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#2581 avelanch

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Posted 23 October 2012 - 09:33 PM

Did Schroeder actually play that bad during these 5 games? As far as the first 3 games, I've heard nothing but good things about him.

I watched games 4 and 5 and he did seem noticable, just not hitting the scoresheet.

no, people just wanted to see him score/hit the scoresheet. Jordan was all over the ice and created opportunities, he was just overshadowed by Kass's 2 goals and fights.
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Posted 23 October 2012 - 09:52 PM

I was a little disappointed in Schroeder's game.

Sure he was noticeable and was using his speed. But he wasn't using it in an effective way. Too much Raymond style, going to the outside and circling the perimeter.

He's gotta learn, that for a player his size, the last thing he wants to do is get in puck battles. Stay AWAY from the boards. He's gonna be most effective driving up the middle full speed and forcing defenders back. Then he's gotta use his agility to get into areas that he can get the puck on the net, or set up one of his teammates.

If he thinks he's gonna win battles along the boards, he's not gonna be very successful in the NHL.
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Posted 23 October 2012 - 10:46 PM

I was a little disappointed in Schroeder's game.

Sure he was noticeable and was using his speed. But he wasn't using it in an effective way. Too much Raymond style, going to the outside and circling the perimeter.

He's gotta learn, that for a player his size, the last thing he wants to do is get in puck battles. Stay AWAY from the boards. He's gonna be most effective driving up the middle full speed and forcing defenders back. Then he's gotta use his agility to get into areas that he can get the puck on the net, or set up one of his teammates.

If he thinks he's gonna win battles along the boards, he's not gonna be very successful in the NHL.


Dude got rocked cutting into the middle vs the Heat so it's no wonder he went all Mason Raymond after that.
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Posted 23 October 2012 - 11:16 PM

Schroeder's going to need to convert to wing at the NHL level. Players like Mallet and Gaunce are always going to be better at handling 3rd/4th line centering roles.

Marchand, Briere, St.Louis, Gionta etc.
All these guys played center earlier in their careers but always end up on the wing in the NHL.

Sedin - Sedin - Burrows
Schroeder - Kesler - Booth
Higgins - Lapierre - Kassian
Raymond - Malhotra - Hansen

He can play on line 2-4 depending on situation. Center the 2nd PP like Hodgson did last season.
But he won't have the pressure of shutting down the other teams offense when he's on wing.

That's a dangerous line up, tons of speed and you have numerous of options. All 4 lines of wingers are interchangeable and can play anywhere in the line-up.
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Posted 24 October 2012 - 12:09 AM

Dude got rocked cutting into the middle vs the Heat so it's no wonder he went all Mason Raymond after that.


He obviously wasn't agile enough then...

Schroeder's got some moves, but he needs the confidence to use them more. He's a more skilled played than just playing straight line hockey, but he needs to start showing it.
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Posted 24 October 2012 - 06:43 AM

Schroeder threw a number of hits in the first game too; one of particular note, early in the 1st game, by the box, knocked the kid down.
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Posted 24 October 2012 - 12:13 PM

sad thing is if rodin's goal wasnt disallowed everyone would be saying what a great pass it was and what a great game he played. its 5 games in a lot of players have struggled out of the gate hold the firing squad.
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Posted 24 October 2012 - 12:30 PM

sad thing is if rodin's goal wasnt disallowed everyone would be saying what a great pass it was and what a great game he played. its 5 games in a lot of players have struggled out of the gate hold the firing squad.


I wouldn't even say he's really struggled. The points just haven't come. He's been playing a pretty solid game throughout the time that I've watched. It's really unfair to him to judge based solely on the score sheet.
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Posted 24 October 2012 - 02:50 PM

can anyone confirm how much ice time he's been getting these last 5 games? Last year when he was playing 20-22 minutes/game, he was prob one of the wolves best players.

