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Posted 08 November 2009 - 04:39 PM

<br />White: <br /><br />3G 3A in 8 games and strong plus/minus<br /><br />Schroeder:<br /><br /> 5A in 8 games and weak +/-.<br /><br /><br />I kind of wished we still had White even though Ehrhoff is becoming a great player for us.  <br /><br />Even though he never panned out like everyone was expecting, I always had a soft spot for him since he got treated so badly a aprt of me wanted to see him succeed.  I really hope he does turn out to be a good player for SJ.<br /><br />On a side note, maybe SJ knew what they were doing.  I'm pretty sure SJ could at least gotten something else for him, there must of been interest in Ehrhoff, especially since in Ottawa and NYR, where they have been dying for a good puck moving defensemen.  SJ is a smart organization and they wouldnt just give away a good d man to a convference rival without getting a good reutn.<br />

How did white get treated badly? The Canucks organization did everything they could to try and help him succeed, and were given nothing in return. If your talking about the fans treating him badly,I'm pretty he is oblivious to what people are saying about him on a Canucks forum.

I hope he does turn out to be a good player, I've got nothing against him. Plus he'll always be a canucks draft pick, and you never know he might decide to return some day. It's all about where the canucks are now though. We can't wait two or three more years for this guy to pan out, this team is built for winning now. Ehrhoff was probably the best possible return we could have gotten for White, and I'm stoked that we got him. He's probably my favourite defenceman on this team right now.
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Posted 08 November 2009 - 05:09 PM

White:

3G 3A in 8 games and strong plus/minus

Schroeder:

5A in 8 games and weak +/-.


I kind of wished we still had White even though Ehrhoff is becoming a great player for us.

Even though he never panned out like everyone was expecting, I always had a soft spot for him since he got treated so badly a aprt of me wanted to see him succeed. I really hope he does turn out to be a good player for SJ.

On a side note, maybe SJ knew what they were doing. I'm pretty sure SJ could at least gotten something else for him, there must of been interest in Ehrhoff, especially since in Ottawa and NYR, where they have been dying for a good puck moving defensemen. SJ is a smart organization and they wouldnt just give away a good d man to a convference rival without getting a good reutn.


Good post. I always wanted White to succeed simply because of the sheer number of people on CDC who labelled him a bust, and now I find it kind of funny that White is off to a decent start after we traded him to SJ. I mean c'mon, it's only been 2 years since he was drafted and he's already been called a bust?? Really?? If we give up on players this quickly, is it any wonder why the Canucks haven't been particularly good at drafting and won a Cup? Still, you have to give something to get something in return.

I agree though, SJ wasn't just looking to dump salary and call it a deal, no matter what their cap situation was like, especially when there were likely other teams apart from the Canucks who also had Ehrhoff on their radar. But I'd still do that trade in a heartbeat anyway.

Now I hope White succeeds simply because he's with Schroeder playing for the Gophers, and if he does well they're likely going to do well too. Also I hope he has a great season just to prove all his critics and haters wrong.
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Posted 08 November 2009 - 07:03 PM

I was thinking the same, but he only has one year on Schroeder, and although they really are two different players, Schroeder has been hyped up a lot more IMO than White ever was. I just have this crapty feeling that White could put up 35pts and 15-20 goals this year...good for him, but I would be choked!...although I would still make that trade anyday with SJ to get Erhoff - that guy is a stud on our back end and has some potential to still unlock.


Schroeder was drafted lower than expected and White was drafted ahead of expectations.

Schroeder will be a good pro.
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Posted 08 November 2009 - 07:26 PM

So what 6 points in 8 games in your third year is expected...
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Posted 08 November 2009 - 08:31 PM

I was thinking the same, but he only has one year on Schroeder, and although they really are two different players, Schroeder has been hyped up a lot more IMO than White ever was. I just have this crapty feeling that White could put up 35pts and 15-20 goals this year...good for him, but I would be choked!...although I would still make that trade anyday with SJ to get Erhoff - that guy is a stud on our back end and has some potential to still unlock.

he's 1.75 years older than Schroeder (who was the youngest player on the team last year).
I don't think San Jose has any plans for signing White, so if he actually turns it on and turns into a great player we may have a chance to get him back for free.
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Posted 08 November 2009 - 08:37 PM

Jordan Schroeder will be the Gophers best player again, Matson has been pretty consistent with his faceoffs.

