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Posted 05 January 2013 - 05:56 AM

"I really hope we don't give up on him, he has so much skill and untapped potential."

Honestly you should listen to half you guys. Finding every excuse around for a player who is heading to be a an AHL player at best if he doesn't give himself a shake.


How is that making an excuse? He is saying we should be patient with him, since some prospects develop at there own rate and still become good NHLer's, he's preaching patience, and that's what we should have with this kid. Something alot of Canuck fans dont have, and I would put you in that majority judging by these comments.

Please, no more excuses for Schroeder. He is no Hodgson. Furthermore I would say Hodgson played to his strengths to limit his obvious weaknesses, such as lack of pace and average defence.


Here's the issue I see with this statement, the AHL is a developmental league, it is about working on your weakness just as much as it is your strenghts, if JS never worked on his weakness and only played to his strengths all the time he would get exploited big time at the next level.

You have to develop both evenly with Schroeder is doing, offense isn't a concern for him, he could step into the NHL right now and his offensive ability would be good enough to compete in that league, but if he doesn't work on his weakness's he won't be able to have to all round game to support the opportunities to use his strengths.

He is actually better than Hodgson in alot of aspects, skating he is way better, he is better defensively, he is brings more to the table on a shift to shift basis, and can create things in more than one zone, Cody is great in the offensive zone, but he isn't the kind of player that can take the puck end to end like Schroeder can, Cody is better in controlled situations, he is outstanding in them, but he doesn't have the game breaking ability on a shift to shift basis that Schroeder does.

Schroeder has the ability to be a far better player but I don't think there is any spark there. He's small so he should be "putting himself about" far more. He needs to let opposition players know he is there by using his speed and low centre of gravity. He also needs to shoot far more and be defensively more responsible.

He can't expect the Canucks to "carry him" if indeed he gets a shot in Vancouver. He will still lose out to Ebbett the way he is playing at present.............and I would have no complaints if he did.

I would like to see him with some better line mates and if he can't elevate his game I'm afraid he is going to be no good to us.


He has actually been playing well lately by all accounts, 6 points in 9 games and has looked dangerous offensively (like he always does).

As for your concerns I agree he needs to shoot more, his shot is a lethal weapon (His wrist shot atleast) but he is a "pass-first" guy so you have to keep that in mind, in the NHL I doubt he will look to pass when he has good chances honeslty, so I'm not too worried about it.

As for him needing to put himself out more, I think he does, he speeds around all the time, backchecks hard and shown he can be good on the breakout, whether it is taking the puck around guys and getting it in or making a smart pass, he is very elusive and for his size has alot of strength and is very strong on his skates IMO.

I think you just need to learn to be more patient with him, he is already earned a shot, we just have to wait for this damn work stoppage to end and see what he can do, If he stick I say he can put up 20 goals with a full season, but that's me.

And no he won't lose out to Ebbett, he has been better than Ebbett this year.
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Posted 05 January 2013 - 06:02 AM

are you serious? do you watch wolves games or just check stats every month? if you really paved attention you would be a little more concerned about knaut over schroeder. and besides hodgson was picked 10th overall schroeder was picked 22nd overall a season later. your 60 years old bro grow up and learn to be patient.


Can't believe people still doubt this guys just cause he is small.

There was a down year where everyone's hopes kinda dropped but after following the Wolves alot more closely this year my hopes have risen again, I see this guy as a 50-60 point capable guy maybe more, with 25+ goal potential.

Game breaking offensive ability is what I get back to, aslong as he works on his defensive game and brings it to a level where he isn't a liability at the nhl level (which he is already at or close to IMO) he will be fine, cause once he is in the show he will be here for his offensive ability, and he will be put in a chance to succeed offensively, then we will see what he can do, just needs to bring everything else up to standards first and I think he has.
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Posted 05 January 2013 - 06:07 AM

Can't believe people still doubt this guys just cause he is small.

There was a down year where everyone's hopes kinda dropped but after following the Wolves alot more closely this year my hopes have risen again, I see this guy as a 50-60 point capable guy maybe more, with 25+ goal potential.

