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#2551 BuretoMogilny

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 06:56 AM

Yea, lets pass up on a potential Cammalleri type player, because we have a couple smaller players on our team. Genious.

Centers with Schroeder's hockey IQ and passing ability don't come around all the time. What he lacks in size and strength, he makes up for in speed and awareness. He has an amazing wrist shot, can run a powerplay, and can even pk now.

The Canucks would be dumb to not at least see what this guy can bring at the NHL level. At the very least they should be trying to turn him into an asset we can trade for value.


Martin St Louis was cut by the Ottawa Senators in his first camp, then signed with Calgary and we all know how little he is, and how big he has played....size doesn't matter, its speed, skill strength, Schroeder has all of those, so his success is up to him and the oppty.
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Posted 21 September 2012 - 01:07 AM

I think as long as he's not paired with smallish/soft wingers he should be fine in the NHL

I'd have loved to see this

Sedin Sedin Burrows
Higgins Kesler Hansen
Booth Schroeder Kassian
Lapierre Malholtra Raymond/Pinozotto

IMO Booth would benefit more from a playmaking centre.
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Posted 21 September 2012 - 02:48 AM

^ Agreed.
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Posted 23 September 2012 - 07:49 PM

Jordan Schroeder or Brendan Gallagher?
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Posted 24 September 2012 - 02:22 PM

New article in the Province on him.

http://blogs.theprov...-for-schroeder/

VANCOUVER — In the spring of 2011 when the Manitoba Moose were eliminated from the AHL playoffs, the Vancouver Canucks summoned a number of players. Jordan Schroeder was not one of them. Quite frankly, he didn’t deserve to be because he struggled to make the tough transition from college to pro.

In the fall of 2012, the diminutive centre deserves a shot at sticking in NHL should the season not be lost to a lockout. After a 21-goal season with the Chicago Wolves and growing his game with and without the puck to become more confident than concerned about meeting first-round 2009 draft pick expectations, Schroeder may help help solve a riddle in the middle.
“I know in his exit meetings with [Canucks assistant general manager] Lorne Henning and [Wolves coach] Craig MacTavish that they sort of hinted to him that he probably deserved to come up to the NHL during the last season, but circumstances didn’t make it happen,” said Canucks coach Alain Vigneault. “But he’s pretty high on our list.”

Pretty high for a number of reasons. With Ryan Kesler sidelined until December by offseason shoulder and wrist surgeries and unrestricted free agent Samme Pahlsson returning to his native Sweden to play for Modo before suffering an Achilles rupture, the Canucks must get creative. Especially if a new collective bargaining agreement significantly reduces the salary cap ceiling and a veteran isn’t added via free agency. It’s not just the perfect storm for Schroeder — his NHL cap hit would be just $1.025 million US — but it would also repay the minor-league tutelage of Scott Arniel, Claude Noel and MacTavish. And playing for Arniel in Chicago while awaiting an NHL resolution will only improve his learning curve.

“I’m trying not to put a lot of pressure on myself, although it’s kind of hard not to,” admitted Schroeder, who turns 22 Saturday and has yet to play an NHL regular-season game. “When my time and opportunity comes, I’m going to try and grab it. My confidence is pretty good right now and I’m comfortable now being a pro.”

It wasn’t always that way. Self-doubt surfaces when you’re the 22nd pick in 2009 who had to grow out of his University of Minnesota comfort zone — much like Cory Schneider had to do after leaving Boston College — and mature. By getting better with and without the puck, he might make it as a third-line NHL centre because Schroeder shed the peripheral-player label and will be more effective if he attacks and doesn’t wait for Grade A chances or open nets. The attitude adjustment turned around a slow start in which Schroeder had just five goals in his first 24 games last season.

“I learned the small things about being a pro and what it takes every single night,” said Schroeder. “Coach MacTavish really helped me being responsible on the defensive side and from there the offence kind of came. I was a plus-10, but one area was shooting the puck more and I had almost 100 more shots than I did a year ago. I feel like I could have been close to 30 goals with the opportunities I had.

“I’m really trying to improve on burying the puck. You’ve got to work to get in front of the net and get some tips and some dirty goals. The skilled plays are going to come when they’re there. Everybody is so good at the next level that the small details stand out.”

Standing out is harder when you’re 5-foot-8. However, Schroeder doesn’t have to look far for inspiration in Minnesota native and close friend Zach Parise. He played just 13 games two seasons ago after being sidelined by knee surgery and then responded with a 31-goal season that earned a free-agent windfall, a 13-year, $98 million deal from the Wild. Parise is 5-foot-11 and 185 pounds but plays much bigger and tougher.