Nonetheless, smaller players always take time to develop.
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Posted 24 October 2012 - 04:23 PM

I think Jordon is a top 6 playmaker or bust. He has the speed and skill, but needs to have wingers that can score. I really can't see him on the bottom 6. Just too small.

Let's give him some time. He's still pretty young.
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Posted 24 October 2012 - 08:40 PM

I'd just like to point out Chris Kreider hasn't scored either so far this season.
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Posted 24 October 2012 - 10:28 PM

Schroeder's going to need to convert to wing at the NHL level. Players like Mallet and Gaunce are always going to be better at handling 3rd/4th line centering roles.

Marchand, Briere, St.Louis, Gionta etc.
All these guys played center earlier in their careers but always end up on the wing in the NHL.

Sedin - Sedin - Burrows
Schroeder - Kesler - Booth
Higgins - Lapierre - Kassian
Raymond - Malhotra - Hansen

He can play on line 2-4 depending on situation. Center the 2nd PP like Hodgson did last season.
But he won't have the pressure of shutting down the other teams offense when he's on wing.

That's a dangerous line up, tons of speed and you have numerous of options. All 4 lines of wingers are interchangeable and can play anywhere in the line-up.

Exactly. That is a prototypical AV team. Speed on the wing and size down the middle. That's why he had so much trouble with Hodgson, who is soft.

People get too caught up in these wonder-kids like Jeff Skinner who seamlessly step into the NHL and produce at a young age. Every player develops at different rates. Like you mentioned most smaller players took longer to develop and all shifted from center to the wing.

Pat Kane was a center and shifted to wing in favor of the "Bull" Jonathan Toews.
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Posted 25 October 2012 - 11:25 AM

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Posted 25 October 2012 - 12:07 PM

He'd be a way better winger, they should try and start converting him now, even though he plays better at center.
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Posted 25 October 2012 - 12:24 PM

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You know what would help Schroeder's game? Longer arms and legs!

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Posted 25 October 2012 - 12:55 PM

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 11:14 AM

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 04:13 PM

Reminds me of:

You know what would help Schroeder's game? Longer arms and legs!


Screw that! Breathing fire and teleporting would be more effective, lol.
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Posted 31 October 2012 - 11:08 AM

I have not been watching.
How is he playing?
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Posted 31 October 2012 - 12:36 PM

I have not been watching.
How is he playing?


Not good enough to fill in for our 2nd line center.
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Posted 31 October 2012 - 03:07 PM

Not good enough to fill in for our 2nd line center.


Not many youngsters out there who just turned 22 to be able to fill in for Ryan Kesler. Without Ryan, we instantly become a bubble playoff team that relies on the Sedins and goaltending. With Ryan, we're a Stanley Cup contender.

Schroeder IMO is good enough to fill in as a 2nd line center with similar minutes Hodgson was given last year. He's no Ryan Kesler, but he's good enough to fill the spot temporarily. We won't be a contending team anymore, but that shows us the value of Ryan Kesler rather than the knock on Jordan Schroeder...
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Posted 31 October 2012 - 06:33 PM

I'm not 100% sure he's ready for the NHL quite yet, but he has been a very key player for the wolves thus far.

In the games I've watched, he's been solid in his own end, and generating chances at the other end.
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Posted 31 October 2012 - 07:13 PM

I don't think Schroeder is ready yet, but I do think he will be in the NHL at some point as an impact player.

Often smaller players just need more time to develop. Guys like Desharnais and St. Louis were almost 24/25 until they really broke out in the NHL. I'd still hold judgement on him. He has the skill and speed. He just has to figure out how to put it together effectively at the pro level.
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Posted 31 October 2012 - 07:57 PM

I'm surprised he isn't putting up numbers in the AHL.
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Posted 01 November 2012 - 02:48 AM

I'm surprised he isn't putting up numbers in the AHL.


Yea that's what concerns me as well. His stats have been going up sure, but they are still no where near what smaller guys like St. Louis, Briere, and Marchand were putting up at the same age. They were all at least 1 PPG in the AHL right away, and were close to 2 PPG when they broke into the NHL.