Game breaking offensive ability is what I get back to, aslong as he works on his defensive game and brings it to a level where he isn't a liability at the nhl level (which he is already at or close to IMO) he will be fine, cause once he is in the show he will be here for his offensive ability, and he will be put in a chance to succeed offensively, then we will see what he can do, just needs to bring everything else up to standards first and I think he has.

a couple games ago arneil had js starting on the third line. think about who he's playing with. do you think js would have a better chance scoring in the ahl with 2 ahl plugs on the third line or would he.have a better chance putting up numbers centering hansen and higgins or hansen and Raymond. what I'm trying to get at is canucks 3rd Line in nhl > wolves third line ahl
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Posted 05 January 2013 - 06:31 AM

a couple games ago arneil had js starting on the third line. think about who he's playing with. do you think js would have a better chance scoring in the ahl with 2 ahl plugs on the third line or would he.have a better chance putting up numbers centering hansen and higgins or hansen and Raymond. what I'm trying to get at is canucks 3rd Line in nhl > wolves third line ahl


Yeah I know, I'm not really sure what Arniel is doing, I think the sooner we fire him the sooner the team will play better, in turn the more production our prospects will get.
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Posted 05 January 2013 - 10:05 AM

like I said with Hodgson- I would put schroeder on the second line between booth and kesler and let him feed passes all day. with kesler on the ice, i would not be so worried about a defensive matchup. Gillis and Veigneault cried about how Hodgson was a defensive liability, I don't get that- look at teams like Philly-put couturier up against crosby last year, had schenn playing big minutes in the playoffs- what do we do- we trade away our only good young player before the playoffs because we are falsely concerned he'll get eaten alive.

Gillis' first year here was great and then he started to make really poor decisions- him and veignealt need to give young guys a chance-Jensen, Kassian, Schroeder need a chance- they wont be perfect everygame but how else will you develop your young players?
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Posted 05 January 2013 - 12:49 PM

are you serious? do you watch wolves games or just check stats every month? if you really paved attention you would be a little more concerned about knaut over schroeder. and besides hodgson was picked 10th overall schroeder was picked 22nd overall a season later. your 60 years old bro grow up and learn to be patient.


Thanks for the age chip bud but there is nothing wrong with my patience or judgement and yes we get every Chicago match over here on ESPN America.

So now that we have settled your bias and your confusion let me repeat, Schroeder lacks a spark and at his size he is going nowhere unless he picks up the pace.
As for Conn I've already said in other posts that he will struggle and needs to up his physical game, his defence and his intensity.

By the way your point about drafting might have had some relevance if there was 40 or 50 places between them but come on 10th and 20th.........are you serious?

The Canucks fans (of which I am one) are in for a lean future if we have to rely on the prospects we have at present.
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Posted 05 January 2013 - 01:23 PM

like I said with Hodgson- I would put schroeder on the second line between booth and kesler and let him feed passes all day. with kesler on the ice, i would not be so worried about a defensive matchup. Gillis and Veigneault cried about how Hodgson was a defensive liability, I don't get that- look at teams like Philly-put couturier up against crosby last year, had schenn playing big minutes in the playoffs- what do we do- we trade away our only good young player before the playoffs because we are falsely concerned he'll get eaten alive.

Gillis' first year here was great and then he started to make really poor decisions- him and veignealt need to give young guys a chance-Jensen, Kassian, Schroeder need a chance- they wont be perfect everygame but how else will you develop your young players?

Philadelphia was one of the worst defensive teams I've seen in years, until I watched pittsburgh play them. But still they lost 9-8 to the Winnepeg Jets and 10-3 to the Penguins in the playoffs.They paid the ultimate price against New Jersey, getting handled.
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Posted 05 January 2013 - 03:12 PM

Vigneault needs to put more faith in his younger players, it's that simple. It's hard to watch Gillis put big resources into developing young players and then Vigneault giving them limited such roles.
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Posted 05 January 2013 - 05:18 PM

Vigneault needs to put more faith in his younger players, it's that simple. It's hard to watch Gillis put big resources into developing young players and then Vigneault giving them limited such roles.


Well it's up to Gillis to call these young players up from the farm, which he hasn't been doing.

I would say AV has given the young players a pretty fair shot when they earn it. Grabner was given quite a few chances in the top 6, Hodgson was given PP time and at point was right in the mix for the Calder. And then there's Tanev, who was used regularly, and earned a spot on the bottom pairing. Kassian is still a work in progress, but he's still only 21.