“I’ve got to use my speed to create offence,” said Schroeder. “And use my smarts. I’m not going out-physical anyone, but I’m pretty strong on my skates and I can handle myself in the corners. I don’t want to get tied up. I want to be free and loose and move out there as much as possible.”

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 04:49 PM

Jordan Schroeder or Brendan Gallagher?


hmmmmm... a player with almost 200 games of pro experience and leading scorer of the American WJHC.... or a player who was a 5th round pick.
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Posted 24 September 2012 - 06:16 PM

“I’m really trying to improve on burying the puck. You’ve got to work to get in front of the net and get some tips and some dirty goals. The skilled plays are going to come when they’re there. Everybody is so good at the next level that the small details stand out.

That's what I like to hear from a skilled prospect like him - he realizes that at this level, everyone is skilled and it's unlikely that he'll reach that level with skill (likes of the Sedins, Datsyuk, Crosby, Malkin, Giroux, Stamkos, St. Louis, etc), and that it is those little things that will make the difference for him and make him succeed in the NHL.

Though, I think he has the potential to be a good top 6 player, I don't think he'll be a superstar as those above mentioned. And the way to become a top 6 player is to pay attention to those details - that's what sets apart good top 6 players from mediocre ones.
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Posted 24 September 2012 - 09:51 PM

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 02:20 AM

I don't think we should write off Billy Sweatt either. His partnership with Schroeder looks almost Sedin like. Sweatt got a chance last season but I think it was a bit early for him...........and I think he will have learned a lot from the chance.
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Posted 25 September 2012 - 12:50 PM

I don't think we should write off Billy Sweatt either. His partnership with Schroeder looks almost Sedin like. Sweatt got a chance last season but I think it was a bit early for him...........and I think he will have learned a lot from the chance.


Yea, Sweatt and Schroeder had unreal chemistry. They both compliment each other very well.

Sweatt just needs to work on his defensive game a bit more and get some more finish. He would have had way more points than he did if he could just bury the puck more often.
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Posted 25 September 2012 - 12:57 PM

I hope Jordan turns out to be a good second liner. He will develop, but you have to give him time. He had a really hard jump from junior to pro hockey. Jumping from AHL to NHL for him will be another big jump, hopefully he starts putting up killer numbers with the wolves, and hopefully he adjusts well when he gets into the NHL. All we can do is wait to see how he does over the next year or so here.
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Posted 26 September 2012 - 07:09 PM

Schroeder made the front page of AHL.com today with a link to a good article on his upcoming season:

http://blogs.theprov...-for-schroeder/

VANCOUVER — In the spring of 2011 when the Manitoba Moose were eliminated from the AHL playoffs, the Vancouver Canucks summoned a number of players. Jordan Schroeder was not one of them. Quite frankly, he didn’t deserve to be because he struggled to make the tough transition from college to pro.

In the fall of 2012, the diminutive centre deserves a shot at sticking in NHL should the season not be lost to a lockout. After a 21-goal season with the Chicago Wolves and growing his game with and without the puck to become more confident than concerned about meeting first-round 2009 draft pick expectations, Schroeder may help help solve a riddle in the middle.

“I know in his exit meetings with [Canucks assistant general manager] Lorne Henning and [Wolves coach] Craig MacTavish that they sort of hinted to him that he probably deserved to come up to the NHL during the last season, but circumstances didn’t make it happen,” said Canucks coach Alain Vigneault. “But he’s pretty high on our list.”

Pretty high for a number of reasons. With Ryan Kesler sidelined until December by offseason shoulder and wrist surgeries and unrestricted free agent Samme Pahlsson returning to his native Sweden to play for Modo before suffering an Achilles rupture, the Canucks must get creative. Especially if a new collective bargaining agreement significantly reduces the salary cap ceiling and a veteran isn’t added via free agency. It’s not just the perfect storm for Schroeder — his NHL cap hit would be just $1.025 million US — but it would also repay the minor-league tutelage of Scott Arniel, Claude Noel and MacTavish. And playing for Arniel in Chicago while awaiting an NHL resolution will only improve his learning curve.

“I’m trying not to put a lot of pressure on myself, although it’s kind of hard not to,” admitted Schroeder, who turns 22 Saturday and has yet to play an NHL regular-season game. “When my time and opportunity comes, I’m going to try and grab it. My confidence is pretty good right now and I’m comfortable now being a pro.”