## 	FACEOFFS 	GP 	W 	L 	Pct 
26 	Jay Barriball  	5 	1 	0 	1.000 
5  	Nick Leddy  	6 	1 	0 	1.000 
2  	Kevin Wehrs  	7 	1 	0 	1.000 
24 	Zach Budish  	8 	18 	7 	.720 
13 	Nico Sacchetti  	7 	29 	26 	.527 
9  	Taylor Matson  	8 	31 	28 	.525 
11 	Mike Hoeffel  	7 	1 	1 	.500 
19 	Jordan Schroeder  	8 	76 	78 	.494 
16 	Mike Carman  	8 	52 	58 	.473 
7  	Patrick White  	8 	25 	28 	.472 
18 	Nick Larson  	4 	12 	16 	.429 
12 	Tony Lucia  	8 	4 	7 	.364 
22 	Ryan Flynn  	8 	0 	3 	.000

Shots 	  	Penalties 	Goals 
## 	Name 	GP 	G 	A 	Pts 	Shots 	Pct 	+/- 	No-Min 	Min 	Maj 	Oth 	PP 	SH 	FG 	GW 	Gtg 	OT 	HT 	PN 	UA 
12 	Tony Lucia  	8 	4 	5 	9 	17 	.235 	+5 	4-8 	4 	0 	0 	0 	2 	1 	1 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 
7  	Patrick White  	8 	3 	3 	6 	15 	.200 	+3 	0-0 	0 	0 	0 	2 	0 	1 	1 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 
11 	Mike Hoeffel  	7 	4 	1 	5 	19 	.211 	+3 	1-2 	1 	0 	0 	0 	1 	0 	1 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 
19 	Jordan Schroeder  	8 	0 	5 	5 	20 	.000 	+1 	4-8 	4 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 
24 	Zach Budish  	8 	3 	1 	4 	13 	.231 	+2 	3-6 	3 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 
26 	Jay Barriball  	5 	2 	2 	4 	8 	.250 	+3 	5-10 	5 	0 	0 	0 	0 	1 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	1 
2  	Kevin Wehrs  	7 	1 	2 	3 	9 	.111 	+2 	5-10 	5 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 
9  	Taylor Matson  	8 	0 	3 	3 	5 	.000 	0 	1-2 	1 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 
27 	Brian Schack  	1 	1 	1 	2 	1 	1.000 	+1 	0-0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 
28 	Cade Fairchild  	8 	0 	2 	2 	18 	.000 	0 	6-12 	6 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 
20 	David Fischer  	8 	0 	2 	2 	8 	.000 	-3 	5-10 	5 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 
10 	Aaron Ness  	8 	1 	0 	1 	12 	.083 	-1 	3-6 	3 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 
16 	Mike Carman  	8 	0 	1 	1 	14 	.000 	-4 	6-15 	5 	1 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 
22 	Ryan Flynn  	8 	0 	1 	1 	8 	.000 	-2 	6-12 	6 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 
13 	Nico Sacchetti  	7 	0 	1 	1 	10 	.000 	-2 	2-4 	2 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 
23 	Josh Birkholz  	7 	0 	0 	0 	8 	.000 	0 	1-2 	1 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 
21 	Jake Hansen  	7 	0 	0 	0 	7 	.000 	-2 	5-10 	5 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 
4  	Seth Helgeson  	8 	0 	0 	0 	2 	.000 	+5 	5-10 	5 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 
18 	Nick Larson  	4 	0 	0 	0 	1 	.000 	0 	0-0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 
5  	Nick Leddy  	6 	0 	0 	0 	6 	.000 	0 	0-0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 
3  	Sam Lofquist  	3 	0 	0 	0 	5 	.000 	0 	3-6 	3 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 
15 	Joe Miller  	3 	0 	0 	0 	6 	.000 	+1 	1-2 	1 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0 	0

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Posted 08 November 2009 - 10:26 PM

he's 1.75 years older than Schroeder (who was the youngest player on the team last year).
I don't think San Jose has any plans for signing White, so if he actually turns it on and turns into a great player we may have a chance to get him back for free.


Why would you say they don't have plans to sign him? I might be a stone cold idiot but if White turns it on this year and next, Doug Wilson would have to be a complete moron to not sign the kid would he not?
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Posted 08 November 2009 - 11:15 PM

Why on earth wouldn't the Sharks sign the kid? They'd essentially have traded Ehrhoff for Rahimi in that case, and San Jose is pretty decent at drafting too - you'd think they would know what they were getting when they made that trade.
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Posted 09 November 2009 - 12:35 AM

Why on earth wouldn't the Sharks sign the kid? They'd essentially have traded Ehrhoff for Rahimi in that case, and San Jose is pretty decent at drafting too - you'd think they would know what they were getting when they made that trade.