The only player I don't think AV realy gave a fair chance to was Shirokov. I thought he deserved a little bit more of a chance to see what he could do. Oh well, not every player is always gonna be given a fair shot.

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 05:26 PM

Thanks for the age chip bud but there is nothing wrong with my patience or judgement and yes we get every Chicago match over here on ESPN America.

So now that we have settled your bias and your confusion let me repeat, Schroeder lacks a spark and at his size he is going nowhere unless he picks up the pace.
As for Conn I've already said in other posts that he will struggle and needs to up his physical game, his defence and his intensity.

By the way your point about drafting might have had some relevance if there was 40 or 50 places between them but come on 10th and 20th.........are you serious?

The Canucks fans (of which I am one) are in for a lean future if we have to rely on the prospects we have at present.


I honestly feel like Schroeder gets the short end of the stick when it comes to the line-up.

He plays with Rodin for a handful of games - gets on a point streak, then the lines get shuffled.

Same with him and Sweatt or him and Kassian.

It seems like anytime there is an issue with another line; Schroeders gets adjusted as well.
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 12:21 AM

I honestly feel like Schroeder gets the short end of the stick when it comes to the line-up.

He plays with Rodin for a handful of games - gets on a point streak, then the lines get shuffled.

Same with him and Sweatt or him and Kassian.

It seems like anytime there is an issue with another line; Schroeders gets adjusted as well.


Arneil just doesn't seem to get the concept of "linemates". He shuffles everyone, and everyone is worse off because of it. Then in the last few games he's stopped screwing with the lines, they're getting some chemistry going and are playing with a lot more heart. Schroeder and Kassian have both suffered horribly from this and their production correlates with the stability of their lines. Even Ebbett is showing far more confidence now. If Arniel was the Canucks' head coach he would never play the Sedins on the same line. Guy is an idiot and it's painful to watch.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 12:51 PM

like I said with Hodgson- I would put schroeder on the second line between booth and kesler and let him feed passes all day. with kesler on the ice, i would not be so worried about a defensive matchup. Gillis and Veigneault cried about how Hodgson was a defensive liability, I don't get that- look at teams like Philly-put couturier up against crosby last year, had schenn playing big minutes in the playoffs- what do we do- we trade away our only good young player before the playoffs because we are falsely concerned he'll get eaten alive.

Gillis' first year here was great and then he started to make really poor decisions- him and veignealt need to give young guys a chance-Jensen, Kassian, Schroeder need a chance- they wont be perfect everygame but how else will you develop your young players?


Please do not go there ever again...

Sean Couturier is an absolute beast on defense. His role in the playoffs last year was to shut down Evgeni Malkin, and he did an effective job. Cody would have gotten manhandled.

As for Schenn, he played big minutes because he is better than Hodgson offensively. 9 points in 11 playoff games last year says the coach was right in playing him that much.
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 06:59 PM

Please do not go there ever again...

Sean Couturier is an absolute beast on defense. His role in the playoffs last year was to shut down Evgeni Malkin, and he did an effective job. Cody would have gotten manhandled.

As for Schenn, he played big minutes because he is better than Hodgson offensively. 9 points in 11 playoff games last year says the coach was right in playing him that much.


yup there was one game against chicago last year that cody got a few shifts against chicago's topline and they got totally dominated AV would have had a hissy fit if he had to play hodgson in the playoffs against other teams top 2 lines.
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 07:36 PM

yup there was one game against chicago last year that cody got a few shifts against chicago's topline and they got totally dominated AV would have had a hissy fit if he had to play hodgson in the playoffs against other teams top 2 lines.


Any coach would.
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 07:38 PM

Any coach would.

could you imagine cody on the ice with kane toews hossa seabrook and keith lol
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 07:47 PM

^^^ Yup, and to be honest, I am not comfortable with the idea of having Jordan out there against a line like that either. Although, I think Jordan has the speed to at least keep up with them in terms of skating and being in position or get back to position if he's caught cheating - but you're just not gonna see Jordan defend Thornton, Backes, Getzlaf, Toews, etc because size does matter. He will have to overcome it by anticipating the game better than anybody he's defending to be ahead in position, which will be tough.