It wasn’t always that way. Self-doubt surfaces when you’re the 22nd pick in 2009 who had to grow out of his University of Minnesota comfort zone — much like Cory Schneider had to do after leaving Boston College — and mature. By getting better with and without the puck, he might make it as a third-line NHL centre because Schroeder shed the peripheral-player label and will be more effective if he attacks and doesn’t wait for Grade A chances or open nets. The attitude adjustment turned around a slow start in which Schroeder had just five goals in his first 24 games last season.

“I learned the small things about being a pro and what it takes every single night,” said Schroeder. “Coach MacTavish really helped me being responsible on the defensive side and from there the offence kind of came. I was a plus-10, but one area was shooting the puck more and I had almost 100 more shots than I did a year ago. I feel like I could have been close to 30 goals with the opportunities I had.

“I’m really trying to improve on burying the puck. You’ve got to work to get in front of the net and get some tips and some dirty goals. The skilled plays are going to come when they’re there. Everybody is so good at the next level that the small details stand out.”

Standing out is harder when you’re 5-foot-8. However, Schroeder doesn’t have to look far for inspiration in Minnesota native and close friend Zach Parise. He played just 13 games two seasons ago after being sidelined by knee surgery and then responded with a 31-goal season that earned a free-agent windfall, a 13-year, $98 million deal from the Wild. Parise is 5-foot-11 and 185 pounds but plays much bigger and tougher.

“I’ve got to use my speed to create offence,” said Schroeder. “And use my smarts. I’m not going out-physical anyone, but I’m pretty strong on my skates and I can handle myself in the corners. I don’t want to get tied up. I want to be free and loose and move out there as much as possible.”


Edited by Schroeder's Too Short, 26 September 2012 - 07:11 PM.

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Posted 30 September 2012 - 05:05 AM

I think as long as he's not paired with smallish/soft wingers he should be fine in the NHL

I'd have loved to see this

Sedin Sedin Burrows
Higgins Kesler Hansen
Booth Schroeder Kassian
Lapierre Malholtra Raymond/Pinozotto

IMO Booth would benefit more from a playmaking centre.


Those are terrific lines, but would rather see this

Sedin Sedin Kassian (He can use his size, speed to open space, protects the puck well/cycles well and has hands. Also just a reminder to the Keith's of the NHL)
Higgins Kesler Burrows (let burrows be the playmaker on this line, he has spent so much time with hank and dank that he's learning to be a pretty good playmaker, lose a bit of chemistry on the first line but also put Kassian in the role he needs to learn to assume, that of the leader, and who better to learn from).
Booth Schroeder Hansen
Lappy Manny Pinz

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Posted 30 September 2012 - 09:10 PM

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Posted 30 September 2012 - 10:25 PM

Yea, lets pass up on a potential Cammalleri type player, because we have a couple smaller players on our team. Genious.

Centers with Schroeder's hockey IQ and passing ability don't come around all the time. What he lacks in size and strength, he makes up for in speed and awareness. He has an amazing wrist shot, can run a powerplay, and can even pk now.

The Canucks would be dumb to not at least see what this guy can bring at the NHL level. At the very least they should be trying to turn him into an asset we can trade for value.


In an imaginary NHL, or even an AHL, where this guy has done something noteworthy, in a land far far away... or, I have a dream.

Waive your pom poms all you want, guys, giver er, but admit that he is nothing more than your combined well wishing. Admit that this guy doesnt make the team better and that it is very possible, if not very likely, that he makes the 3rd line a liability at center in the playoffs.

What business does this skill set have playing that role in the NHL on a team set to push for the cup? Exactly not the right guy for the job, however you may disagree. Wellwood 2.0 anyone? Now there was a miserable experience and a lesson in the underdog fanfare. Possibly the worst checking line C in the history of the NHL.

Sure, maybe in a few years between Jensen and Kassian, bla bla bla, where the elves run free with the dreams of hockey fans, there is a place for him on a Canuck roster. As for now, absolutely not if this is a cup team.

Forgive my lack of desire to debate this. It is what it is no matter how hard you waive those pom poms. I will waive them for him, as an AHLer, but not on this years roster, that may have to get through Chara to hold up the cup. There are better options out there, at least admit that before you guys mention St Loius and the rest of the little train that could crap. How very unlikely.