By not signing him, San Jose will get a 2nd round Comp pick for him after his 4th year of College (Which is the deadline for college players). Some thinks this is the only reason why they traded Ehrhoff for someone as usless and as low in the debth charts as Patrick White was for the 2nd round pick which will be in the mid 50's apparently, but I could be wrong.
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Posted 09 November 2009 - 01:43 AM

By not signing him, San Jose will get a 2nd round Comp pick for him after his 4th year of College (Which is the deadline for college players). Some thinks this is the only reason why they traded Ehrhoff for someone as usless and as low in the debth charts as Patrick White was for the 2nd round pick which will be in the mid 50's apparently, but I could be wrong.


But I thought they'd have to at least make an effort to sign him first, otherwise I could see quite a few teams trading away players for prospects that have been labelled 'bust' in order to get compensatory picks just by not signing them. Or is it just me and it happens all the time? What kind of compensation do you get if you don't sign a prospect, say, from the CHL or European leagues and what deadlines would those be?
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Posted 09 November 2009 - 03:11 PM

White will still be a bust don't worry.
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Posted 09 November 2009 - 03:24 PM

But I thought they'd have to at least make an effort to sign him first, otherwise I could see quite a few teams trading away players for prospects that have been labelled 'bust' in order to get compensatory picks just by not signing them. Or is it just me and it happens all the time? What kind of compensation do you get if you don't sign a prospect, say, from the CHL or European leagues and what deadlines would those be?


I think it only applies to NCAA first round draft picks. I'm not positive though.
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Posted 11 November 2009 - 03:48 PM

But I thought they'd have to at least make an effort to sign him first, otherwise I could see quite a few teams trading away players for prospects that have been labelled 'bust' in order to get compensatory picks just by not signing them. Or is it just me and it happens all the time? What kind of compensation do you get if you don't sign a prospect, say, from the CHL or European leagues and what deadlines would those be?


That doesn't apply to NCAA players. Sharks don't have to offer white a contract and they get a 2nd round pick in the same spot white was taken in the 1st round, so 50th overall pick.
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Posted 11 November 2009 - 07:52 PM

But I thought they'd have to at least make an effort to sign him first, otherwise I could see quite a few teams trading away players for prospects that have been labelled 'bust' in order to get compensatory picks just by not signing them. Or is it just me and it happens all the time? What kind of compensation do you get if you don't sign a prospect, say, from the CHL or European leagues and what deadlines would those be?



You actualy don't have too even make a sheet offer. Apparently they can just say "we made an offer" and thats as good as it is. From what I know its the 55th pick for someone like Patrick White who was drafted 25.


That doesn't apply to NCAA players. Sharks don't have to offer white a contract and they get a 2nd round pick in the same spot white was taken in the 1st round, so 50th overall pick.


Patrick White is WCHA player.... do you mean drafted out of the NCAA or only NCAA players? I heard it applies to all college players....

Edited by SchroederDaShredder, 11 November 2009 - 07:55 PM.

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Posted 11 November 2009 - 08:17 PM

http://www.mndaily.c...eaks-his-future

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Posted 12 November 2009 - 05:30 AM

Schroeder will be a more successful and dominating player than White will ever be. Yes White is a point ahead of him, but he is also 2 years ahead in development. I admit, that is not much of an argument but it is a valid point to be made. Sure, the naysayers will say Schroeder is 3 goals behind, but on the flipside White is also 2 assists behind.

What I am trying to say is, Schroeder is not exactly lighting the world on fire but he is playing at a 0.67 ppg pace. It is the NCAA and not the NHL but if he can still take that kind of production to that NHL then that translates to a 55pt season. It is an EXTREMELY small sample size but hey.. its CDC. Now, comparingly in his rookie season he had: 13g 32a 45p in 35 gp which translates to a 1.3 ppg pace which means a 105pt season. not bad at all. again, this is if he can translate the production from the NCAA to the NHL. This does not mean he will, as I am sure their have been complete busts with a high ppg in the NCAA who become minor league fodder.

As a sample size, I am going to use his production of this season pro-rated to 82gp which would be 55pts.
Last season:

Name/Point total/Rank
Alex Frolov 59pt #62
Joe Pavelski 59pt #67
Scott Gomex 58pt #69
Chris Drury 56pt #75
Teemu Selanne 54pt #79
Kris Versteeg 53pt #85

Schroeder would be ranked 77 out of all forwards with 55pts. 3 first line forwards per team, 30 teams = 90 first line forwards.