I'm sorry, but I don't think he has what it takes. I think his ceiling is a top 6 forward in the AHL, most likely a 2nd line Center since he doesn't have the size to match up with other teams 1st line C's.
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Posted 01 November 2012 - 01:52 PM

Yea that's what concerns me as well. His stats have been going up sure, but they are still no where near what smaller guys like St. Louis, Briere, and Marchand were putting up at the same age. They were all at least 1 PPG in the AHL right away, and were close to 2 PPG when they broke into the NHL.

I'm sorry, but I don't think he has what it takes. I think his ceiling is a top 6 forward in the AHL, most likely a 2nd line Center since he doesn't have the size to match up with other teams 1st line C's.


I agree, he looked good in his first stint with the Moose but his offensive game is not developing very well. He's better defensively but he's way too small to be a defensive minded center in the NHL.

He could be one of those players who excel in the NHL but not the AHL, but with his size, I don't really see it.

Next few years will make or break him.

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 02:31 PM

I don't think Schroeder is ready yet, but I do think he will be in the NHL at some point as an impact player.

Often smaller players just need more time to develop. Guys like Desharnais and St. Louis were almost 24/25 until they really broke out in the NHL. I'd still hold judgement on him. He has the skill and speed. He just has to figure out how to put it together effectively at the pro level.


Both Desharnais and St. Louis were ripping up the AHL. They both probably would have been in the NHL quickly if it weren't for other circumstances.

For St. Louis, there was the pre-lockout questions about effectiveness of small players (despite Fleury, Ronning, etc.). So he had to prove himself to a higher degree in the A before getting a real shot. And for Desharnais, it had more to do with the fact that the Habs were already heavily criticized for being too small. Adding another guy, who was smaller than the rest, just didn't sit well at first. Fortunately, he performed admirably, and everyone forgot about it.

Nothing Schroeder has done has made me confident he'll be as effective of a player as Desharnais - or even in the same league as St. Louis. I'd peg him as a potentially effective 3rd liner, or average/fringe 2nd liner.

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 02:33 PM

Early in the season yet and maybe he is working hard on the defensive part of his game. You dont play in the Canucks system without some kind of defensive zone smarts especially with Vignault behind the bench. People forget that Kesler is a shutdown center first that happened to find a nice scoring touch with more time played.
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Posted 02 November 2012 - 08:48 AM

Early in the season yet and maybe he is working hard on the defensive part of his game. You dont play in the Canucks system without some kind of defensive zone smarts especially with Vignault behind the bench. People forget that Kesler is a shutdown center first that happened to find a nice scoring touch with more time played.

I agree with this.
Ive been posting in this topic mainly about how I dont see this kid making the the Canucks a better team. Thats not to say that I dont want him to turn into Dionne or something though.

One thing I wanted to add here is that would you guys please get off of the St. Louis and other mighty men age comparison?! You guys keep making the comparison to other runts... who became all stars and such while most runts are duds like we've seen here in Ried, Karia... For every runt who makes it there are 10 that dont. I dont share the hope, I guess.

Giving this guy time to make it is fine, as long as he has a grind game to match his skill game because AV has no room for passengers. I hear how he is improving defensively, great, they all do. If hes playing up here he will be hitting, blocking shots and closing lanes, not suiting up ahead of our depth for the gravy.

I hope he makes it big time, but my guess is that he is not an impact player, not even on a weak team. I havent been watching this year, maybe he is becoming more dynamic and impacting the game, maybe. Sounds like more of the same old though. You tell me.
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Posted 02 November 2012 - 08:53 AM

For St. Louis, there was the pre-lockout questions about effectiveness of small players (despite Fleury, Ronning, etc.). So he had to prove himself to a higher degree in the A before getting a real shot.

In Calgary, St Louis was no threat. He shocked the NHL afterwards. Nobody saw that coming. He is completely uncompareable to our small man as an AHLer and prospect.
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