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Posted 30 September 2012 - 10:39 PM

For the record, Wellwood never checked the opponent's best lines. That was Kesler who took that role, who is most effective when he's relied on to shut guys down, not offense-first. And I don't think AV is going to match Schroeder - a rookie - up against the other team's top line. So the number 3 really means nothing.
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Posted 01 October 2012 - 09:43 AM

For the record, Wellwood never checked the opponent's best lines. That was Kesler who took that role, who is most effective when he's relied on to shut guys down, not offense-first. And I don't think AV is going to match Schroeder - a rookie - up against the other team's top line. So the number 3 really means nothing.


so, this revelation of yours equates to something good for the roster? That a wasted, critical roster spot is, is good gawd man... why... and Id so rather not have a limping Kesler in May, for a change.

Playing Kesler against Getzlaf and Koivu seems like a heck plan. Lets hope he spends most of his time blocking shots and "checking". Brilliant. Of course, this would be your solution as you're seemingly well aware that it would be unwise to do this with the actual 3rd line pivot, Schrod.

Keep in mind that there are options to smallish, softish, inexperienced, kinda-skilled centers to fill the gutsy third line C. They're out there!

While this team is cresting it is important to secure the best role players possible and not repeat history making the same mistakes at center.

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 09:58 AM

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 01:56 PM

so, this revelation of yours equates to something good for the roster? That a wasted, critical roster spot is, is good gawd man... why... and Id so rather not have a limping Kesler in May, for a change.

Playing Kesler against Getzlaf and Koivu seems like a heck plan. Lets hope he spends most of his time blocking shots and "checking". Brilliant. Of course, this would be your solution as you're seemingly well aware that it would be unwise to do this with the actual 3rd line pivot, Schrod.

Keep in mind that there are options to smallish, softish, inexperienced, kinda-skilled centers to fill the gutsy third line C. They're out there!

While this team is cresting it is important to secure the best role players possible and not repeat history making the same mistakes at center.


Kesler had no issue in that shutdown role before, and he was tied for 10th among centers in even strength points. For just a "checking" centre, that's elite production. He put up 75 points overall to boot. Why wouldn't you use him in the role he's best suited for? Once his hip is all healed up, there's no reason to expect him to be limping by May every year.
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Posted 01 October 2012 - 02:04 PM

He should be able to dominate in the AHL this year.
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Posted 01 October 2012 - 04:45 PM

RNH should dominate the AHL this year. Schroeder should excel.
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Posted 02 October 2012 - 12:28 AM

^ Still hoping for the former though!
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Posted 21 October 2012 - 05:41 PM

I think schroeder played good last night but he is not the best playing d on the power play. he is good in the offensive zone but not defensively
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Posted 21 October 2012 - 10:11 PM

Schroeder is typically a slow starter.

He should shine under Arniel though. I'm not too worried.

Look for him to bounce back strong next weekend.
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Posted 23 October 2012 - 11:18 AM

I think as long as he's not paired with smallish/soft wingers he should be fine in the NHL

I'd have loved to see this

Sedin Sedin Burrows
Higgins Kesler Hansen
Booth Schroeder Kassian
Lapierre Malholtra Raymond/Pinozotto

IMO Booth would benefit more from a playmaking centre.


I agree with your statement but I'm just not as optimistic as you that he can play at the NHL level. Hopefully I'm proven wrong.
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Posted 23 October 2012 - 04:24 PM

would be very nice if he become our version of Clauide Giroux......
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Posted 23 October 2012 - 07:02 PM

would be very nice if he become our version of Clauide Giroux......


No chance. He will be very lucky if he becomes an NHL regular. After watching both games over the weekend, he barely looked liked he belonged in the AHL. His speed is average but his hands are decent. Going into his third season, he should be showing signs that he's ready to make the jump, however, it seems he's just spinning his wheels and not monving forward in his development. He could of had an assist on Rodins goal that was called back though. I hope he turns it around.
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Posted 23 October 2012 - 07:20 PM

Schroeder seems to have slow starts. Last year, MacT went to him as his go to guy in a place (CHI) where they want to win/compete now.

Dont forget last years stretch drive when Schroeder hit 20 mins in all situations.

The frigging microscope is focused so much especially now with the lockout. He's not minus player. Aint to 8-5 games like the ones CoHo is racking up assists in thatnks to the AHL goal leader Foligno.
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Posted 23 October 2012 - 08:43 PM

Did Schroeder actually play that bad during these 5 games? As far as the first 3 games, I've heard nothing but good things about him.

I watched games 4 and 5 and he did seem noticable, just not hitting the scoresheet.
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