So I'm not just ripping on Cody. I wouldn't want Jordan out there against big lines either at this point.
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 07:57 PM

Arneil just doesn't seem to get the concept of "linemates". He shuffles everyone, and everyone is worse off because of it. Then in the last few games he's stopped screwing with the lines, they're getting some chemistry going and are playing with a lot more heart. Schroeder and Kassian have both suffered horribly from this and their production correlates with the stability of their lines. Even Ebbett is showing far more confidence now. If Arniel was the Canucks' head coach he would never play the Sedins on the same line. Guy is an idiot and it's painful to watch.


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Posted 09 January 2013 - 04:33 PM

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Schroeder on possibly playing his first regular-season game for Canucks: "It's my sense for the game. Knowing what to do with the puck ...
... and what to do without the puck and not getting myself in trouble. That's what it takes to play up here, an all-round game."
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Posted 09 January 2013 - 04:44 PM

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Schroeder on possibly playing his first regular-season game for Canucks: "It's my sense for the game. Knowing what to do with the puck ...
... and what to do without the puck and not getting myself in trouble. That's what it takes to play up here, an all-round game."

I hope AV can find it in his heart to give Schroeder just one game on the 2nd line before sending him to Chi. I think if you give him the 2nd line duties and show confidence in him, he'll perform well. But AV will bench him with one mistake, hopefully he wont.
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Posted 09 January 2013 - 05:13 PM

I hope AV can find it in his heart to give Schroeder just one game on the 2nd line before sending him to Chi. I think if you give him the 2nd line duties and show confidence in him, he'll perform well. But AV will bench him with one mistake, hopefully he wont.


I have always felt that Schroeder has to play with good players.

Put him with Booth and Higgins, and they will make plays happen.
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Posted 09 January 2013 - 05:21 PM

I have always felt that Schroeder has to play with good players.

Put him with Booth and Higgins, and they will make plays happen.

Definitely, even with Hansen and Raymond.
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Posted 09 January 2013 - 05:52 PM

^^^^

That would be a crazy fast third line with a lot of offensive upside once Kesler gets back. I'd give it a try and see if they can manage to do something despite being crazy small.
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Posted 09 January 2013 - 06:22 PM

I almost want the nucks not to do good so we can finally get rid of AV...
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Posted 09 January 2013 - 06:55 PM

If AV puts Lapierre on the 2nd line without even giving JS a shot... :picard:
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Posted 09 January 2013 - 07:01 PM

If AV puts Lapierre on the 2nd line without even giving JS a shot... :picard:


That's what I'm afraid of, if he does that though, it better be because Schroeders playing on the third line.
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Posted 09 January 2013 - 07:06 PM

Arneil just doesn't seem to get the concept of "linemates".


I don't think he gets the concept of coaching let alone linemates & chemistry.
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Posted 09 January 2013 - 07:09 PM

I almost want the nucks not to do good so we can finally get rid of AV...


I said this before at the end of last year when the King dominated us and AV was once again a statue on the bench and did nothing.

and got flamed, some agreed but the majority did, glad other's are seeing this now too, although at this point I just want to win, if AV costs us in the playoffs no chance he is back, this could be our best chance at the cup with the extra gas we will have in tank for the playoffs (Maybe besides 2011)
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Posted 09 January 2013 - 07:33 PM

I almost want the nucks not to do good so we can finally get rid of AV...


We won't fire AV during a 48-game season.

Too much is at risk. You can't implement a new system of a new coach in halfway into a 48-game season because you can't afford to have an adjustment period.

You just hope and pray that the players come through and play the current system until they start winning again.

During the summer? Maybe. But us doing bad also implies our goaltending was suspect and/or we weren't scoring enough goals. That's bad on Schneider, and bad on our forwards.

Definitely don't want that.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 07:54 PM

AV would have had a hissy fit if he had to play hodgson in the playoffs against other teams top 2 lines.Stexx
Any coach would. Dasein

Ruff said the Sabres are set with Ennis and Hodgson as their top two centers.

After that, the mix of centers will include Ott, Leino, Grigorenko and Matt Ellis.
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Posted 09 January 2013 - 08:20 PM

AV would have had a hissy fit if he had to play hodgson in the playoffs against other teams top 2 lines.Stexx
Any coach would. Dasein

Ruff said the Sabres are set with Ennis and Hodgson as their top two centers.

After that, the mix of centers will include Ott, Leino, Grigorenko and Matt Ellis.
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Ruff didn't make the playoffs last year and he's not going to make the playoffs this year.

So moot point.
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