This was not to say Schroeder is going to hit 105pt seasons or that P.White will light up the NHL one day. But it goes to show that there is no need to worry with such a young prospect who is only 18yr. For the record, I do not think White will ever tear up the NHL, and believe his ceiling to be a 3rd liner. As for Schroeder I see him as a 60-75pt elite winger (converting from centre) with point per game season's (80-90) in his prime. I see him as a St.Louis/P.Kane-light hybrid.
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Posted 12 November 2009 - 11:32 AM

Schroeder is one of our best prospects easily. I have no worries even with his slow start so far and will be an elite player one day. Parise type IMO.
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Posted 14 November 2009 - 04:45 PM

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Posted 14 November 2009 - 07:38 PM

Wtf is going on?!?!?!? Pat White with another 2 points. Schroeder with 0 in a 5-2 win.

Go to hell White!
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Posted 14 November 2009 - 07:44 PM

I'm guessing being traded had something to do with it.

Probably hit White pretty hard... that his hockey career is going down the drain.

Oh well we still have Erhoff.
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Posted 14 November 2009 - 08:04 PM

http://www.justin.tv/hockeyfor2day
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The key difference is that Sopel can fill in for Seabrook and Campbell just fine. Bieksa, he is garbage so in that sense he is like the worst defenseman in the league.


When Cody (Hodgson) gets older, he might be better than Datsyuk.


Let's not push this guy (Kassian). He's still immature, and if he fails on the 2nd line it's because he isn't ready. Some guys really need years to develop, it's how well and how fast players adapt to the game. In my opinion, I'd rather have Horvat getting 2nd line minutes. He will start off on the 3rd line next season but I see him making the transition, being a great compliment to whoever plays his wings.

At this point, I don't see Kassian fitting in to any role other than a 3rd. If players like Kassian start getting 2nd line minutes then we just stay inconsistent as a team.


The idiocy on CDC....

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Posted 14 November 2009 - 08:08 PM

Wtf is going on?!?!?!? Pat White with another 2 points. Schroeder with 0 in a 5-2 win.

Go to hell White!


What? that was last week dude...

right now they are up 2-1. White and Schroeder is pointless.

Edited by SchroederDaShredder, 14 November 2009 - 08:09 PM.

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Well, I , I feel very good about this draft, but I, I think, potentially you know were gonna have 3 or 4 NHL players out of this group, ummmm, you know like we are not going to prejudice to were they are from.

 

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Posted 14 November 2009 - 08:10 PM

What? that was last week dude... unless they won 5-2 again....


:unsure:Oh snap, my bad. There's still hope, because the game hasn't even started yet:P

I feel better now lol.
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Posted 14 November 2009 - 08:49 PM

great news boys, Schroeder with this 1st of the season B)

Patty White pointless and a minus 1 tonight.
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Well, I , I feel very good about this draft, but I, I think, potentially you know were gonna have 3 or 4 NHL players out of this group, ummmm, you know like we are not going to prejudice to were they are from.

 

-Jim Benning June 27, 2015 shortly after the completion of the 2015 NHL Entry draft in Miami Florida.


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Posted 14 November 2009 - 09:41 PM

great news boys, Schroeder with this 1st of the season B)

Patty White pointless and a minus 1 tonight.

nice i hope he gets it going soon
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Posted 14 November 2009 - 09:43 PM

Yes!
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Posted 14 November 2009 - 11:27 PM

nice i hope he gets it going soon

well, technically he's just got it going, hopefully he keeps it up :P

also, the team the gophers beat tonight (Bemidji State Beavers) was the last undefeated team in the NCAA.
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#478 Gnickers87

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Posted 18 November 2009 - 12:12 AM

Schroeder - 2 goals 5 assist in 10 games
Nick Leddy (16th Overall pick by the Wild) - 0 points in 5 games (currently injured)

I know it's early and Leddy is a defenseman, but seriously, what were the Wild thinking? The team needs just about everything when it comes to prospects, but they picked Tyler Cuma and Marco Scandella in 2008, so they at least had some defense. Schroeder just made sense for the Wild on so many levels it's not even funny.

Leddy is talented no doubt, but he is undersized and is a risky pick since he was chosen out of high-school.
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Posted 20 November 2009 - 07:18 PM

Schroeder with the first goal of the game so far (3 game sin a row now). Minnesota's up 2-1 right now.

Edited by avelanch, 20 November 2009 - 07:20 PM.

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Posted 20 November 2009 - 07:52 PM

3g 5a in 11 games

That's more like it.
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