist because does he really deserve it?

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Posted 18 June 2009 - 12:03 PM

Any stats that compare him to the other players in the KHL? I wonder if his point totals are as good as Radulov. If so, then this kid's good.

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Posted 18 June 2009 - 12:45 PM

Kesler_Burrows, on Jun 18 2009, 11:21 AM, said:

wow i did'nt know that. If thats true, does anyone know why?

We hand out 2nd assists, we are just way more strict about it than you guys are.

DontFlame, on Jun 18 2009, 11:03 PM, said:

Any stats that compare him to the other players in the KHL? I wonder if his point totals are as good as Radulov. If so, then this kid's good.

Morozov finished 3rd in the league in points with 32, 39, 71
Jagr finished 8th in the league in points with 25, 28, 53
Radulov finished 13th in the league in points with 22, 26, 48
Shirokov finished 24th in the league in points with 17, 23, 40

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Posted 18 June 2009 - 01:10 PM

LatviešuCanuck, on Jun 18 2009, 12:45 PM, said:

We hand out 2nd assists, we are just way more strict about it than you guys are.

Morozov finished 3rd in the league in points with 32, 39, 71
Jagr finished 8th in the league in points with 25, 28, 53
Radulov finished 13th in the league in points with 22, 26, 48
Shirokov finished 24th in the league in points with 17, 23, 40

So Shirikov is a step below guys that put up point per game or more numbers in the NHL? I like it, I like it a lot. Shows that he could be ready to jump into a second line role, IMO.

Also, in the highlight real shown, I noticed that Shirokov drove to the net more than I remember him doing in the World Juniors. As I remember he stayed more to the outside and dashed into the middle more in the WJC. If this highlight clip is an indication of how he plays regularly it looks like he is willing to go to the corners and drive the net now which I like.

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Posted 18 June 2009 - 01:28 PM

LatviešuCanuck, on Jun 18 2009, 12:45 PM, said:

I'm quite impressed. Based on these stats, Shirokov had 0.83 pts of Radulovs. If Radulov can score 58 pts in the NHL, then shirokov can score 48. This is all hypothetical that Shirokov can produce in North America like Radulov.

If you make the same calculations with Jagr, Shirokov had 0.75 pts of Jagr. If Jagr scored 71 pts in the last season that he played in the NHL, shirokov can score 54 points in the NHL. That's good enough to be around second line totals.

I just hope he has a smooth transition to the nhl.

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Posted 18 June 2009 - 02:43 PM

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I recently had the opportunity to speak with Kirill Starkov, a Columbus Blue Jackets draft pick who was teammates with Sergei Shirokov last season in Russia. Here's what Starkov had to say about Shirokov, who will likely join the Canucks organization next season:

"Shirokov is a very good person, a down to earth kind of guy. I actually don't know about his English but he is a smart kid. Personally, I think he has the right mind to make it in Canada. As a player, Shirokov is a great talent who loves to play hockey. He has great skill, very fast and comes out of tight situations. Shirokov is Russian in his style of play and how he thinks hockey. He's a very entertaining player to watch."

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Posted 18 June 2009 - 11:37 PM

C00KIES, on Jun 17 2009, 11:28 PM, said:

I hope that's all he'll put up, so that fans don't go crazy when he isn't the next ovechkin.

This is one of the dumbest posts I've ever seen. I realize Canuck fans go overboard with their projections of players, but to wish someone doesn't turn out to be a star (it's a possibility) is ridiculous. I wish you cheered for Calgary and that all your dreams would come true.

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Posted 19 June 2009 - 07:33 PM

I still have not seen a reliable source for this so called signing or heard anything about it on team 1040, sportnet, tsn ect ect nothing so please give a source. I am hoping this is true but until I hear it from gillis or sports resources I am not convinced.

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Posted 19 June 2009 - 09:03 PM

Canuckfan1968, on Jun 19 2009, 07:33 PM, said:

That's because it hasn't been confirmed. Shirokov is in court to get out of his contract with CSKA, he already lost once and appealed. So far no real word on his appeal but if you check CSKA website, Shirokov is on their 09-10 roster.

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Posted 19 June 2009 - 10:26 PM

Looks like he's unreal in shoot-outs which is good, we usually suck in shoot-outs.
I'm lovin' Shirokov's celi's too haha.
But he looks like a pretty good player, good hands, solid on his feet. I'm not sure if he will make the team this season, maybe play a year with the Moose and go from there.

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Posted 20 June 2009 - 05:15 PM

I thought his 2 years were up how the heck is it that he is on the roster.

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Posted 20 June 2009 - 07:02 PM

Canuckfan1968, on Jun 20 2009, 06:15 PM, said:

I thought his 2 years were up how the heck is it that he is on the roster.

KHL rules, which is why he is in court right now.

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